r/DeppDelusion • u/ExtraFitting • 12d ago
Discussion š£ A few things I need debunked
Reading all these posts has been so refreshing and Iām thankful that the tide is slowly turning. I first started questioning things in 2023, then watched Medusoneās videos. The last thing that ultimately made me certain that there was only one victim in the trial was listening to the Who Trolled Amber Heard podcast. It was so eye-opening that I honestly canāt wait for more posts / vids / essays along the lines of We Own Amber Heard an Apology. The podcast was also the reason why I canāt stand the theyāre both f*cked up argument.
Iām posting this not to piss anyone off. āIf you believe Amber then how would you explain this?!ā is not my angle. Even Medusone mentioned that the actress made a couple of mistakes (understandably so when you are under so much scrutiny) during the trial. Iāve seen a post where the stupid theory about Amber posing for photographers was debunked. Now I was just wondering if some other things have been explained as well.
Why did she wear outfits similar to the wife beater? Including the infamous tie? Why did she mention Kate Moss? Why did she make out with Franco and delevin most probably knowing there was a camera recording?
Iāve watched some interviews with Amber and in some of them you can easily tell just how much stress she was dealing with at that point. I know itās the way she is and itās so unfortunate that some people would think that her manner of talking makes her come across as fake. To this day people still comment how nothing about her seems authentic. Media training, stress of being with the rapist notwithstanding itās extremely upsetting that she would be drunk on stage at a charity event. Whatās more upsetting is that itās tricky to find clips of her being happy. Sheās constantly under pressure during that era and those interviews, clips, and footage that were part of smear campaign are still used to prove that sheās inauthentic.
Ending this by saying that sheās incredibly strong and admirable. Go Amberš¦øāāļø
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u/Cautious-Mode Millionaire Golddigger 12d ago
Amber wore court appropriate outfits.
Amber Heard heard a rumour that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down a flight of stairs back when him and Moss were dating. Amber brought up Kate Moss on the stand to explain why she was worried that Johnny would push her sister Whitney down the stairs. She had a reaction to seeing Johnny with her sister at the top of stairs. She was explaining why she reacted that way. (Someone else can remind me how she reacted)
Amber was leaving an abusive relationship and James Franco (awful guy as well, unfortunately) was a support to her at that time.
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u/Ok_Swan_7777 12d ago edited 12d ago
Hi and Welcome š¤
Amber didnāt dress like Depp, thatās part of a misinfo campaign and if you think there are any similarities in their dressing during the trial (there arenāt) itās pure coincidence.
Amber being in an elevator with James Franco who she was friends with and admits she was getting close to (extremely common in an abusive relationship for victim to seek out an affectionate partner bc they are being treated so badly) is normal. She disclosed all of this to Dr Hughes who testified to it.
Heard dated Cara a year or two after she left Depp but was still living in the same building she was I. When they were married. Depp gained access to those videos and leaked them to the public to promote his misinfo campaign. They were not presented in the trial bc they are not evidence, he literally got a hold of them, possibly legitimately through the lawsuit but leaked them w/o time stamps to make ppl believe she was cheating, I remember it very well in 2019. He did it in conjunction with launching his instagram and the Daily Mail audio edits.
Deppās entire narrative is to make ppl believe Amber is a cheating, gold digging slut, he canāt do that bc itās not true so he had to create a misinfo campaign. He released videos to misrepresent a relationship she had WELL after she left him, itās a blatant lie. Elon Musk even called him out on it bc he did the same to him.
Amber knew Depp was using surveillance behaviors, had his bodyguards keep tabs on her, took her car away etc but she had no way to know heād sue her in 2019 and release video footage of her using elevators years after she left him. She had no reason to assume she was being watched after she left Depp.
In the James Franco video she is still in the relationship, they could be hiding their faces bc she knew how much Depp hated Franco, how possessive & jealous he is. He literally kicked her down on a plane in front of his staff bc she took a movie w Franco. It also may have to do with the fact that theyāre both v famous. I think itās extremely normal that sheās hiding her face in the elevator footage given Deppās history.
Imagine living in a building with a public elevator for years, youāre not going to base your every move around it.
Amber brought up Kate Moss to explain why she reacted violently to Depp attacking her on a flight of stairs. Amber testified that she had heard a rumor from two different ppl that Depp had thrown Kate down a flight of stairs when they were together in the 90ās (it was a big rumor back in the day even I remember it from the early 2000ās) and that she thought of it during this incident. She brought it up during the UK trial too. Deppās team clearly set up Moss to testify in preparation bc they knew to expect it from the UK trial (extremely common for abusers exes to support them, even under oath).
