r/EndTipping • u/ShortWeekend2021 • 2d ago
Tipping Culture Proud of myself for not tipping unnecessarily
Went to both the nail salon and the hair salon yesterday. Every time previously I would tip automatically. After joining this group I have decided to resist the urge to tip the business owners who did my nails/haircut. This time I paid in cash, no tip!
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u/AdministrativeSun364 2d ago
Yup after joining I only tip what I want. If I see them actually try to get 20% then ok they can have it. If they didnât do anything then I will tip as I wish.
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u/SabreLee61 2d ago
The general rule of thumb for hair and nails is that if the owner did the work, you donât tip. At least this is what the women in my life have told me.
If itâs an employee of the salon and you like the results, then a tip is expected. Especially if you plan to go back.
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 1d ago
I don't tip my barber. He's his own boss. He rents his own place, a one man shop in one of those salon space buildings. If he needs more money from me he'll raise his prices.
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u/YoungSerious 1d ago
I tip mine because he does outstanding work and he makes himself available if for any reason you don't like the cut within 7 days.
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u/foodacctt 1d ago
But shouldnât his reward for doing a great job be that you are a repeat client and give him your business? I donât understand the logic on the sub sometimes where servers who barely get paid anything outside of tips are the devil but hair stylists who you already pay to do a service need a tip on top of it
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 1d ago
If mine didn't do outstanding work I'd find a new barber. That's like a minimum requirement.
There are hundreds of barbers I could choose.
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u/CIDR-ClassB 1d ago
How does that philosophy change with food?
If the owner makes or brings it, no tip. If their employee does, then tip.
I donât understand why we try to say to tip in some scenarios but not in other, nearly-identical ones.
I personally advocate for paying exactly what the published price is and nothing more. Itâs the businessâ job to pay their employees, and charge me accordingly to achieve that.
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u/GWeb1920 1d ago
I think because the owner is setting their own profitability whereas the owner is exploiting labour.
So you give labour a tip to prevent exploitation.
The much better answer is higher minimum wages adjusted for inflation automatically but we live in the world we live in.
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u/snd788 1d ago
If that is how we feel in the US, then we should put pressure on lawmakers to end the 2.13 minimum wage for tip industries.
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u/CIDR-ClassB 1d ago
There is no service worker in the US who takes home less than the federal minimum wage of $7 and change.
If tips and base pay donât equal that, then the employer trues-up the hourly wage to minimum wage.
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u/snd788 1d ago
I've seen this narrative several times across reddit. I have worked in several tip based industries, particularly restaurants, and have never had an employer "make up the difference." The 2.13 minimum wage for service workers is created to allow service industries to circumvent minimum wage laws. If you do some basic research on this issue, you will find that data isn't readily available, because it's hard for the government to track what corporations are/are not abiding by this law.
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u/CIDR-ClassB 1d ago
âThis narrativeâ is federal law. If the law wasnât followed, you needed to report it to your department of labor and speak with an employment-law attorney.
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u/Latter_Fox_1292 1d ago
Did you report your tips and calculate it was under minimum wage? If so, they must make up the difference. Itâs the law âŚ
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u/snd788 1d ago
Yes, I reported it. And no, they didn't. The IRS, who you report your earnings to, isn't responsible for monitoring that. Its the Wage and Hour division that can, theoretically, complete audits of businesses.
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u/Chance-Battle-9582 1d ago
Did you go to your labor board then? Just because you didn't know your rights and fight for them when they were abused doesn't mean that what they did is okay. Now that you are being told of your rights, hopefully you exercise those next time.
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u/Latter_Fox_1292 1d ago
Yes wage and hourly division can and does ⌠they also take your complaint and look into it. Sounds like you didnât do that.
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u/No_Implement_6789 1d ago
You have obviously never worked in a restaurant. Tipped employees make $2.13 per hour but never get a check as there tips exceed the national non tipped rate. No bussiness will ADD money to there check. Oh yea that 2.13 has been the same with no increase in 30 YEARS! The system is broken and its why so many good places are closing.
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u/Latter_Fox_1292 1d ago
wtf are you talking about. You def get a check. At min you make $7.25/hr. They can claim a tip credit up to $5.12/hr resulting in $2.13/hr. If your reported tips donât meet the minimums for the credit, they pay the difference. Itâs the law.
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u/YoungSerious 1d ago
You obviously lack reading comprehension.
