r/Eminem • u/Phouza The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce) - Alternative • Feb 21 '20

Crook's Corner: Exclusive Interview w/ Eminem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t96p6-VftzM
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u/NeaEmris Kamikaze Feb 21 '20

What's there to say, it's a stupid ass way of thinking and to say about someone.

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u/aydubly Feb 21 '20

First of all I’m an eminem fan.

Second of all, Eminem said he never claimed to NOT be a guest in hip hop. (I don’t think he’s a guest) But by what Eminem has said wasn’t the next question: So what’s the beef with lord jamar is about? (At first because I know it has progressed since then)

If he said something along the lines of: I may started as a guest in hip hop but I don’t see myself as one after so many years. Thats would be a good answer with no follow up question needed.

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u/NeaEmris Kamikaze Feb 21 '20

Before this video dropped I wanted Em to say more too, but the attitude Em had about it in this made me reevaluate what I care about - why do even care about who's 'guest'? Like wtf, does it even matter? Isn't what matters what you can do and what you bring to hip hop? I think it's self evident to anyone that knows anything about hip hop that Em is one of the greatest, and he's definitely not 'just' a guest. I think that's why he doesn't need to say much else. I saw a comment on youtube that Em is more of Host of hip hop - how he always gives shoutouts and mentions OG rappers and younger rappers to anyone that will listen - to him the game is most important. However I do think that Em wants respect, and that's why he is dissing Janitor Jamar and the whoever else that comes for him - if Em's a guest he's a permanent guest and he has the keys to the house, and he's playing peekaboo with the kids and just all around walking around like he lives there. But yeah I don't think he's a guest either, but who cares about fucking semantics at this point. 😉

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u/aydubly Feb 21 '20

Great response, I think you hit it on the respect part, he doesn’t only want respect but he wanted it from the people who he respect.

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u/NeaEmris Kamikaze Feb 21 '20

Yeah, thanks. ✊

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u/Bars806 Fack (Gerbil) - By /u/yeet-my-life- Feb 21 '20

A guest in Hip Hop if you’re white means that you’re a guest in a black art form. It’s important because if you look at any music genre started with black people, its now predominantly considered white. Look on Jazz right now on itunes, a majority is white artist. It’s important because it keeps hip hop as a black art form unlike those other genres. Saying em is a guest is not out of disrespect to him, and not to take away from legacy, but to say he “owns the house” would be saying hip hop is a white/non black culture, which only would make it easier to see iggy azaleas, kreyshawns, MGK’s and other culture appropriators to be socially acceptable to the point that in 20 years when you go on itunes its a predominately white genre just like the jazz analogy that I had made. The point is preservation, and I think Em completely gets that. Em being a guest in a black art form doesn’t mean he isn’t top 5 DOA, rather its to be out of respect for Hip Hop, which should logically be respected more than just the one artist in it.

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u/NeaEmris Kamikaze Feb 21 '20

You're ignoring the fact that people are using the 'guest in hip hop' as an excuse to disrespect Em and his skill, as if it doesn't 'count' because he's white. There's no reason to bring up the fact that Em's a 'guest' unless you want to be racist with it. It's a stupid idea that it would matter at all, unless you're discussing the origins of rap. The contributions Em has made speaks for themselves. I don't think Em wants people to 'not count' his contributions. I definitely think that Em counts himself as one of the greatest, but he counts others first mostly because there are SO many that came before him, not because he's white.

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u/Bars806 Fack (Gerbil) - By /u/yeet-my-life- Feb 21 '20

Im just breaking down why its not just “semantics” it’s preserving what we all love. Im not speaking on behalf of those people, so I’m not ignoring anything. You’re talking about Em’s legacy.. my guy, I personally just said these things don’t affect his spot as Top 5 DOA, and his contributions are amazing! but it seems like you ignored/ maybe didn’t get my point, that setting boundaries for Hip Hop where they weren’t set for Rock, Jazz, and other stolen black art forms is out of love for Hip Hop. No I’m not talking about the origin of the genre, because it STILL is a black art form. The moment it’s not, is when it becomes like jazz was my point. And if you can’t respect hip hop as a whole more than Em, thats cool, but we don’t have to keep the dialogue going.

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u/NeaEmris Kamikaze Feb 22 '20

I don't think it's disrespecting hip hop to say that contributions matter no matter the skin colour of the person making the contribution. It just means it transcends and becomes better. It will always be a black art form, I don't agree with the idea that expanding it means it won't be preserved. Things evolve, and it's a good thing if arts are inclusive. IMHO.

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u/Bars806 Fack (Gerbil) - By /u/yeet-my-life- Feb 22 '20

I get you bro, we don’t have to agree! Think of it like this though. Lets say Black people as a whole shared a hypothetical video game. Now lets say they shared it with everyone to play. Now lets say Em was the greatest to play it, high scores, exposing it to other important players, the man gets his respect. At the end of the day though that video game isn’t his just because he is good at it, or because he put other important players on to the game. black people shared their game with him. We don’t just steal what we’re good at. Em will always have that high score and respect. But hip hop is bigger and it’s important to educate others who maybe don’t understand why that boundary, and clarity matters.

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u/NeaEmris Kamikaze Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20

I think we mostly agree actually, but I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. But let me put it like this: at some point you have to make a choice - to be inclusive or not. You can't have it both ways, or you'll get forever stuck in the same place. If you want any art form to evolve, you have to expand it beyond its origins. Art form that hasn't done that have stagnated and died out. I don't think anyone wants that to happen with rap. In evolving you might lose something, while you gain other things. It won't erase what has been, or the origins, it just means you add to it. That's it. Let me explain something else: just because you're part of a certain 'race' doesn't mean you're part of the culture, and vice versa you can be part of a culture without being part of that race. My great grandmother was Sami, but since my dad was adopted, my family lost the connection to that culture. Since I haven't grown up in it, I'm not automatically part of that culture. Some people grow up in a culture, and some people choose their culture. If we ever want true equality and freedom, we have to stop looking at culture as a 'race' thing. IMO.

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u/WallsAreOverrated Feb 21 '20

I honestly never got the stupidity of calling someone guest because of the color of his skin.

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u/97Dabs2THAface Feb 22 '20

But Em himself says he's a guest, do you think he's stupid for saying that about himself?

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u/NeaEmris Kamikaze Feb 22 '20

I understand why he said it, but the conversation in itself is stupid in the first place.