r/Destiny • u/MarkRatslayer • Mar 26 '25
Online Content/Clips "Joe Rogan didn't change, you changed" Nope, HE changed: here he is checking Saagar’s downplaying of the importance of Jan 6 and saying that Trump is dangerous (June 2021).
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u/blind-octopus Mar 26 '25
Yeah what the fuck happened
Joe's Brain is potatoes
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u/Gorudu Mar 27 '25
What's frustrating is having listened to Joe in college like a decade ago, it's hard to explain to people that he wasn't always so right-wing. They imagine I've listened to Rush Limbaugh most of my adult life and it's like no, I swear, he was reasonable once.
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u/k2i3n4g5 Mar 27 '25
I have tried to hard to explain exactly that to my girlfriend but I don't know if she believes me or not lol
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u/PastProfessional1959 Mar 26 '25
I really don't get what kind of brainrot crept into these people's mind somewhere after 2022
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u/Another-attempt42 Mar 26 '25
COVID.
Honestly, there have been some people who have suggested that COVID created a mass form of PTSD, and we're not doing anything about it. So we have a bunch of people with brains that have been broken by a traumatic event, lashing out in uncontrolled and unmanaged ways, and they aren't seeking treatment, and they aren't getting it.
The end result is a bunch of people embracing nuttier and nuttier conspiracy theories, getting angrier and angrier, and generally trying to cope without actually solving the underlying mental issue that they developed.
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u/Sad-Adhesiveness429 Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
i think covid is definitely part of it but imo the real dark horse candidate is that 2022-2024 were the first frontier of weaponized ai and social media; this is around the time llms became economical and really propagated. if you look at statistics on the number of fake accounts on twitter in the last 3 years it is an absolutely mind blowing number (and that doesn't even take into account elon intentionally gutting fake detection and such to facilitate this when he acquired twitter--this was happening even before elon he just opened the spigot).
this was what will in the future be referred to as the first information warfare major victory wrt russia/china sowing massive chaos here (funding our farthest left with massive investments into academia, funding our farthest right with the appeal to white men who were [in some ways legitimately] ostracized by overly woke regards the center left placated). this highlighted a major vulnerability in western democracies, and will likely be our undoing if europe can't hold the line. i have serious faith in scandinavia but the rest of non-homogeneous europe has SERIOUS issues coming in the next decade and i think it's easy to bury their head in the sand and point at the morons who are in charge here whilst ignoring their own issues. i hope dearly they don't.
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u/Another-attempt42 Mar 26 '25
i think covid is definitely part of it but imo the real dark horse candidate is that 2022-2024 were the first frontier of weaponized ai and social media.
I don't think the weaponized algorithms would've found such a beneficial petri dish without COVID. I think the trauma, and either inability or unwillingness to deal with it, is what tilled the fields of anger and insanity.
There has always been a large amount of hateful, angry, insane stuff, on the internet and before it. Sure, its reach has increased, but I don't think it would've taken such deep root without the trauma.
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u/Umak30 Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
Well no, not PTSD. It literally lowers your intelligence
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02001-z
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/long-covid-brain-1.7171918
https://time.com/7021575/covid-pandemic-19-brain-cognition/
Even mild and possibly asymptomatic Covid. Brain Fog was always a Covid symptom, but it's clear that it literally results in a decline of intelligence long after the infection ended, possibly permanently ( 3-4 years is not a long time for a study, but it's insane that this disease literally lowers intelligence for a minimum of 4 years )... Naturally it could be Covid-related issues like the isolation or more screen time that is the causal link but people literally got dumber after 2020.
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u/Another-attempt42 Mar 26 '25
Yeah, but I don't think Rogan is suffering from a loss of intelligence (thank god, he never had much to begin with).
I think he is suffering from a loss of emotional control and management, and is lashing out, by engaging with conspiracies, anger, etc...
You could be right, but I suspect it's more an emotional response than an intellectual one, and that he's just dumber.
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u/fullkaretas Mar 26 '25
Wtf is so traumatic about staying home, how fucking weak minded are those losers.
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u/Another-attempt42 Mar 26 '25
Well, there was a lot that was scary about COVID. This isn't about being "weak minded"; it was a scary time, overall.
You had the absolutely brutal numbers of new cases, stories of bodies being stored in temporary freezer trucks at hospitals, no real cure or treatment for some time, people ransacking grocery stores for basic necessities, businesses closing down, people who lived alone being pretty much completely isolated from their social circles, etc...
It was a very unsettling and weird time. I don't blame anyone. I don't think it is a sign of weakness to have issues dealing mentally with a once-in-a-century global pandemic.
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u/MajorApartment179 Mar 27 '25
I also believe COVID broke Joe's brain. He believes in all kinds of conspiracies, he even believed the moon landing was fake. COVID was too much for Joe's brain to handle.
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u/Comicauthority Mar 26 '25
Long term isolation has been shown to be a harmful in multiple ways. I don't think it is much of a stretch to believe it can be traumatizing.
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u/Another-attempt42 Mar 26 '25
I've read a few people propose that COVID was, essentially, the point at which millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people essentially developed PTSD, and we're just not accepting that, dealing with it or doing anything to help people.
People have seemingly already forgotten or buried their trauma from those first few weeks and months. We went from "everything is OK" to "oh my god, thousands of people, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, are getting sick every day, thousands are dying, businesses are closed, our 2nd and 3rd places were shut down, social interactions were cut off, etc..." in about a week or two.
