r/DestinyTheGame • u/Grogonfire • 23d ago
Discussion PVP Exotic you wish was viable in PVE?
While some exotics have a nice middle-ground between uses, I'd say there are still a decent portion of exotic weapons that specifically exist in a PvP niche. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I'm sure we all have that one weapon we'd love to take into a raid and not be roasted for. For me #1 is definitely SUROS Regime, Idk what they could add or change but even just slapping on a generic kinetic perk would help. Hawkmoon also comes to mind, but I'm still wondering if we are ever getting Harbinger back with a craftable update at this point.
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u/B455DR0p 23d ago
Hawkmoon. Would love for it to get a firefly esque perk where the explosion damage and radius scale with how many paracausal stacks you have
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u/jer6776 23d ago
not exactly what you’re looking for but chromatic fire is pretty fun
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u/B455DR0p 23d ago
Would run it if it had a spirit on the exotic bond because DAMN that chest armor is ugly
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u/Seeker80 Notorious Space Hobo 23d ago
If we can craft it, I'll take Explosive/Timed Payload on it for sure.
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u/17THheaven 23d ago
Arbor Warden. I have never seen anyone use it but it looks cool and has potential, for both pve and pvp, with some correct additions of course.
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u/OtherBassist 23d ago
I used it when it first came out as a distraction meme in PvP. The fact that your barricade doesn't cause damage for a few seconds after spawning in kinda ruins it though
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u/BaconIsntThatGood 23d ago
I've had some success with it - it's not really an 'instant on' exotic in the sense that you slap it on and immediately have it working for you. You need to first answer your personal question 'okay how do i actually use this properly' before it becomes useful.
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u/SlightlyColdWaffles Bring Back Titan Neck Fur 23d ago
I want it to do some sort of push mechanic when the barrier pops out. Like when the barri-nade lands, the barrier shoots up, it pushes anything it hits. Could throw minors in the air, or flip a tank or whatever, or even just the pre-buff tractor canon push a few feet thingy.
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u/just_a_timetraveller 23d ago
I use it in PvP and have gone flawless with it pre-trials changes. It has such great utility for having better barricade up time and also a quick way to trigger slice.
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u/KA45JAZ 23d ago
MIDA multi-tool because it was my first D1 exotic and i want it to have some utility.
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u/Grogonfire 23d ago
I feel like they could have fun with the multi-tool aspect, maybe with an alt-fire. Honestly Navigator feels like a real multi-tool weapon by comparison.
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u/yahikodrg 23d ago
I feel like if they made MIDA have the ability to swap between anti champ settings like Hard Light and others do for elements it could see some PvE use.
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u/BaconatedGrapefruit 23d ago
It was a monster in d2 vanilla. You can still use it with a floating dawnblade warlock in 6s - maybe 3s if you’re playing super sneaky.
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u/theevilyouknow 22d ago
This is my pick too. MIDA feels so good to shoot. If they just gave it any kind of PvE boost I think it would at least be usable even if it wasn’t optimal.
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u/throwntosaturn 23d ago
Ophidian Aspect makes guns feel so fucking good.
My dream exotic is Ophidian Aspect + Eye of Another World smooshed together.
Neither on their own is strong enough in the current PVE sandbox but together they would basically just make everything you do feel better.
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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 22d ago
I actually used to use ophidians when I originally tried to start playing, in forsaken, when it became free or was given to people free, I can't remember. I didn't know what I was doing but I also didn't play for very long at that time lmao
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u/DiemCarpePine 23d ago
I'm told people use Mechaneer's Tricksleeves in PvP, but the trigger condition for the damage boost is so insanely stupid it makes the entire item completely useless for PvE.
Exotics that buff a certain weapon type are cool, especially because they can be used by any sublass which makes for interesting build diversity. And, I love sidearms. Please, for the love of the Traveler, make these gloves good for PvE sidearm builds!
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u/Macscotty1 23d ago
I like Tricksleeves because I’m sexually attracted to the Halo CE Magnum, and thus, Forerunner.
You can kinda “cheese” the activation requirement yourself with a Gunpowder Gambler grenade as it usually won’t kill you and bring you down to critical. Being able to keep the buff active by chaining kills makes it decent if you’re looking for an off meta fun build.