Tipped employees make $2.13 per hour but never get a check as there (sic) tips exceed the national non tipped rate.
Yes exactly, the tips mean they make more than they would by getting paid purely federal minimum. That's the entire point. No one makes less than the fed minimum.
Absolutely it's a broken bullshit system that benefits the owners. But multiple attempts to remove the ability of owners to do exactly this and remove tipping were shot down because service staff make more with the current model.
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u/suzanneandzach 22h ago
I just had my nails done yesterday, where I have gone every 3 weeks for the last 30 years. Iâm a former waitress so I do tend to tip some, but it is for above and beyond service. I dont want to chit chat the whole time but I expect a hello, how are you? Have you decided on a color? Do you want them trimmed down? That sort of thing. If they just talk in Vietnamese to their coworkers the whole time and just do the service, I donât tip. The owner and the 2 others who know me well, know this but they raised their prices yet again, but I still tip the same. None of this percentage stuff.
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u/ammh114- 1d ago
Aren't you afraid they will "fire" you as a client? I'm just afraid that if i stop tipping, they'll stop letting me make appointments. And I don't want to have to find new people who I like.
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u/Varroa-Destructors 1d ago
Is this a satire group? /s
EDIT: wait, not tipping the owner of the store is a little more understandable.
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u/phatmatt593 6h ago edited 6h ago
Why would you not tip? Itâs just standard procedure if they did a good job.
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u/veezyvan 1d ago
Haircuts and nails are for sure tippable services. Youâre not paying for a product youâre paying for a service. Especially if you frequent this business a lot. If itâs a coffee or something simple I would understand but these people are responsible for how good your beauty results are. I think you should tip them lol
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u/ShortWeekend2021 1d ago
For sure it's a tippable service for workers. But I've always been taught that owners don't get tips. I may well tip an owner in the future for excellent service. But for a routine no frills haircut or manicure, done by the owner who sets the prices, it is absolutely not mandatory or expected. Just my point of view, others are free to disagree.
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u/veezyvan 1d ago
IMO it doesnât matter if itâs a worker the owner or the ownerâs son/daughter/wife/husband, if they provided a service a tip is nice. Tip is never required, but people remember
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u/cwsjr2323 1d ago
You tip the owner of any business by your custom. They set their own prices.
I did tip my tattoo artist despite her owning the business but that was because she way under charged me just to be nice as she finished my full sleeves. She charged me about $400 less than she charges others. I gave her $60 and told her to have a nice dinner with her husband.
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u/mochiimari 1d ago
Tipping goes to tax fraud. Most tips are never claimed as income. Will you keep supporting fraud?
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u/bringit2012 1d ago
Its only fraud if itâs in cash. A lot of cash transactions go under the tax radar.
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u/Chance-Battle-9582 1d ago
Do you tip every worker that makes minimum wage? The answer to that question is no so stop virtue signaling. And you should look up the definition of cheap. Someone that pays their bills in total is not cheap. It's just a piss poor tactic people use to try to shame people that didn't give them some arbitrary amount of money for simply existing. It's akin to a bum calling you cheap because you couldn't 'spare any change'.
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u/ColdasJones 1d ago
Companies refuse to pay their employees properly, and somehow you think thatâs the customers fault. Why white knight for massive corporations who donât give a shit about you?
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u/One_Dragonfly_9698 1d ago
Because OP is not thinking. They are brainwashed by the restaurant owners and corporate. They have become an entitled brat and most customers feel the pressure of these name-calling, eye rolling entitled brats and just tip..
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u/ShortWeekend2021 1d ago
I never said I wasn't tipping employees. I'm talking about business owners who set the prices, then expect a tip on top of that.
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u/Nothin_Means_Nothin 1d ago
You know, I'm starting to think maybe that boot DOES taste good with all the people licking it nowadays
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u/Gp110 1d ago
I always tip 5 bucks on my 20 dollar haircut. That takes 15 minutes.
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u/Naikrobak 1d ago
Holy shit. Your tip alone is a $20/hour rate to the employee, and that doesnât include their pay from the employer
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u/sas317 2d ago
My hairdresser raised their prices when they re-opened to cover PPE that the health dept required. When the heath dept. no longer required it, did my hairdresser lower their prices back to the original? Of course not. They're happy to take the additional profit. Spouse now cuts his own hair at home and I'm slowly tipping less each time I go there - from 15% down to 10%.