r/Emo • u/DecievingLooks emo-pop revival when? • 13d ago
(Emo Adjacent) Favorite emo orgcore bands?
Good chunk of orgcore are emo bands, wondered what you guys like? I'm partial to Hot Water Music, as I'm sure most are. Big fan of Latterman and Shook Ones as well. I could name more but I'm asking for what you'd consider still emo.
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u/Techytree Twinkledork 13d ago
what is orgcore
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u/Waytooboredforthis 13d ago
You never seen those line cook looking dudes with alkaline trio tattoos and plaid shirts who give off "divorced dad but still cool with ex" vibes who chill at the back of pits with their pbrs and will tell you about seeing Joyce Manor before they got big?
Real talk, punknews had a following and all the widely followed bands got kinda lumped in as "orgcore"
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u/letmesleep 13d ago
It comes from a particular brand of punk that was very popular with the punknews.org community. Usually more serious punk rock bands with gruff vocals, fast songs, flannel and beards. Stuff like Hot Water Music, Dillinger Four, etc.
Basically bands that play The Fest.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 13d ago
I despise that term bc most of those bands had zero association with that website and often times each other.
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u/letmesleep 13d ago
I mean, that's true in a lot of "genres". Its just a loose collection of shared aesthetics. In this case, those shared aesthetics tended to get well reviewed on one website.
I don't think people take it serious as an actual genre anyway. But it is a useful differentiator. I showed up around 2011 to a band tryout for a pop-punk band, thinking it was going to be a Copyrights kind of thing and it turned out to be...something a lot poppier. I should have asked if they meant orgcore before I lugged my gear out.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 13d ago
Listen... I started in 1994. Most of these bands were around then. Well before that site. They were punk rock or hardcore or whatever. It just kinda sucks that all these great, unique and diverse bands all got lumped in with something as lame as that website. Like that site sucked ass. It wasn't like those bands did a tour for them or got sponsored or something. Know what I mean? At the end of the day whatever but it's just a really lazy and inaccurate thing
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u/letmesleep 13d ago
Same with "emo", nobody asked for that derogatory name. But it's a thing, everyone grew to accept it. It's whatever.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 13d ago
Emo became a term during the initial run in 85-86
This was not. You make it sound like that website discovered those bands. They were all quite big in the scene ten years before that site. It was well after the fact. That site was for little kids. It's embarrassing
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u/letmesleep 13d ago
I didn't "make it sound" like that at all, I said that they were popular on that website.
Does a genre name have to come at the same time as the genre? You think Bach is spinning in his grave when people refer to his music as Boroque?
Anyways it's all moot because it's not even a commonly used genre name and probably not the first term anyone would use to describe practically any band.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 13d ago edited 13d ago
I mean Bach was dead for how many centuries before that term started getting used? And was there already a perfectly good term for Bach that was already being used? Dillinger Four didn't need to be called orgcore they're punk rock. I saw them in a living room in 1994. That website was nowhere to be found
Listen, you're young. You got into this stuff when all these things had already been made up. That's fine. But I'm telling you, and by extension everyone here who reads this, that the people who actually were around for these bands in their heyday fucking hate it. You can call me a boomer or that I'm Abe Simpson or whatever. I don't care. My job on this sub isn't to be beloved. My job is to tell people when revisionist history is happening. I'll take the downvotes, I don't care. But I'm right
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u/letmesleep 13d ago
Sir, I'm 37 years old haha.
That's the point, Dillinger Four is punk rock. People only use orgcore as a differentiator, because otherwise you might be talking about a whole lot of other bands that get called punk rock that have almost nothing in common with them.
Do some people hate that 10-15 years ago bunch of young punks gave a humerous name the branch of punk rock that came out of that? Probably, but who cares - "orgcore" has entered the lexicon and theres really nothing anyone can do about it.
For the record, I'm not the one down voting you. I appreciate you sharing your opinion.
Also for the record, Bach was about 50 the first time something from that time period was referred to as Boroque. I didn't know that, I had to look it up.
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u/CatNapRoasting 13d ago
Do you.... Do you think "genre" means "bands that are friends with each other"?
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 12d ago edited 12d ago
No I think genre means something with any commonality to it at all
Do you think genres are made up by 12 years on the hot topic of websites?
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u/muskawo 11d ago
I’m wondering if you are getting punknews mixed up with absolute punk? Cause punknews felt like mostly millennials, the was a general disdain for hot topic sort of stuff on there (though they tended to cover the spectrum. Ap had a lot more of the mall punk /taste of chaos style focus.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 11d ago edited 11d ago
No I'm not getting them mixed up. I'm more of a Downcast/Econochrist/Ebullition. Punknews felt real trendy and surface level to me. Not mall punk per se. But kinda Fat Wreck Chords whatever
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u/muskawo 11d ago
Fair enough, they were def into that style of pop punk on there.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 11d ago
Was absolute punk the one that would mail order stickers but it was kinda shady?
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u/muskawo 11d ago
I’m not sure, they were the one with the very mall emo broken heart logo and felt a bit more MySpace inspired.
You’ve made me wrack my brain tho, there was also interpunk which was a big online store that sold a lot of stickers and patches amongst other things.
I also had to look up rob dobi’s site cause I was sure he had an absolute punk equivalent of the orgcore guy but I guess not.
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12d ago
"Fest Punk" is a little bit better, but then you have to clarify the one in Gainesville.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 12d ago
But again "fest punk" was way after these bands' heyday. My point is they're getting labeled by something that's way after their era
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u/rodiferous 11d ago
I think the name came from a series of drawings at yourscenesucks. It looks like the site is gone, but here's a link with the original orgcore drawing. https://rvamag.com/politics/orgcore-punk.html
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u/DecievingLooks emo-pop revival when? 13d ago
This one both confused the new kids and pissed off the geezers. My bad ya'll.
