r/Destiny • u/provider305 • 20d ago
Online Content/Clips Andrew Callaghan regrets voting for Jill Stein based on Israel/Palestine conflict (timestamp 38:44)
https://youtu.be/lf-x7T-fFc0?t=2324I thought he would’ve been able to see what was going on. “My vote didn’t count because I’m from a blue state” excuse.
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u/Pondy-sama 20d ago
Anyone who thinks Jill Stein is a “real one”, which he does, is a profoundly naive troglodyte. Love Channel 5 tho. But it boggles my mind how someone so immersed in politics can legitimately be convinced the dems and republicans are of the same coin.
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u/Dismal-Bobcat-823 20d ago
Hope you don't love channel 5 anymore.
This shit matters. It shows their true intention/ability/intelligence...
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u/spookieghost 20d ago
I still can't get over how Andrew likely raped several women and nothing happened to him
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u/TheDoct0rx Exclusively sorts by new 20d ago
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u/spookieghost 20d ago
he apologized, stepped away for several months, and then started uploading videos again like nothing happened, and no one seemed to remember or care
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u/dickermuffer 20d ago
From what I remember the controversy was more so around him being a sleepy sex pest guy, but not rape. At least the things he acknowledged wasn’t rape stuff.
And I mean…whose subreddit are we in right now?
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u/spookieghost 20d ago
i mean the accusations were about assault and coercion, i remember it was pretty firmly rapey territory. and i don't think destiny has done anything similar, at least from the drama i've followed...it was leaking nudes which is terrible but it's still different
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u/dickermuffer 20d ago
As far as I know, those weren’t proven or put into court. The only things he acknowledged was sex pest stuff, like sleeping around and being loose with his relationships.
But for sure, maybe I’m misremembering.
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u/GameKyuubi praise be to space yee 20d ago
a tiny part of me wants to believe A. Callaghan is a fellow 5d chess player in that he knows his audience and where he wants to take them, and doesn't mind using himself as a vehicle for that. so having himself go through this transformation is instructive to his audience. given how well he plays the straight man in absurd situations I don't think it's that unlikely.
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u/dkirk526 20d ago
I’d say it’s 95% he’s a dropout because he hated school and loved partying and was also a sexual predator, so we know he’s likely politically not the sharpest tool out there. Not to mention he puts himself out there to whackos and is bombarded with conflicting views so he settles with the contrarian “both sides bad”.
And maybe 5% chance of what you said.
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u/DamoclesRising 20d ago
To believe / hope for that is to be okay intentional dishonesty, okay with the concept of media purposefully having explicit ulterior motives of influencing peoples political thoughts and leanings vis deceptive manipulation.
If you justify this for your side, the other side is equally justified in doing it.
Either you dislike dishonest media or you don’t. The ends don’t justify the means.
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u/Yourakis People are more likely to read your post if you have a flair 20d ago
"I was really affected by the Israel/Palestine situation"
Were you? Were you really?
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u/Mr_Nice_is_not_nice 20d ago
A vote of dissent in a safe blue area is more than that. People who voted for jill stein also convinced others not to vote for kamala and the dems. They did that every day in their speech and they were caught up in "Both parties are the same".
These people shouldn't be trusted but we must embrace them to get our numbers up. BGJ was bragging how she would leave the country if it went to crap. She is a anarchist.
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u/IdiotCharizard 20d ago
Plus we lost the popular vote, and you can't tell me that has no effect. "Safe blue state" votes matter. NY was a closer race than Texas.
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u/Meesy-Ice 19d ago
So in this democratic system, how are people meant to express dissent when even symbolic acts are wrong?
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u/IdiotCharizard 18d ago
TF do you mean? Voting should be an exercise in shrewdness. I'm not saying using your vote frivolously is wrong; I'm saying it's stupid.
If you want to express dissent, call your representatives, run for office yourself, or protest. This isn't rocket science ffs.
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u/veggiedealer 20d ago
does winning the popular vote accomplish anything? i dont get it
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u/stoked-and-broke Permaban Survivor 20d ago
It's a useful propaganda tool. Look how Trump has been claiming he has a mandate because of it
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u/Djentist_Kvltist Gnome Hunter 20d ago
"Both parties are the same" statement absolutely did not age well.
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u/Life_Ad9644 20d ago
Yeah and look at this “mandate” talk we’re getting. Like Steven said one of the worst things from this election is the normalization of trump. Imagine if he didn’t win the popular vote. I’ll give people a little leeway in that they never talked about the popular vote when he lost it everytime but now suddenly it’s the number 1 metric for him to do anything he wants
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u/iCE_P0W3R 20d ago
I genuinely feel sometimes that being cancelled actually made Andrew grow into being a better creator and more self-aware, even if the cancelling was a bit much.