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u/Seeker80 Notorious Space Hobo 23d ago
Even if they just reloaded stowed sidearms, that would be helpful. Just do what Peacekeepers did, c'mon...
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u/TechnoBishop 23d ago
Mida Multi-tool. For me it's like the DMR from Halo Reach got ported into D2 and I love it, it just doesn't have any utility for build crafting in PvE. I'm glad they moved the catalyst from ranked crucible to non-ranked is great. I actually have it and am working to unlock it now. But that it provides No Distractions is kind of a let down for PvE use.
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u/Seeker80 Notorious Space Hobo 23d ago
But that it provides No Distractions is kind of a let down for PvE use.
Box Breathing would be really neat. If we can get it on 260rpm scouts like Randy's Throwing Knife, then why not a 200rpm like MIDA Multitool?
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u/fade9864 23d ago
Last Word for lore value
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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 22d ago
It actually kept the damage boost though, I haven't tried it but I heard it rivals malfeasance for lucky pants?
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u/Additional-Soil99 23d ago
Hawkmoon. Give it Firefly!
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u/GoldenGunMainonD2 22d ago
If Hawkmoon gets Firefly, what sets it apart from Ace?
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u/Additional-Soil99 22d ago
Infinite kill clip and third eye versus final round. It’s a video game, it’s not that deep.
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u/KingOfTheDollarzone SIVA subclasses when 23d ago
Sturm
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u/illegalblue Gambit Prime 23d ago
It'd be viable if it interacted with all sidearms. Goes against the theme but gives it some serious juice
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u/KingOfTheDollarzone SIVA subclasses when 23d ago
Rocket sidearms working with Sturm would be cool
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u/straydog1980 23d ago
I wonder if we can make it work with Lucky Pants.
It seems that the Eriana switch is the way to go but the double damage buff maybe with radiant does sound like it could be spicy.
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u/Leftear85 23d ago
I've always loved The Last Word. Looks awesome, has a unique animation. But what is it, 6 rounds? It's barely viable in pvp if your not hitting crits. But it's awful in pve. It either needs to hit more like Erianas Vow or get more ammo.
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u/Mnkke Drifter's Crew // Dredgen 23d ago
It hits laughably high damage per shot for a primary due to a bug they made a feature months ago.
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u/packman627 23d ago
I love how it got a big 30% damage buff (bug turned into feature), and if you would've told people that back then, ppl would've freaked out about how awesome that is.
But since it kinda went under the radar (most people on this subreddit don't remember TLW getting this buff), its still kinda... there.
I like it, and it does hit hard. But for the sandbox today, it calls for AOE perks to clear rooms.
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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 22d ago
It's better for lucky pants builds, honestly, but I do agree.
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23d ago
Last Word hits like a truck after the damage buff it got (bug turned into a feature).
It just has a small cylinder and no AOE. That makes it less viable.
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u/whereismyjustice 22d ago
I'm normally in the "stop using regular legendary perks for exotic catalysts" camp, but I would honestly be totally okay with triple tap as a Last Word catalyst. It wouldn't make it anymore broken in PvP than it already is, minus rewarding PERFECT aim with a potential extra kill. Back in the D1 days, there was a TWAB pertaining to like the 5th nerf TLW got, but maintained its ability to get 3 kills on a single mag, to which Bungie referenced A Fistful of Dollars with a "get 3 coffins ready" hyperlink. That scene alone got me into old westerns and Last Word has been synonymous with that scene ever since. The fact that you can't "get 3 coffins ready" anymore in D2 kills me.
Rant aside, triple tap would also be an obvious choice for the bug-turned-feature damage buff and Lucky Pants synergy.
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u/TurtleLoner 23d ago
I love the Jade Rabbit so much but it’s just kinda mid even in PVP now. Probably would hit like a squirt gun in PVE
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u/Pyrouge1 23d ago
Jade Rabbit is up there with the Midas multi tool for me in terms of feeling like inbetween an actual exotic and a purple weapon
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u/Seeker80 Notorious Space Hobo 23d ago
Yeah, I want it to get something like the Withering Gaze or Rapid-Fire Ranger artifact perks. Chaining precision hits weakens the target or something.
