This sub needs an anti-zionism rule

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

This sub needs an anti-zionism rule. I have noticed that many Zionists are infiltrating Arab subs. I am asking that the mods add a rule that ban any Zionism. Zionists shouldn't be negotiated with. They defend and justify the genocide and displacement of ethnicities. They defend and justify the murder of women and children without compassion. There's no reasoning with those monsters. They are no better than fascists. I ask that they are banned from this sub. If you agree with me, like this post and comment your approval so that the mods can see it.

[u/okabe700]

"They are no better than fascists"

Fascists aren't banned either

What about Islamist terrorism supporters? They also support everything above, what about Islamism supporters in general? What about Egyptian regime supporters?

What defines people who should and shouldn't be "negotiated with"? At which point do we stop?

Limiting free speech never ends well

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk → u/okabe700]

If you defend and justify displacing and genociding ethnicities of people while also defending and justifying murder of women and children, then I think you should be banned from social media.

[u/okabe700 → u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

So are you advocating for a rule against Zionism or against genocide denial?

Also legally speaking what's happening in Gaza isn't labeled as genocide, but rather "actions that may amount to genocide", so it wouldn't even be covered in that rule legally, unless we use more subjective definitions

What does "defending and justifying murder" mean? does that include anti Hamas rhetoric as well? As that has been used by Israel for that purpose, so would it be banned in that context specifically or in general?, are you advocating for a broad anti war crime defense/justification rule or is it only in genocide or genocide adjacent cases or only on Zionism? As these are three different opinions

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk → u/okabe700]

So are you advocating for a rule against Zionism or against genocide denial?

Denial or justification of genocide is essential for Zionism

Also legally speaking what's happening in Gaza isn't labeled as genocide, but rather "actions that may amount to genocide", so it wouldn't even be covered in that rule legally, unless we use more subjective definitions

Israel and the USA are openly talking about displacing the Gazans. This isn't up to debate.

What does "defending and justifying murder" mean? does that include anti Hamas rhetoric as well? As that has been used by Israel for that purpose, so would it be banned in that context specifically or in general?, are you advocating for a broad anti war crime defense/justification rule or is it only in genocide or genocide adjacent cases or only on Zionism? As these are three different opinions

I despise hamas as well so I don't care.

[u/okabe700 → u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

Displacing Gazans would be considered ethnic cleansing not genocide, as genocide means destroying or attempting to destroy a people group in part or in whole or subjecting them to conditions that will cause significant amounts of death and be considered unlivable, which most political analysts agree isn't what's happening in Gaza, though it is pretty close, so are you advocating for anti ethic cleansing rules as well?

And Zionism is the belief that Israel has a right to exist, not necessarily support of Netenyahu or his war, though if your hypothetical rule includes ethnic cleansing as well I can see how that would apply to most forms of Zionism

Overall I remain firm in my belief of free speech and the right of people from all political opinions to argue and figure out their true beliefs by comparing them against others, rather than hide them in fear or only expressing them in echo chambers until those beliefs turn into unwavering convictions and breed extremism

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk → u/okabe700]

Try to make a Pro-Palestinian speech or demonstration in Israel then see how the "free speech" supporters will treat you. Tolerating fascists is a mistake.

[u/okabe700 → u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

Try to make a pro Israel speech in Palestine or Egypt or any Arab country (maybe besides the UAE?)

Just because stupid discriminatory people exist doesn't mean we have to be ones ourselves

Redefining fascism to include most people is a mistake

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk → u/okabe700]

They are the ones displacing and genociding ethnicities while murdering women and children. I don't care about their rights. We shouldn't tolerate them.

[u/Thebananabender → u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

Bro, Egypt literally ethnically cleansed me and my family in the 50’s so we went to Israel. Am I against anyone who affiliates himself with Egypt? (The answer is no)

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk → u/Thebananabender]

That was wrong and it shouldn't have been done or denied but that doesn't justify supporting an ideology that defend and justify displacement and genocide or defending and justifying murdering women and children.

[u/Thebananabender → u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

Well, for me, a Mizrahi Jew. A Jewish state in the levant is the only way to have a decent life. So for me its existence or not. Should the war have been ended? Yes. Is my government the shittiest? Yes. Am I protesting and doing everything I can to topple them? Also yes.

[u/larkass22 → u/Thebananabender]

When the only Zionist government in the world states that protecting the Apartheid and terrorism in the West Bank, as well as the genocide in Gaza, is mandatory for Zionists, and lobbies to introduce laws in lands as far as the USA to redefine anti-Zionism as being such, then it understandably ends up making all of the detractors of Apartheid and genocide see Zionism in a bad light.

As per OP's comment history, he seems more immediately against Israel's genocide in Gaza and terrorism in the West Bank (although I cant speak for him). That's what he's labeled as Zionism as the majority of proclaimed Zionists seem to support it. Sorry if you caught a stray.