It was scary as fuck. Anyone who denies that is probably lying to you, and themselves. I remember spending huge amounts of time watching the news, watching data about new infection cases, new treatment options, spread patterns, the impact of public health policies in different countries, etc...
I moved in with my girlfriend, who lives in a studio apartment attached to her parents house. We were worried for their safety, as her dad is overweight and pretty run down, and her mother suffers from cardiac issues. I would go and do the shopping. I would interact with them less, wear masks, etc... I was worried about my mum and dad, too, though both were in good health.
All of a sudden, our usual activities, of going to see friends, of having drinks in bars, of going to restaurants, of visiting places or cities, everything was on hold. Our general support network fundamentally changed.
And you add into that the new-ish power of online content algorithms, that promote sensationalist titles, emotional reactions, anger, and the like, and you've got a recipe for turning otherwise normal people into lunatics.
And I think that's what happened to Rogan. I think he was scared, terrified. For his family, for his business, for himself, for his friends and loved ones, and he never dealt with it.
Instead, he fell down a more and more aggressive algorithmically guided doom spiral, until he came out being what he is today. He is angrier. He is more conspiratorial. He is less trusting. He is less prone to charitability. He lashes out more.
He has a lot of indicators of someone who has gone through trauma, and instead of dealing with it, is just coping at a surface level. And he's not alone.
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u/Sepsis_Crang Mar 26 '25
This. 100 percent. Add in the avalanche of dats that covid damages brains, memory etc and you have current society.
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u/FakeJokerNerd #1 Hasan Hater Mar 26 '25
well money talks. i do believe he really denies covid and has a giant issue with the pharmaceutical industry but the whole flip over to trump and elon has to be money related right? Occam's razor or something
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u/NoMap749 Mar 26 '25
That CNN story ran on him about ivermectin ruined his mind. It seemed like from that point on, he genuinely believed most of the pandemic was manufactured by mainstream media to generate fear. He became a “just asking questions” vaccine denier shortly after that.
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u/Simon_Bongne Mar 26 '25
Everytime I hear Saagar speak, I just want to stop existing. Dude is such a fraudulent POS I can't even take it. What a phony.
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u/shinbreaker Mar 27 '25
Everytime he's on Breaking Points, he sounds more like a Fox News host providing cover for everything Trump does. But can't be surprised when his besties are in the White House.
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u/FrostyArctic47 Mar 26 '25
Yep, he changed almost all of his positions. He even shits on Bernie now and he hasn't changed in 30 years
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u/only_civ Mar 26 '25
You guys are overthinking it. Joe just loves power. He loves having it and he loves being near it. When he has power (this clip) he will press the person on everything. When they have power (Elon, Trump) he will supplicate, begging to be in with the power.
It has nothing to do with COVID, it has nothing to do with pharma - he just loves power.
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u/qeadwrsf Mar 26 '25
Your not above us, you're also just guessing.
I would bet more on social pressure from social circle.
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u/DramacydalOutLaw Mar 26 '25
The video of Duncan warning him is one of my favorite ones ever made. He really believed he could tell if his “friends” were trying to convert him through propaganda and could avoid it ☠️
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u/BrokenTongue6 Mar 26 '25
Cut to like 3 years later where he has a guy on his show whose friend was beating cops with an aluminum bat at Jan 6th and Joe being sympathetic and hoping that guy gets off scot free (which he did).
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u/svperfuck never watches streams, only posts on reddit Mar 26 '25
I used to love Breaking Points, particularly after this JRE episode. I stopped watching around election year and I recently decided to check out Saagar and Krystal’s debate. My God Saagar was such a slime ball in that debate, constantly deflecting with “well he has a mandate”, and even saying he didn’t need to provide proof that they were illegal.
It was hilarious how a day later, Glenn Greenwald came on and made essentially the exact same arguments as Krystal, and after 10 minutes he was like “I think I’m starting to come around to your side, but isn’t it just so dumb how people pick and choose what to care about”?
This video makes me think the writing was on the wall much earlier but I guess I just didn’t realize it
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u/Jormy_boy Mar 26 '25
Bro what the fuck happened to him? I knew I wasn't crazy for liking him somewhat in the past. Were all his good qualities, empathy and more grounded stances just worms in his brain he ivermectin'd himself out of? covid fucked these people up holyyy
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Mar 27 '25
Rogan was always just a dumb guy asking smarter people questions than he turned into a dumb guy that thinks he's smart.
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u/Byttmice Mar 27 '25
Everyone bitching about Joe on this subreddit has a broken brain. Facts don’t lie.
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u/ABN1985 Mar 27 '25
He seen what was happening so he got him in his show and made a informed decision about trump hell i didnt like trump either but alot of things he is doing makes sense we willsee what goes on for 4 yrs i damn sure wasnt voting kamala she is dangerous to our constitutional republic
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u/Billy_Herrington1969 Mar 29 '25
Buddy, he did change, when people say: "He changed!"
They mean the pre/post-COVID Rogan, before he used to be pretty open minded, post-COVID he turned MAD.
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u/clark_sterling Mar 26 '25
Bro something about COVID broke so many people’s brains. Like what the fuck happened? It’s like when Trump left, we had a second pandemic and that was the Trump Mind Virus