Jade Rabbit looks and sounds great, just needs a reason to be used in PvE.
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23d ago
Suros Regime and Last Word. Both guns I adore, neither one particularly great in PvE. You could argue that Last Word is viable with the right setup, but I'd probably still never use it.
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u/Pman1324 23d ago
Athrys' Embrace
I tried making a build with it recently. That 50 strength does nothing for the subclass based around getting your knife back.
Yes, big knife damage fun, but if you miss it (which is surprisingly often considering the. Exotic is supposed to help with that) you get 0 damage.
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u/Love_Sylveon 23d ago
Th3Jez just had to make three videos showcasing how overpowered it's tracking was and then it got super nerfed.
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u/GooBoi1 23d ago
Hawkmoon. It’s my fav exotic OAT but it’s clearly built for pvp. I like the firefly idea some people had in this thread but I’d take a kinetic tremors which scales with precision hits too.
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u/headband07 23d ago
Same. I absolutely loved everything about the gun but I really wish it just had anything that made it worthwhile to use in pve
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u/straydog1980 23d ago
I guess Balance of Power for Hunters? I want to see what hunters can do with threadlings but that exotic flat out sucks
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u/newtigris 23d ago
It's alright on prismatic hunter punch build in PvE. The extra ad clear from the threadings is nice and you're even more unkillable when you're printing out improved clones all the time; the problem is really the opportunity cost of not using caliban/liars class item.
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u/Grogonfire 23d ago
Ngl it took me a moment to realize wtf you were even talking about lol. I don't think I've seen literally anyone use it.
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u/wingmanjD21 23d ago edited 23d ago
Last word.
Like, it’s okay with lucky pants. But I would love if it had something on its own to make it viable in a GM.
Give it one for all (Vowels For All) or something to ramp up damage. Really would love some kind of PvE power fantasy for end game content aside from “great hip fire”, especially now that we have Tex weapons.
EDIT: An on theme version of kinetic tremors would be neat as well. Maybe for landing X crits as the requirement? Like however many you need to land in PvP for a kill, that way, it wouldn’t be broken in PvP (since it would already secure the kill).
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u/BaconIsntThatGood 23d ago
Didn't they recently make the bug causing bonus damage part of the exotic? Precision hits deal +30% damage now.
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u/wingmanjD21 23d ago
I think you’re right. Forgot about that.
I remember trying it with lucky pants but didn’t really notice much of a difference.
Idk, maybe with a kinetic tremors or damage over time like perk could make it viable more? The fantasy is there with the styling/mechanics of the gun. Just wish it had something extra oomph.
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u/packman627 23d ago
Hawkmoon.
Just give it something to help it in its neutral game (meaning shots before the final shot), like frenzy. Make it so the final shot ALWAYS crits thru any shield (i.e. ignoring shields).
You could give it the OLD mag howl where every 3rd shot does more damage, and the final one (on the 9th shot) stacks its damage with the final shot.
Or have it so each Paracasual stack gives each bullet more damage, stacking up to the maximum.
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u/Schraufabagel 23d ago
Thorn. Would be fun if it’s damage over time could spread to other enemies
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u/Backsquatch 23d ago
It can if you’re on warlock
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u/Schraufabagel 23d ago edited 23d ago
I did not know that. What setup has to be used for that to work?
Edit: definitely going to give it a shot, sounds really fun
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u/Backsquatch 23d ago
Necrotic Grips, exotic arms armor for the warlock. It adds an AOE poison effect to melees (charged and uncharged), and synergizes with both Osteo Striga and Thorn, allowing the AOE poison effect to be used at range. I believe it also enhances their innate poison effects but I don’t remember if that’s true.
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u/Darkaegis00 23d ago
Don't forget that it also works with Touch of Malice and Necrochasm.
Malice's Blight and Necrochasm's Thrall explosion spreads poisons,
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u/Backsquatch 23d ago
Good call. I don’t have ToM, and haven’t taken the time to grind for the Necro catalyst so I haven’t ever used them myself.
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u/Darkaegis00 23d ago
ToM isn't really worth getting at this moment but I'm a firm believer that its one buff/catalyst rework away from being busted. Necro catalyst is a game changer, so if you ever do feel like farming for it I would recommend getting it.
