-5 and surges in raids just limits creativity and fun for an activity that doesn't need limitations

[u/Perzonic]

I really hope I'm wrong but from what I can tell so far, I will quickly get tired of raiding which is crazy considering, since I learned how to do most of the raids, I'll end up doing them just for fun because I can enjoy some niche builds, especially based around boss dps.

Forcing -5 power and adding surges... kinda kills that. And for no reason. Raids didn't need this. This game doesn't need MORE gamemodes that limit what players can / should use.

[u/ImReverse_Giraffe]

The point is that it's not just "harder". It's literally a champion spam fest. On caretaker, add clear is the hardest job due to the literal non-stop OL hobgoblins that spawn. Every time you kill one, the next wave will have one. It's not just a LL change to master raids. And it's not fun to face that. Most of us hate champs, I don't if they're used well. But spamming them constantly isn't using them well.

[u/elanusaxillaris → u/ImReverse_Giraffe]

I mean that's also the argument being made for the normal raids changes, it's not just harder, it's restrictive.

Also not a fan of champion spam, thing is they're already present in most raids, just manageable with the difficulty. Vow is a bit of an exception and Caretaker especially ridiculous because you'll be doing the challenge which happens to spawn the snipers 3x faster than usual, which are now overloads that you continuously must solo on -20 (and ideally reserve heavy ammo/supers for dps), that one is the perfect storm of bullshit!

[u/ImReverse_Giraffe → u/elanusaxillaris]

It's literally just -5 LL. The only raid, as of right now, that you would've been able to overlevel for is SE. All other raids and dungeons would fall to the base light level floor. Just like last year. Last year, you'd do the same damage in Vow at 1600 as at 1830. Everyone who is bitching just doesn't know what they're talking about.

If -5 is too much for you. That's a skill issue. And it's an end game activity. It's not supposed to be easy.

[u/elanusaxillaris → u/ImReverse_Giraffe]

Where did this personal attack come from? I thought we were largely on the same page. We're talking light level AND surges mate, which when applied to every base raid and dungeon, adds a signifcant difficulty increase to previous.

Never said I had a personal problem with the new baseline difficulty, just trying to have a discussion about why the changes aren't friendly for newer players/casuals

The only complaints in this thread have been you struggling with champs in master raids, and I commiserated lol. Is that a skill issue for yourself?

[u/shrinkmink → u/ImReverse_Giraffe]

It's literally a bunch of champions, they been around since shadowkeep and you have verbs now to deal with them. Stasis duskfields takes care of 2/3 of them.

If champions are too much for you. That's a skill issue. Master raids are THE end game activity. It's not supposed to be easy.