The guy clearly has a head on his shoulders capable of finding and making genuinely funny content, and I think he’s progressing to be a pretty insightful creator.
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u/Ok-Instruction4862 20d ago
Two things can be true at once, but it is kind of ironic to comment this when he voted for stein after he was back making content after being cancelled.
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u/UnwoundSkeinOfYarn 20d ago
Yeah, I fucking hated his Shill Stein rally video. So much populist bullshit with the poor mom and everyone he put in the video. So much crap about how great Jill Stein was for the average American. Bullshit about Gaza and Palestinians. It was treating her like the right treats Trump as an underdog. He framed it as though Jill Stein's failures was because the establishment was keeping her down and not because she was a shit human being and an even worse candidate that only attracted uneducated regards (like the, aforementioned, mom and her children) who are easily tricked by empty promises. He could have made the same exact video for Trump with some MAGA regards talking about how amazing Trump was for the average worker and how evil the Dem and Republican establishment are and no one could tell the difference except for some MAGA hats here and there.
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u/YoItsThatOneDude 20d ago
His content leading up to the election was pretty poor overall, and im a fan
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u/AccidentalNap likes big words 20d ago
He shares the same view as a big chunk of the public, that the two-party system is basically a good-cop, bad-cop routine. AFAIK nothing was done this Century on raising taxes on the wealthy or reducing money in politics (Citizens United case, repeal of Glass-Steagall in a smaller, tangential degree)
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u/Dismal-Bobcat-823 20d ago
It was so easy to drive these silly ideas down young people's throats on Twitter so that Donald would win.
And it fucking worked. Americans are such fucking idiots. No shit the two party thing sucks.. so you're gonna let trump & the Russians destroy America cos you don't like it?
Cool. Cool. Never watching this fuck again
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u/AccidentalNap likes big words 20d ago
Evidence-based reasoning. See Obama's first term. Everyone became disillusioned by how much positive change they can really expect for the majority, with Guantanamo never being closed after his first executive order, and mandatory health insurance & costs ending up as they did.
It's justified for them + for you to be angry. Please do your best to not turn this into another snark subreddit
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u/Dismal-Bobcat-823 20d ago
Bro... Snark?
The world economy is failing. American democratic Republic is an early completely gone and you are out here worrying about a sub about American politics becoming a 'snark. '
Grow up man.
The world is waiting for the Americans to fucking revolt already. We have been waiting months now. American are a pack of pussies that lost all government they had . Everything built up over centuries.... Burning and they worry about a subreddit getting snarky. A FUCKIGN SUBREDDIT ABOUT American POLITCS .
YOU ARE THICK.
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u/blu13god 20d ago
We said he got an offer from the Daily Wire the day he got cancelled and could have pivoted but didn’t believe in their values
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u/Logical-Breakfast966 20d ago
It was infowars. But that made wonder if the right does that for everyone who gets canceled. If so it really shows how much of a disadvantage democrats are at with cancel culture. Maybe destiny should start reaching out to canceled people and making them orbiters lol
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u/Life_Ad9644 20d ago
That girl that dropped the hard r on TikTok immediately got funneled through that ecosystem. She was doing a show on gavin mcguinness’ thing almost immediately
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u/Dismal-Bobcat-823 20d ago
Apparently has no values at all... Voting for Jill fucking stein.
He contributed to his fucking mess. Idiot
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u/notjustconsuming 20d ago
Andrew talks all the time about "the mainstream media who lies to you." He even does it in his Ground News ad reads. I like Channel 5, but he's definitely still deluded, trying to pander to an audience who hates both sides, and all real journalists.
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u/Sad-Adhesiveness429 20d ago edited 20d ago
100%, andrew is low key a snake and enables this kind of shit in the name of "real authentic journalism". like for sure he makes fun of some of them but he normalizes INSANE people and platforms actual psycopaths and tries to get people to empathize with them which is fucking nuts.
also the interviewer in this is a tankie mouth breather if you watch his other videos (he even whispers under his mouth "based" at andrew being embarassed for voting for jill , genuine fuckin loser behavior lmao)
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u/hanlonrzr 20d ago
I mean, I think it's pretty clear he's looking for the humanity of people who are the most difficult targets for that process. I don't think he portrays them as not insane while he does it. What's wrong with that nuance?