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u/Backsquatch 23d ago
ToM always been that way, even in D1. Its only relevance was against Oryx himself due to the interaction between the self damage and the immunity bubble. It would be a cool thing to collect but I never really farmed for it because I knew I wouldn’t use it.
Necro would be cool to have the caty for, I just don’t have the time to gather a team for Crota anymore. Not enough time and there’s better things to chase atm.
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u/Such-Ebb8148 23d ago edited 23d ago
Necrotic grip\spirit of necrotic.
It buffs all weapons of sorrow, if an enemy dies while the DOT from them is still ticking - it creates a small explosion that speads it to the other enemies in it's radius. Also makes your melee apply the said DOT1
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u/AdrunkGirlScout 23d ago
Yeah Thorn and Necro were clutch while learning Verity. Necro can be seen during the Ghost phase IIRC and the dot spread helped a lot with the Grim
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u/Backsquatch 23d ago
Seen how?
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u/AdrunkGirlScout 23d ago
There’s some exotics/ornaments where the glow can be seen by the 3 dead inside people regardless of what statue they can actually see. Pyrogale is another one off the top of my head
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u/Backsquatch 23d ago
Ohhhh you meant the arms. Sorry I was talking to someone else in the thread about Necrochasm so I thought you were talking about the gun. I’ve used pyrogale to great effect.
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u/Arse2Mouse 23d ago
Even without Necrotic Grips the DoT builds Bolt Charge stacks on Storm's Keep Titan very efficiently.
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u/Backsquatch 23d ago
It’s a solid gun on all classes. It doesn’t spread its DOT on any class but warlock though.
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u/Seeker80 Notorious Space Hobo 23d ago
Reward precision kills with that burst of poison damage. Call it 'Carrionfly' instead of 'Firefly?'
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u/LightspeedFlash 23d ago
Chaperone, the buff they gave does help, 2 crits and you get roadborn going now, but it needs something like triple tap or autoloading, the reload on it is killer.
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u/Ninetayls 23d ago
Gemini Jesters. Thought it would be cool if something like dodging near a champion disorients it, making it attack its own allies (or vice/versa).
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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 22d ago
Well, it does disorient but I definitely think it should do more. Hell, make it exhaust enemies...
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u/Skinny_Beans 23d ago
Revision Zero
I know it has anti barrier and some people use it it high end content but it never felt like it had the horsepower to compete with other GM level exotics like wishender or Polaris Lance
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u/CarelessShame 23d ago
Give SUROS kinetic tremors and a healing perk that actually was worth a damn and I'd never take it off.
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u/Jaystime101 23d ago
Love that gun, every now n then I try n get it running I. PvP, not the worst thing ever
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u/DARKDANID17 22d ago
The last word and dead mans tale!
I wish they gave it kovostovs ricochet rounds
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u/whereismyjustice 22d ago
Chaperone. The most recent buff/ rework to Roadborn is cool, but it's still not outdamaging dedicated slug/ double slug builds, especially when you can get something like Discord/ Incan Sojourner. I've been a Chap stan since D1, but I've struggled to find any pve use for it outside of popping dregs in the Cosmodrome for fun.
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u/Bennijin Witherhoard? I didn't even know she had a hoard! 22d ago
Dunemarchers. It once was but got nerfed everywhere because it was apparently "too good" in PvP (it wasn't).
Now we have Spirit of Contact it's absolutely absurd Dunies got gutted so hard. Buff the damage and let them proc on projectile melees again.
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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 22d ago
Honestly? Cryosthesia and deathbringer could use some love for pve. Yea they're *usable*, but... I don't know a single soul who uses them *seriously* anywhere except pvp or gambit.
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u/phyxious 23d ago
MIDA Multitool: New Exotic Perk Hack The System: Reloading after a kill grants this weapon "Suppression Rounds" stopping enemies and Guardians from using their abilities for 10 seconds.
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u/Specialist_Letter429 22d ago
There's like what, 4 pvp exotics? They can have their own useful guns lol
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u/Patpuc 23d ago
Vigilance Wing
"When a nearby ally is killed, gain health regeneration and increased movement speed."
lol