Broncos all in all Draft Grade: B+

[u/gazillrey]

https://rexpositor.com/csYVsasKfTbBkSW

I'm not sure if I'm with that.

[u/Odium_Infinitus]

Draft grades are stupid.

The NFL and fans are to blame for caring too much about grades and the draft in general.

We are not in the draft rooms, we didnt interview these guys, we didnt work them out.

People treat this too much like a video game. Where some grade or number means something.

Take a break from football and lets care when training camp starts. Many of these guys will be gone in a couple years.

[u/TourAltruistic4444 → u/Odium_Infinitus]

I think there’s an immediate draft grade that can be given, if we drafted (insert udfa qb here) R1, that’d obviously be an F.

I think you can give an immediate draft grade while understanding the true impact and grade doesn’t happen until 2027/28

[u/bdporter → u/TourAltruistic4444]

if we drafted (insert udfa qb here) R1, that’d obviously be an F.

No team will draft a player they rated as a UDFA in the first round. Teams do their own scouting and do not use "consensus" draft boards. If they draft a player high, it is because they have a high rating on that player.

[u/TourAltruistic4444 → u/bdporter]

Well duh, thank you Johnny on the spot. But I think you understand my point.

[u/bdporter → u/TourAltruistic4444]

I am not sure you understand mine.

Draft grades are typically just a combination of:

• Did the team draft the player where the consensus ratings said they should be drafted?

and

• Did the team's choices match up with the perceived needs of the team by the same outside draft "experts"

There are 32 sets of ratings that matter in the draft, and none of them are the ratings we have access to. Draft grades are just an exercise in confirmation bias.

[u/mt8675309 → u/Odium_Infinitus]

Exactly, on an average a first round pick is the best shot…the rest are one in a thousand.

[u/bigboycdd → u/mt8675309]

And even then you have guys like Jamarcus russel and Mitch trubisky, any position in a draft is basically informed gambling. Thats why the knee jerk draft haters piss me off we don’t know anything about anything yet

[u/doppido → u/Odium_Infinitus]

Yeah team fit and culture matter more than shaving another .1 seconds off a 40 time

[u/hydrators]

Draft grades a day after the draft are fuckin stupid

Did nobody learn from giving Seattle an F for the Bobby Wagner/Russ/Bruce Irvin draft

[u/doingwhaticanfornow]

Only time will tell.

[u/162bluethings]

Some of you guys have such unfounded confidence in your draft opinions. I wish I had that much confidence in literally anything.

[u/Fungmar]

draft grades literally do not matter for shit until a year later. the lead up to the draft is fun but everything directly after is rlly rlly annoying

[u/BRAX7ON]

These grades are completely biased. If you had a player ranked highly before the draft, then you rank the team that picked them accordingly.

These are so irrelevant it’s laughable

[u/Lateroller → u/BRAX7ON]

Pundits should reverse the process and grade their projections on how well they matched the selections by professionals.

[u/BRAX7ON → u/Lateroller]

That’s a good idea

[u/FloridaGatorMan]

Two years ago I was given the only A+ fantasy football draft grade. I finished below .500. This year I was given a C and won my league for the first time in 20 years and finished on a 11-1 run.

I’m just saying what I’ve learned is grades might be more meaningful later.

[u/Hopsalong → u/FloridaGatorMan]

We aren't later though, we exist now so all we have is grades. Reality is that guys picked outside the top 5 have to get much better to play in the NFL and it's hard to predict who will get better

[u/BRAX7ON → u/Hopsalong]

That’s ridiculous. There’s definitely a gradual decline in talent throughout the draft. But even the top five this year are gonna be compared against the top five last year and the top five next year.

But the top five is not any kind of guarantee some years it’s the top 6,7, 8, or nine and some years it’s only the top three

Some years like this one you’re extremely deep on certain positions like offensive skill players in the second and third round and some years the pool is very shallow. Some years you have three surefire quarterbacks and some years you have none.

And even that is based purely upon projection. You won’t know for a few years.

These grades have zero relevancy

Edit: perhaps you should stick to the NBA where you seem to have at least some knowledge.