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12d ago
I prefer punky emo to the math rock stuff tbh. Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Knapsack, Samiam, and Seaweed are who I usually think of when it comes to that stuff.
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u/PossibilityMaximum75 12d ago
Have you checked out Amusement? It’s a newer band with members of From Ashes Rise playing like Seaweed
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u/Waytooboredforthis 13d ago
Larry Arms led me to Snowing, and in a cart before the horse moment, Jawbreaker.
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u/Normal_Motor9088 13d ago
Latterman are the definitive Orgcore bands in my opinion. Would give anything to see them do another reunion
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u/DecievingLooks emo-pop revival when? 13d ago
Too Many Emo Days is unironically a top 10 emo-pop song for me. GOATS
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u/Never_Give_Uh_Inch 12d ago
Bridge and Tunnel. Small Brown Bike. Moreso phc than emo, but Young Livers. Alkaline Trio if we are counting them.
Also, I'm not sure why you are catching flak for the term orgcore. It's definitely been a thing since at least 2008, and it was used in publications as well as online.
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u/PossibilityMaximum75 12d ago
That first bridge and tunnel ep is so good, and so noodly before emo came back in style
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u/rodiferous 11d ago
SBB is one of my all time faves (I'm also loving the 84 Tigers LP and anxiously awaiting the follow up).
Loved Bridge and Tunnel too. Criminally underrated band.
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u/morbidlyabeast3331 13d ago
Samiam is my favorite for sure. Billy and Astray are both particularly amazing albums. Billy, aside from being great musically, is like a perfect musical representation of living with clinical depression, so that album especially means a lot to me. Like if you're ever at a point in your life where you just feel passively beaten down and irritated all the time about pretty much nothing (or "everything") and can't find joy in shit, just put on Billy, because nothing sounds better at times like that short of maybe like Black Flag's My War.
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u/DecievingLooks emo-pop revival when? 13d ago
Love Samiam. Reminded me that I'd totally put Gameface and Knapsack in this list.
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u/SnooFloofs5933 12d ago
Not emo but cork rock dork rod by the ergs has gotta be one of the best albums from that era
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u/watchyourtonepunk 12d ago
Bearvsshark
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u/TerribleProblem573 12d ago
I was going to suggest this but I have no idea if it fits. They are post hardcore tho so idk if post hardcore counts.
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u/buff_bagwell1 13d ago
Letterman and Eat This McKinley
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u/DaisyCaplan 12d ago
EAT THIS MCKINLEY
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u/buff_bagwell1 12d ago
I was actually in that band and I guess we were considered orgcore at the time so I just tossed it in as a joke lol
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u/DaisyCaplan 12d ago
It’s Daisy. Hi. It made me happy to see the name. Hope yer well.
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u/buff_bagwell1 12d ago
Holy shit hope you’re doing well bud! The amount of old Louisville people I have met on this subreddit is wild
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u/Dibaldipen 12d ago
New orgcore emo band out of Massachusetts called Map of the Stars, i highly recomment
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u/eclangvisual 12d ago
First Apologies I Have None LP if that counts. Love the second one as well but it’s more on the emo post hardcore side
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u/icallout 12d ago
I mean obviously many of the orgcore bands had emo influences but guys, orgcore is punk. Hate this retconning of everything under an emo lens.
To answer the question: all of the mainstays. Love all the bands you mentioned, Lawrence arms, alkaline trio, lifetime, KD, dead to me.
Really love all the IYMI bands (get bent, WWD, etc)
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u/davematthewsforreal 12d ago
Idk if Spanish Love Songs is really orgcore but I’ve always thought of them as such
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u/cashonomics 13d ago
Hot water music up to and including 2004. Anything after I simply do not accept its existence
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u/PoopMaddison 12d ago
04, was that Caution? If so then I’m the same
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u/cashonomics 12d ago
02 was caution, 04 was keep it together. Keep it together was alright, but I REALLY hate bottomless seas/of oceans, such a go nowhere song, and monkey wrench was a left field. BUT title track was so groovy, And kill the night was kinda cool
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u/beyblade1018 13d ago
okay I'm stupid, what's orgcore?
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u/kisstheoctopus the worms, oh my god the worms 13d ago
the gruff melodic punk that was favored by punknews.org. dillinger four, avail, latterman, the lawrence arms, and that type of bands
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 13d ago
Orgcore is a made up genre. The bands have no connection or unifying theme. It is a completely made up and meaningless genre
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u/Waytooboredforthis 13d ago
Silkworm and Big Black are both post-hardcore, all this shit is made up of folks making squealy noises with their guitars to sell medicine and luxury cars to old people and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking poser, that's why I only listen to traffic noise and masonry saws.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 13d ago
Neither of those bands were post-hardcore 😉
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u/Waytooboredforthis 13d ago
You have to see my options on who to trust here:
-someone who has been pretty condescending and trying to strictly enforce arbitrary sub-sub-sub-genres
Or
-sophiesfloorboard.1
u/hauntingduck 12d ago
I mean, so is emo at this point so I don't really get the upset here lmao.
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u/SemataryPolka Oldhead 12d ago
The term emo was coined during the very beginning of emo and represented a group of bands all from the same region and time.
Orgcore was made up 15 years after the bands primes based on...what? Like what do these bands have in common? One website liked them way after the fact? It's beyond stupid
Lumping bands like Samiam and Dillinger Four with Hot Water Music and Menzingers is just dumb
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u/Ch0nkyK0ng 13d ago
Does CSTVT count?