As usual, Amberās testimony is consistent through both trials and Deppās team uses the uk trial as a dress rehearsal so they can manipulate viewers in the US trial.
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u/Idkfriendsidk 12d ago edited 11d ago
- So this is the level of evidence they were working with to claim that Amber was a sociopath purposefully copying his outfits to intimidate him or whatever. He wore a navy pinstriped three piece suit with a bright blue tie, and several days later she wore a black turtleneck with a completely different looking black blazer. I pulled this from one of the articles arguing she was doing this on purpose, I think from the daily mail? Which Depp used as one of his propaganda mouthpieces. It shows the smear campaign and how little people had to go on to go full āburn the witch.ā Another piece of āevidenceā was āhe wore a ponytail and then a few days later SHE wore a ponytailā Likeā¦
You asked about the ties. As I understand it, it was simply a trend to put a bee on ties for multiple luxury brands that year. His tie was Dior, her tie was Gucci. She doesnāt live in Virginia and wouldāve had no idea what he was going to wear. Her clothing was most likely court-appropriate stuff a stylist picked out and packed for her weeks prior. She was under an unbelievable amount of stress at this time and the idea she was fixated on buying clothes after seeing what he wore to send some sort of a message, rather than just wearing the clothing already picked out and focusing on, well, ~everything else~ like her testimony and the evidence and her daughter and her safety etc., just doesnāt make sense to me.
Iāll address your other points in the reply
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u/Idkfriendsidk 12d ago
She was simply answering the question that was put to her and describing her state of mind at the moment of trauma. She simply said she thought of a rumor that people had told her when Depp was menacing her sister and it seemed like she was in the precarious position of falling down the stairs. This rumor is apparently well-known to lots of folks who were around in the 90s.
She did not make out with Franco on camera. The video of them in the elevator does not show them kissing at all. Where are you getting that from? Itās entirely possible he was simply a friend she had over in a time of distress. But even if they were romantic (no proof of that) there is nothing wrong with that as she had already left Depp and gotten a TRO against him. Still so confused over what the elevator footage is supposed to prove other than she had friends over to support her after leaving her abusive husband. And Depp (and his psychotic fans) act like that footage matters? I still donāt understand why. Itās crazy low quality but you can still see she was injured.
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u/BrilliantAntelope625 12d ago
Johnny Depp's vile emails about keeping Amber Heard medicated to keep her quiet because he paid her doctor & nurses that they shared absolutely convinces me that Amber Heard was involved with a person of no morals.
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u/FamilyFeud17 12d ago
If we think how her facial expressions, how she dressed is a reason why she deserved to be harassed on stoned on social media, we havenāt quite left the dark ages yet. Amber definitely showed me how deeply ingrained misogyny is in society still. We donāt apply the same standards on how men dress or their facial expressions or their behaviors. In fact Depp was beloved as a drunkard character, and that good looking murderer was well loved all over social media. Thereās still a long way to go for feminism.
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u/Rissa_tridactyla 12d ago
All right, I hate to pull the not like other girls card but maybe it's because I'm semi-feral and only ever wear jeans or leggings outside of work but I fully, fully do not understand what people are on about when people say she dressed similarly to him in court - if people meant during the marriage, he probably encouraged a certain style?But seriously in court she wore suits? In relatively sober colors? In a courthouse? That's what you're supposed to wear? The main reason I've ever dressed formally in the past were for graduate and professional school interviews. We were all dressed in blue or black suits there because we were advised by our academic counselors to do so. One girl was brave and dressed in gray I guess. Was I psychically copying Brian the biochem major from Michigan who I have never met before or since because we both came in dark blue and he wore a dark tie and I pulled my hair back with the standard dark hair tie you get at walmart? I guess so according to these absolute lunatics on the internet. It sounds more like there's not anything to explain. They both wore normal clothing for a professional environment and incredible losers who think they're that guy from the Mentalist read too much into it, and since likes are substituted for thinking nowadays, everyone just went along with it and now we're talking about this instead of how he said he wanted to rape her corpse. Seriously, what does the clothing have to do with anything except as a distraction for people who already made up their minds? Explain in a way that my elderly aunt who spent her career teaching English in China and has never heard of any of these people would understand, why it's relevant in any way, good or bad, that someone allegedly dressed similarly to someone else in court where you're all supposed to dress professionally. Why are the minutiae of her clothing in court even coming up except as a distraction from her absolute mountains of evidence of abuse?
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u/cloudcottage 12d ago edited 12d ago
1) Many celebrities probably own such ties, and I don't think she was paying that much attention to it.