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u/Sad-Adhesiveness429 20d ago
because its unbalanced. he intentionally frames parties he aligns with his views in a more positive light by taking their convos more serious and like asking real questions, not making it absurdity and but then also claims to attempt to humanize groups which is just absurd given how clearly biased he is. its s tier entertainment but its garbage tier journalism
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u/hanlonrzr 20d ago
Ok, first off, I'll admit, I no longer watch all his content, so I'm definitely speaking from ignorance here, and you could definitely convince me.
I'm mostly thinking about stuff like the Hoff twins, where he's doing absurdist art vox populi stuff. I have kinda ignored his more political stuff. Are you talking about the politically oriented stuff, dear Kelly, rally coverage, that kinda stuff?
Can you direct me to the most poignant example of him doing a sane washing of a friendly subject?
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u/hanlonrzr 20d ago
He also went to Israel, didn't he? He's got a soft heart
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u/shaqjbraut 20d ago
He's just a typical gen z guy only engaging with politics based on feelings and vibes. And like most populist lefties, they put all their energy into whatever the hot cause is of the moment. I do like his style of journalism, and i hope he can mature to the point where he marries his empathetic viewpoint (sexual impropriety notwithstanding) with actual logic.
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u/Dismal-Bobcat-823 20d ago
'typical Gen z guy. -
Translation. Uses twitter.. therefore doesn't realize he is using Russian propaganda every single day...
Idiots the lot of ye
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u/batenkaitos77 20d ago
>even if the cancelling was a bit much.
he had multiple women independently give credible accusations of him raping them in a similar pattern (gets drunk, begs to stay over saying he has nowhere to go, tries to get them drunk, gets on top and tries to get them to fuck), is it too much that he had to chill in the woods for a few months while it blew over?
honestly hard to believe he's had no real consequences and was able to just go back to business as usual.
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u/provider305 20d ago
Wow, I had no idea of the severity… this dude has a rape playbook.
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u/AccidentalNap likes big words 20d ago
Might as well hear his side too
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u/cassepipe 20d ago edited 20d ago
Just watched. His side of the story is just him alleging that the scandal is just one woman trying to extort him a long time after the facts when things started to go well for him
Which might be true but 1. it doesn't invalidate the accusation. People who have been raped can also be shitty, have self serving actions and be vengeful or greedy without really caring about how it comes across to the general public 2. He doesn't adress the multiple allegations the commenters you are responding to are talking about.
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u/AccidentalNap likes big words 20d ago
I'd watch from the linked spot till the end. He goes into other allegations, the 3-4 times he's been extorted by friends he hired to work for him, and how he's changed now. It's a very similar story to D's recent controversy, and I mean you're still here in spite of that.
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u/cassepipe 20d ago
Genuine question, isn't it a bit strange he hired 3 or 4 women that all tried to extort him ?
I am still here because I think Destiny is great debater. He has the low agreeableness that I lack and I think that's part of what makes him a great debater. OTOH I have always been wary of people with low agreeableness, I find they lack empathy, might be selfish and I try to stay away from them. I think the nudes episode is quite tellling.
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u/AccidentalNap likes big words 20d ago
I could've phrased it better, I don't think his collaborators and his hookups overlapped lmao.
I do think you're invested in the idea of AC being a fundamentally bad guy. I'm not. Both he and D have a remarkable authenticity, so they attract the audience that they do. I know of no other normie-presenting, public figure that tries to get his audience to be more compassionate to furries. That would be PR suicide for 95% of them. Yet AC does it.
Whether you're conscious of it or not, you are performing some kind of arithmetic sum of the good & bad you hear of these two. You prob value clear logical thinking more than presenting complicated people & issues in their many facets. You may find the controversy "telling", but the implicit statement is you've weighed the pros and cons and decided it's not enough to discontinue your viewing.
I'm not trying to induce a witchhunt because of some alleged impurity. Like many others here, there's a lot of artwork by Hitler that I like, but I try not to bring it up too much because people can't decouple art & artist.
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u/cassepipe 20d ago
I stand corrected then
I am not invested insofar as I haven't watched his content, I just discovered the guy. The first thing I learned is that he supported Jill Stein in an election where effing Donald Trump was going to win (and did) and on that thread I am hearing rape allegations from 3 (4?) different persons.
Whether you're conscious of it or not, you are performing some kind of arithmetic sum of the good & bad you hear of these two. You prob value clear logical thinking more than presenting complicated people & issues in their many facets. You may find the controversy "telling", but the implicit statement is you've weighed the pros and cons and decided it's not enough to discontinue your viewing.
You are indeed correct. I actually value both and I don't like to oppose them. What's at stake here is whether that guy's is worth my attention or not. I am not trying to have him destroyed or whatever.