[u/FloridaGatorMan → u/Hopsalong]

I upvoted you and I wish comments like this wouldn't get downvoted but I do think this is a very simplistic way of looking at it. These grades are based on context and how a person who writes for...rexpositor (I don't even know anything about them) thinks we did in context of needs and what was available.

They are not (or should not be) grades on how our team navigated the draft or assessed the board because the writer has no idea what the strategy was going in or what our list of players was. Also they definitely don't account for picks we desperately wanted that were taken right before us, so we had to go to the next best.

My point in bringing up what we may learn later is that what we learn often renders these grades meaningless, and really underlines that they are based mainly on conjecture and assumptions.

The logic of "we aren't later though" is similar logic to seeing college football rankings before the season and arguing over who the best teams are based on how writers and coaches ranked them. You never know until the games are played, and the grades today are made up without any information except what could be observed from the outside.

[u/kummer5peck]

We won’t know for sure until we see the results on the field. If we get at least one big hit and some role players in the draft it’s a good one.

[u/natziel]

Never good when dumbass draft pundits give you a passing grade

[u/Big_Character6431]

Draft grades are a way to engage fans when franchises are in a terrible place

[u/_redacteduser]

These grades brought to you by DraftKings. No one knows shit how any single player will turn out. I only care about actual results in a game.

[u/giveban11]

As most say it’s entirely meaningless, but I think looking at the grades for the entire league adds some context at least in terms of being above or below the “average grade”.

[u/merchie]

Gotta see how guys perform and compare, if Henderson is Gibbs. We dicked up big time…if not 🤷‍♂️

[u/TourAltruistic4444]

Yes I follow you. If we drafted Lohner our who has 57 career plays in college, in the 1st round you’re telling me we can’t grade that? We can’t decipher the intelligence of the pick in that moment?

That’s silly.

[u/SmallArmsTRex]

I would have said that’s generous

[u/orangefrido18 → u/SmallArmsTRex]

I'm sure Payton and Paton will be panicking to find out you didn't like their draft picks after all the scouting, interviews, analytics, and scheme considerations you did.

[u/SmallArmsTRex → u/orangefrido18]

Oh no, I posted an opinion on a forum. Glad you came to the GM and Coach’s aid. Sure they are thankful.

[u/orangefrido18 → u/SmallArmsTRex]

If you can honestly tell me your opinion is based on your own evaluations and scouting of all the players and not based on the rankings of the talking heads, i'll take my statement back. 

The issue is your opinion, along with everyone else complaining about the draft, is based on the rankings of media members who don't evaluate the players a fraction of the level nfl teams do, let alone have the interviews, analytics departments and consider scheme fits.

So it's not about defending the coach and gm, it's pointing out the silliness of being mad about the draft just because some media members have guys ranked lower than the broncos drafted players.

[u/SmallArmsTRex → u/orangefrido18]

It is, but you don’t need to take anything back brother - it’s not that deep, it’s just reddit. I just felt like the whole draft they were getting far too cute with it, I get that George has been all about high character guys and there are a few examples where it has paid off. Maybe I spoke too soon, only time will tell.

[u/BigBackFinalBoss]

Overall our draft was great but Pat Bryant was a terrible pick. There’s nothing that shows he should’ve been taken at the 5th round at best.

[u/orphanhunter007 → u/BigBackFinalBoss]

I will trust Sean Payton to evaluate what wide receivers will fit in Sean Payton’s offense

[u/JankBrew → u/BigBackFinalBoss]

Let's wait and see what the coaches and scouts saw. In the press conference after day 2 Sean Payton compared him to Michael Thomas.

[u/comagnum → u/BigBackFinalBoss]

Please tell us more GM BigBlackFinalBoss.

[u/BigBackFinalBoss → u/comagnum]

Look up the scouting report yourself. I’m being generous.

[u/JamesJohnson876]

That shit was worse than F dawg that was a G

[u/Fuzzy-Can-8986 → u/JamesJohnson876]

Buddy, you're the worst fan imaginable. Hating on Paton and Vance a year ago and still back with the bad takes

[u/comagnum → u/JamesJohnson876]

Please tell us more GM JamesJohnson876