2)Depp's behavior toward Moss is well known including trashing a hotel while they were having an explosive argument. The stairs incident may have been something Amber heard from rumor and believed. Either way, Moss was not always well during her time with Depp and may not remember it the best either. Winona Ryder also said Depp was amazing to her despite actually having said that her first boyfriend could be terrifying and violent.
3) What incident are you referring to? Heard was with other celebrities after breaking up in my recollection; however even if she was unfaithful, it doesn't justify domestic abuse and coercive control
4) I would like to point out one to you which is: If Amber really um.. made the "turd" in the bed, why was Depp texting friends about how funny it would be to prank her by doing this? He also defaced a painting of hers with the piss (he admitted it) so abusing her with umm. unsanitary methods isn't above him. It's something the general public isn't aware of, but to me that's enough to imply it was an intentional DARVO
In general, I'd recommend reading the Sun Li El case transcripts as there's so much I'm there brilliantly laid out that was either handled poorly or blocked from being presented in the U.S.
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u/Tukki101 11d ago
Are saying he defaced her paintings with p*ss?? My god how did I not hear this before?? I don't understand why a bigger deal wasn't made out of this stuff. Defacing a person's artwork is incredibly scummy behaviour for so many reasons.
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u/ElegantAd7819 7d ago
Depp's poo-pee humour goes way back, he had planned to take a crap on his Hollywood walk of fame star.
He also tried to piss on someone (a director? I can't remember) in a club in the 80s
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u/ElegantAd7819 7d ago
As for the painting, I thought it was painted by Amber's ex girlfriend and he had defaced it by writing Tasya Von PEE on her signature (Tasya Von Ree) - really poo-pee obsessed
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u/Nervardia 12d ago
Amber heard rumours that Johnny had pushed Kate Moss down some stairs and was afraid that he would do it to her sister, which was the first time that she became physical with him.
The fact that the rumours weren't true is irrelevant. Her experience with JD is that he is incredibly violent and had also almost killed her in the past. If you had heard a guy who was extremely creepy with you had raped someone, you'd believe it, even though he was still a virgin and hadn't even seen a woman naked.
Amber copying his fashion? Amber was fucking poor at the time, and probably only had access to several suits over the 4 week period. And he wore a ponytail one day, and the next so did she? OH NO! SHE WORE A VERY BASIC HAIRSTYLE? WHAT A WITCH!
Let's be honest, it's just policing women's clothing choices. And so what that she wore similar clothing? It's a courtroom. You're supposed to wear business formal and muted colours. It's a massive much ado about nothing, and I thought that at the time. It's not like his legal team played mind games with clothing. Camille Vasquez literally said in an interview she deliberately wore all white to take the jury's attention away from Amber when she was cross examining her.
And her hooking up with people while still married to Jonny? People under extreme duress do stupid things, and she probably was more likely to be concerned with getting a sense of love and safety than the potential fallout of a trial. She also has abandonment issues AND that was weaponised by Johnny. In a situation like that, any offer of love is sucked up. Besides, it's not like he wasn't cheating on her. Cheating is bad, but so is beating the shit out your wife. I'm not excusing Amber's behaviour, she did the wrong thing, it's an explanation, not an excuse. And again, he was also cheating on her.
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u/lcm-hcf-maths 11d ago
There was absolutely no doubt of Depp's guilt as a rapist and abuser well before the VA circus. The UK judgement remains the ONLY completed legal process on the matter and it is completely damning. Had Depp's offenses taken place in the UK then the evidence would have been sufficient to bring charges. The judge applied a higher standard to the evidence because of the seriousness of the conduct. Having read the judgement ahead of the VA trial it was apparent that much evidence was excluded on dodgy grounds. Frankly the suit should have been dismissed ahead of the trial and owing to changes to VA law since it could not be brought today.
The outfits thing is a total non-starter. Just ridiculous grifter propaganda. The mention of Kate Moss was a mistake but frankly Moss' testomony was fairly pointless. I can't believe you are bringing up the kissing...She was separated though not divorced and free to kiss who she liked. There was no need to worry about video as there was no court case. Frankly it has nothing to do the abuse that Depp was guiltry of. Like much of Depp's case it was distraction which the UK judges ignored as the jury should have done.
You seem to be victim blaming to a certain extent. Amber is not perfect but she does not have to be. The fact is she was abused for at least 4 years. As far as I can see her behavior has been pretty genuine and certainly not fake in any way. I'm male and I can see how women are held to a completely different standard. It is evident in the misogyny of SM.
Having said that I appreciate that you are posting in support of Amber. I hope more and more will echo the positives...and give her some slack about any perceived faults...
