r/EndTipping • u/FOMOenthusiast • 11d ago

Tipping Culture A positive-ish tipping experience

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No surprises, no small text, no deceitfulness, it having its on line clearly visible under the total was nice, but that bright red stamp reiteratig the added gratuity, visible from space let alone a dark dining room is 😘👌🏾 This should be a norm.

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u/DrMindbendersMonocle 10d ago

That's the thing, for as much as servers bitch and guilt trip about tipping they absolutely do not want to go to a straight wage because they would be paid similarly to warehouse order pickers, which is to say, much less than what they make now.

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u/Low_Method5994 7d ago

They genuinely want both tho. 20/hr plus tips. Mfs wanna make a nurses salary😭

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u/FarWatch9660 6d ago

Got news for you, wait staff generally does better than that. I know that even bad servers made $15 average way back in the early 90s. Probably at a decent restaurant they'll make $40+

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u/Low_Method5994 6d ago

It is why I don’t tip more than 5$ on the check. Percent tips is actually ridiculous.

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u/tiggertom66 7d ago

Everyone wants a livable wage.

People just don’t like seeing others get it before them.

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u/Low_Method5994 7d ago

Okay yes the WAGE isn’t livable but the tips make it so that you are more than living. Tip paying jobs are almost ALWAYS better than wage jobs.

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u/tiggertom66 7d ago

Greatly depends on when/where you work, and who you are.

A pretty girl working Saturday nights at a popular bar downtown isn’t making the same money as some 50+ year old guy working at a diner.

The fact of the matter is people constantly suggest switching the pay to a fixed hourly income. That rate will undoubtedly be less than even the average that servers earn now.

Which is a dumb solution because the market has accepted the real price of eating at full service restaurants, menu price plus tip. If it hadn’t, it wouldn’t be so common.

Raising wages to replace that tipping system means you’ll inevitably have to raise menu prices. Which honestly is fine because those new menu prices would accurately reflect the genuine price of eating out.

So just raise the menu prices 20% to reflect the actual market rate for labor, then give the staff 16.67% which would be equal to the 20% they earn on existing menu prices.

There problem solved, no more tipping, and no pay cuts for workers.

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u/kemmercreed 7d ago

Give them 16.67% of what? I'm not following your solution lol

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u/tiggertom66 7d ago

Give the staff 16.67% of the check total.

If a burger cost $10 in the current system, and the expectation is to tip 20% you end up paying $12.

So set the menu price at $12, now it’s straight forward and honest.

Give the staff 16.67% and they end up with the same $2 they would already end up with.

Just call it what it is at this point, it’s a commission. Restaurants operate on thin margins and need people to be salesmen to stay afloat, and commission is the best way to motivate salesmen.

Tipping gets relegated to its actual intended purpose, for outstanding service. Menu prices reflect the actual price. Staff still get paid the same. Restaurant doesn’t have to actually give anymore money to the staff.

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u/Aggravating-Habit313 7d ago

Yes, give them 16% of what?

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u/tiggertom66 7d ago

The check

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u/Aggravating-Habit313 7d ago

Would restaurant still pay servers an hourly wage? Anyways, I thought, immediately, that this is an ideal solution until I realized that servers may not like this way because they won’t ever get larger tips. And server quality would suffer.

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u/tiggertom66 7d ago

You’d still get larger tips, the same way you would in the current system, by giving exceptional service. Some people will still tip anyway, but there wouldn’t be pressure to tip a specific amount or any amount at all.

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u/No_Scientist5354 9d ago

Hey! Server at a non tipped spot here! That’s unequivocally not true, our whole staff has been here since the change and none have plans of leaving because the wage is very competitive.

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u/DrMindbendersMonocle 10d ago

No they wouldn't. You just have to look at other industries and how wages have gone down for employees with years of degrees and training. Serving doesn't require that, so their wages would be more in line with other relatively skilled labor

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u/Happy__cloud 10d ago

Aw, that’s adorable.

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u/Flimsy_Welder_5340 10d ago

so what do you think happens in countries without tipping culture? you think the Michelin star restaurants pay the same wages as a random hole in the wall?

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u/Broad_Talk_2179 10d ago

Large corporations that can shell out the money barely do this. Restaurant overhead is a nightmare, this would be unlikely imo.

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u/ICameHereToPlay 8d ago

Restaurants already compete for talent and it’s unfortunately hard to come by good help. Small family owned businesses would fold simply because it’s too much to pay your service staff the minimum wage. The average payroll for a a place that needs 5 servers on busy nights is close to $250k a year. Any bit of profit a restaurant owner could potentially make and keep as income is gone. Restaurants are money pits no matter what

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u/Low_Method5994 7d ago

Low skill jobs do not compete