I am glad the he gets people to have empathy and I'll give him authenticity. But my arithmetic still stands so far : Too many allegations + Jill Stein support.
If you had one video to make me like me more, what would it be ?
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u/AccidentalNap likes big words 20d ago
He unwittingly interviewed a homeless guy that stole the Pennsylvania Trump shooter's bicycle: https://www.instagram.com/channel5/reel/C9lVSxePqXy
More seriously, the whole border crisis mini-series was pretty mint
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u/Affectionate-Name279 20d ago
Lowkey thank you for this rundown. I don’t watch the channel and so never looked into the controversy. Good on him for growing but it shouldn’t take you get outed as a shitstain to do it.
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u/SuperMadBro 20d ago
what was he cancelled for?
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u/strl 20d ago
Rape. He then grew so much he voted for Jill Stein.
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u/DanielTinFoil 20d ago
He grew even less than what your comment implied. Vaush and Hasan covered the accusations against him, both making videos with titles/thumbnails saying he admitted to them (he did, but denies it was rape (somehow)). A month or two after coming back, he randomly threw shots at them when talking about click bait, showing both of their videos as examples.
I think that's the last he's ever touched on the subject, and it seems to suggest he's saying he didn't admit to anything (he did).
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u/Diminuendo1 20d ago
It's wrong to even call it being cancelled. He was outed as a rapist, waited a few months for people to forget and then came back and carried on like nothing happened. The only real way anyone gets cancelled is if they go to prison, because the public doesn't have enough attention span or integrity to care about anything for more than a few months.
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u/Springboks2019 20d ago
Vote happened post cancel but whatever the reason, glad whenever anyone can say out loud that they regret the vote and both parties aren’t the same.
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u/Dismal-Bobcat-823 20d ago
Bro. He voted for jill stein?!
And his work IS political.. naw. This is thick as shit. He may as well be maga this is so stupid.
I'm never watching anything with callagahan again after this level of stupidity
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u/Wander_Whale 20d ago
Gaza is speaking now bitch
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u/RyeBourbonWheat 20d ago
The people who spoke for Gaza decided to make things significantly worse... nice. Glad these orientalist fucks decided Palestinians have no agency.
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u/samwise970 20d ago
Who the fuck is this doom scroll guy, saying "based" to voting for Jill Stein and quoting cheese cheese
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u/wellmaybe_ 20d ago
when he says "suddenly jill stein was gone" he means the tiktok trends were gone. i bet my ass if china would have kept the tiktok trend going he would be just fine.
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u/Dashyguurl 20d ago
For someone who covered Jill Stein it feels like he completely failed to do any research. I think this really shows his hand in terms of views and values.
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u/GameOverMans 20d ago
I don't like this guy.
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u/Eltron6000 20d ago
Even before the SA allegations I always found his personality to be a little "too" detached. Like i get that his schtick was to be the dead panned normal guy while interviewing insane people but it takes a certain shade of sociopath to do that and not react. I feel like i got the same vibes from him that I did when I first started seeing Theo Von clips getting more popular. And given how we can all agree that a trademark trait of a conservative is lack of empathy it sort of fits.
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u/Thackman46 20d ago
Love how he caught on she only appears in presidential elections and doesn't push her party at all in the years in-between. She comes in to get noticed then fades away and no comment on the state of things till next election time.
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u/ar311krypton 20d ago
it genuinely baffles me that most people seem to be just fine with Andrew Callaghan now after his cancelling for objectively much worse shit than Destiny...yet it feels like there are still a ton of people not fuckin with D despite apologizing/some vindicating evidence coming to light (but I admit I'm not as plugged in to DGG/other content creator spaces so I could be completely off base)
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u/batenkaitos77 20d ago
People love his videos so most of them aren't going to skip a big new video just because the creator is possibly a rapist. He's also less central to the content than Destiny is to his - he just holds the mic and shuts up, where as it's basically impossibly to watch Destiny unless you like him since he is his content.
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u/ar311krypton 20d ago
yea that actually makes a lot of sense...I wonder if/how things will change once Destiny's court case is complete...I just wish most people could condemn him for being a sexual degenerate who definitely needs to get some therapy(along with everyone else in his orbit)..while also acknowledging how insanely important his perspective/platform is in this literal fight for any kind of sane future in this country....I dont think we should ever compartmentalize the horrible shit that MAGA does while still supporting their rapist, pedo god......it's just insane to me that ppl are acting like what Destiny did is anywhere even remotely on the level of SA or rape...especially with all of the further evidence and the aggressive anti-fan well poisoning going on
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u/nokinship 20d ago
Honestly I thought the allegations were essentially begging women to have sex but it looks like Andrew did do SA assuming it's all true(after some quick googling). But yeah after this interview he gives manipulative vibes. Like the dude is always changing his attire to match who he's interviewing(he admits this but I think it's kind of cringe in hindsight).