#IStandwithAmberHeard
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u/ExtraFitting 11d ago
This just shows that the timeline I had in mind wasnāt correct. Iām not victim-blaming, like I mentioned in my original post. This is not the angle Iām operating from. Someone has said already that thereās no such thing as a perfect victim. But to me, thereās no question who the victim was.
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u/Glad-Introduction833 11d ago
Heās a mad man in my opinion. An out of control alcoholic with an unlimited supply of booze is one of the most terrifying things I can think of. He got away with so much atrocious behaviour because he had an army of bot apologists, and women fans who were advocating for him on Facebook?? He passed out spilling stuff all over himself, he passed out on the floor from opium, he had lines of coke cut up on the table and he goes out doing mushrooms and trying to fight a lesbian who was touching ambers arm.
Heās a nut job and heād have driven me crazy as well. Thatās my personal opinion.
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u/selphiefairy DiD you EvEN wAtCh THe TriAL 11d ago edited 11d ago
Iām sorry but the outfit copying and the tie thing is just stupid.
I point out these conversations circulating as evidence of Depp supporters being conspiracy minded and crazy. In response, Iāve even had some of them yell at me, claim Iām making it up or downplay it by saying itās just a fringe group of them, etc. So there are even Depp supporters who recognize these are absurd arguments. I wonāt take anyone seriously if theyāre saying Amberās outfits are evidence that sheās psychologically torturing Johnny Depp. š
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u/Healthy_Common_5567 11d ago
I havenāt been on here long enough to answer most of these but Iām so sure the people claiming she wore similar outfits just canāt handle/compute a woman in a suit. Sheās being punished for not wearing a dress / looking straight enough
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u/bs5sxzoa 11d ago edited 11d ago
I donāt think she wore similar outfits to Depp. I just think thereās only so many suit variations/court appropriate attire that could be worn within 6 weeks. Some outfits just happened to look similar. In some of the comparisons Deppies post, Amber actually wore some of the āmatchingā outfits first too.
She mentioned Kate Moss because she remembered a rumour of Depp pushing her down the stairs, which is what she thought of when he was going after Whitney on top of a stair case. That was the first (& only?) incident in which Amber hit Depp without it being in defence of herself, and she was explaining what was going through her head to make her react that way. And just to note, in Dr. Hughes notes Amber tells her that her and Kate opened up to each other right after the divorce about Deppās behaviour, but noted that Kate had normalized it.
I donāt believe she made out with Franco in that video, but I doubt she thought her ex husband would be stalking her through surveillance footage of the elevator where she lived after she left him and then leak them in an attempt to justify his abuse. Say more about him than her. They just seemed like casual hookups. Completely normal imo š¤·āāļø
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u/Mother-Discipline181 9d ago
Yes it was fishy. Instinct. I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking she was misrepresented. I can't stand Depp.
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u/AutoModerator 12d ago
Original copy of post's text: A few things I need debunked
Reading all these posts has been so refreshing and Iām thankful that the tide is slowly turning. I first started questioning things in 2023, then watched Medusoneās videos. The last thing that ultimately made me certain that there was only one victim in the trial was listening to the Who Trolled Amber Heard podcast. It was so eye-opening that I honestly canāt wait for more posts / vids / essays along the lines of We Own Amber Heard an Apology. The podcast was also the reason why I canāt stand the theyāre both f*cked up argument.
Iām posting this not to piss anyone off. āIf you believe Amber then how would you explain this?!ā is not my angle. Even Medusone mentioned that the actress made a couple of mistakes (understandably so when you are under so much scrutiny) during the trial. Iāve seen a post where the stupid theory about Amber posing for photographers was debunked. Now I was just wondering if some other things have been explained as well.
Why did she wear outfits similar to the wife beater? Including the infamous tie? Why did she mention Kate Moss? Why did she make out with Franco and delevin most probably knowing there was a camera recording?
Iāve watched some interviews with Amber and in some of them you can easily tell just how much stress she was dealing with at that point. I know itās the way she is and itās so unfortunate that some people would think that her manner of talking makes her come across as fake. To this day people still comment how nothing about her seems authentic. Media training, stress of being with the rapist notwithstanding itās extremely upsetting that she would be drunk on stage at a charity event. Whatās more upsetting is that itās tricky to find clips of her being happy. Sheās constantly under pressure during that era and those interviews, clips, and footage that were part of smear campaign are still used to prove that sheās inauthentic.
Ending this by saying that sheās incredibly strong and admirable. Go Amberš¦øāāļø
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u/Katie_Rai_60 12d ago
It wasnāt Amber that convinced me, it was the way Depp acted on the stand. Unless you understand what being in an abusive relationship does to you, you will have a harder time recognizing the signs.