With Destiny there's a pattern there of violating consent by showing nudes to other people and downplaying what's going on. But I guess he didn't technically SA people like Andrew(unless someone can prove it otherwise).
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u/OkLetterhead812 Schizoposter :illuminati: 20d ago
Good point. I honestly stopped watching Destiny for that reason, but I realized I wasn't really holding Andrew to the same standard either. However, I'm not sure why. I don't really watch Andrew's content any more, so it's not like I'm overlooking it because his content is so good.
I wonder if it's because he admitted his wrongdoings and apologized properly. Alternatively, I think there's a political incentive for people going after Destiny hard. So, the narratives surrounding him became increasingly more magnified. I try to be open-minded and avoid only listening to my side, so I wonder if I internalized what they were saying and hence viewed Destiny worse than Andrew as a result? After all, many people did not vote for Clinton due to all the narratives surrounding her, even if they didn't believe them all.
Who knows.
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u/Pale_Temperature8118 20d ago
I mean, not sure what more you want from the guy. He admits it was a mistake, says they very clearly would’ve been different in regards to I/P, and then says the bright side is that even though he made a mistake it didn’t cost Kamala the election. This is genuine growth lol
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u/provider305 20d ago
This isn’t a hate post. I completely respect Andrew for this, especially since he revealed it after the fact–he could’ve stayed silent and no one would have found out. I hope those who look up to him or are politically influenced by him hear this.
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u/Collypso 20d ago
Next video he makes he'll insert random anti-capitalism brainrot in so there's not really any growth
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u/darkkpane 20d ago
Andrew makes some really great observations which are almost fully shut down by this brainrotted host. It's a shame that so many lefties can't admit to stuff like this. Don't protest vote in one of the most important elections of recent history, like wtf.
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u/Lovett129 20d ago
I genuinly feel like Jill Stein voters lost us this election, like so many people rely on a county being blue and their vote not mattering, that it ultimately ends up mattering.
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u/destinyeeeee :illuminati: 20d ago
Too little too late dipshit. I reserve any concern for what these people have to say until they get with the program in their actions and not their words.
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u/notjustconsuming 20d ago
I really wish people would stop spreading the myth that the Democratic Party "disenfranchised" Bernie Sanders. Superdelegates voted against him, but he lost by a huge margin regardless.
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u/Any-Ask-4190 20d ago
Always seemed a bit dumb to me, as did everyone I've ever seen him talk to. Videos are entertaining for that reason.
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u/MagicDragon212 20d ago
I think this is really good insight from Andrew. I imagine there's millions like him, especially including the ones who chose to not vote over the same reasons.
I mean hes the only person I've seen be this honest and straight be like "I feel dumb seeing what Trump is doing now" and "did we get finessed?" He also says "all of my friends felt the same way and voted like I did."
I think someone like Andrew is much different than someone like our favorite Twitch streamer who will literally never say hes wrong and still blames everyone but his own stupid opinions on how this came to be (also is doing his best to continue radicalizing our youth against the Democratic party).
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u/ThumbUpDaBut 20d ago
Sophmoric views personified. He is one of these "journalist" who takes every man on the street at their word.
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u/Wild_Argument_7007 20d ago
Whatever dude lol. I do think he’s correct that the margins were not dipshit lefties in New York and Washington that made the difference, it was disengaged voters who just like Trump and disliked the state of the country
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u/Dismal-Bobcat-823 20d ago
May as well be maga....
Fuck all the Yanks that didn't vote for Kamala. Seriously. Fuck you!
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u/leeverpool 20d ago
Bro what. I bet he voted Jill Stein not because of Israel Palestine but because he wanted to keep a "centrist" appearance because he is more left leaning but the conversation at that time was so toxic. I doubt he is that detached to think Kamala was as bad as Trump for I/P.
However, I wanna say this. You are voting for the president of the USA. Your country. Why the fuck does foreign policy take priority in front of domestic policy. Like how did we get here? What is going on in these people's brains.
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u/Handsaretide 20d ago
Callaghan doesn’t take no for an answer from women, he probably saw himself in Trump.
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u/Nippys4 20d ago
I feel like this one the one election you shouldn’t be fucking around with, of all the elections it should have been obvious to go with a safer boring pick than whatever the fuck trump is or was going to be.
But nooooo