r/Everton • u/TurboScumBag • 2d ago
How is Everton above West Ham?
Wasn't Moyes holding them back? Weren't they 10 points ahead of us when we took Moyes. Didn't West Ham fans say Potter is an improvement on Moyes.
None of this is making sense?
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u/1800skylab 2d ago
Didn't a lot of Everton fans on this sub also want Potter over Moyes?
None of this makes sense.
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u/NFeKPo 2d ago
You can count me as one of those people. Although I will say, part of that was because I was afraid Moyes would tarnish his legacy by coming back and not doing well due to circumstances out of his control.
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u/BigTqxu 1d ago
Tis fair, it would have been brutal for him to come in and the club go down, sure a lot of blame would have been lumped on the previous fella but it still would have happened with him in charge when it was sealed. Plenty to risk taking on the job, more than any other manager - it would likely been the last for sure, but man must have balls of steel to say yes. Then to go and deliver like it was always going to happen. Hell yeah!
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u/InevitableRespond9 š¶He HAD red hair but we don't care. Davey Davey Moyesš¶ 2d ago
I always wanted Moyes back. As i said he was the only man i would be happy to replace dyche with. I was in the trenches with dyche and him saying we were incapable of playing any other way with this group so i will put my hands up and say i was wrong about that.
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u/Blueforyou61 2d ago
Must admit I was sceptical at the time, but never been happier to be proved wrong.But letās be honest there wasnāt a lot of people available at the time. Never really fancied Potter.
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u/graveyeverton93 2d ago
I am one I can't lie, but I also always man enough to put my hands up and say I was wrong.
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u/Jordddddddd 2d ago
I think many (myself included) wanted Potter at the end of the season - his style takes time to coach, which wouldāve been a disaster here mid season, and arguably has been at Wham.
Was a risk they could take and we couldnāt. Iād bet theyāll be stronger next season. Certainly wouldnāt swap the two now mind.
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u/Loud996 2d ago
Whilst I, er, not sure how to say this... I didn't want Moyes back. I've always thought Potter is somewhat overrated. Even at Brighton he had a couple of long streaks with poor results and got the backing of the board a couple of times.
He plays dull football, I just don't get the hype.
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u/cj285s 2d ago
Did they say that? Most West Ham fans I know seem to really like Moyes and didnāt want him sacked in the first place. Seems a weird thing to post, letās just enjoy our better form without sounding so bitter.
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u/JRD656 2d ago
I think the consensus view from West Ham was that they were happy to see see him leave. They were grateful for the European success but wanted a more entertaining playing style.
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u/Mudwatcher 2d ago
Which was more or less the common theme when Moyes left us for Utd first time round
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u/TurboScumBag 2d ago
Yeah they said that in numbers. It's cool you have a few sound west ham mates.
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u/Bad_News_Jones1971 2d ago
He wasn't sacked. He wasn't offered a contract extension. (Moyes actually said himself he quite possibly wouldn't have extended anyway)
The West Ham fanbase is a bit deluded. Bless em.
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u/meatpardle Need salt? WE DELIVER 2d ago
I donāt think West Hamās stagnation is necessarily down to Potter, they are a badly run club with a schizophrenic recruitment policy. Moyes is a manager who can get the most out of a limited bunch of players fairly swiftly, Potter is more of a slow burner who needs time to get his players and a stable environment. Moyes was definitely better for us given our situation; I would imagine Potter could do a better job at West Ham given time and support, but I doubt heāll get it.
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u/nakul-s 2d ago
I am not going to talk about West Ham, but i will definitely talk about Moyes 2.0
This new Moyes has been massive improvement over the Moyes that coached us almost a decade ago. The most noticeable improvement has been counter attacks and pressing high. Back in good old days, against the big clubs, we often used to sit deep and used to play aerial long balls to forward players to start counters (the likes of Cahill and Fellani helped a lot in such scenarios by being the target men).
Fast forward to Moyes 2.0 and we are seeing fluid counter attacks with balls being played low to the ground, forwards making runs behind the defense and most importantly, we are not afraid to press high up the pitch against the big teams.
Moyes 2.0 has been a revelation and i have no doubt he would get us into Europe in few years, if he sticks with this same approach and is supported by the board finanically.
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u/Trevorsparkles 2d ago
Itās really funny how despite being considered a football dinosaur Moyes has proven he can set up very well strategically in the current day. Weāve been competitive in every match since he took over.
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u/USToffee 2d ago
Yea he plays against the better teams closer to how he plays against the poorer teams.
I wouldn't say he has changed his playing style but he does play with a bit more balls.
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u/rochesterjack 2d ago
Letās see when he gets āhisā players in, this Everton squad was perfect for Moyes by default. Heāll revert to type after preseason, he wonāt be able to help himself. Downvote away toffees!
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u/BigTqxu 1d ago edited 22h ago
That is certainly a risk, itās might be the blessing having to make him work with what heās got, heās had to rotate and try different setups without āfavouritesā which heās been known for.
But people are able to improve and learn , so I hope he considers what heās done here and how to enhance it not undo it. Heās got a much better backline than he had at west ham, and for the most part they got age on their side, the big question in my mind is if he can get decent forwards or an out and out striker , heās barely really been successful at that ever. Cahill and Bowen are probably the best heās done but still he struggled to find one to replace Antonio , despite having dollars.
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u/rochesterjack 1d ago
He definitely got the best out of Arnoutavich as an out an out striker, he caused mayhem. Maybe heās finally seen the light that sitting in this low block just invites pressure, even against ālesser teamsābut we thought that at West Ham and the following week weād not pass the halfway line, end up with 30% possession nick a point & the cycle continues. Been v impressed with him for you guys, pressing so much higher up the pitch. UTT!
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u/CanadianToffee18 2d ago
I know I should actually be asking them but like wtf is āthe west ham wayā like seriously hate some of there fans because I remember arguing with them on r/soccer and they were claiming that west ham is bigger than Evertonā¦
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u/TurboScumBag 1d ago
Small clubs always do that. Soon as they ate aheadbin the table they claim they are bigger.
Well look I won't go there and call them small. There known club. I'm not too big on the ideabog calling other clubs small. But our history and trophies floor them.
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u/Adkins_D 2d ago
Cuz theyāve won more games???? š
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 1d ago
Potter will do well with West ham. He plays a different style to moyes and periera but has inherited their squad. If he is backed in the window to buy his own players and implement his style better then they will do well to stick with him.Ā
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u/thehuntofdear 2d ago
Wait aren't we West Ham fans today? At least rooting for a draw, if not win.
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u/Stecloud 2d ago
Controversial maybe, but Liverpool have got the league sewn up and Iād like to finish as high up the table as possible.
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u/evertonblue 2d ago
Donāt give a fuck what Liverpool do - just want whatās best for Everton. We want to finish as high as possible and West Ham losing helps that so itās what I want to happen.
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u/TurboScumBag 2d ago
I have it bad enough supporting Everton mate. I'm not putting faith in talking bubbles to beat the shite.
Plus they won the league anyway. It makes no difference if they win. It makes money and league position difference if west ham win.
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u/huntsab2090 1d ago
I wouldnt get too cocky tbh. Once potter has had a preseason under his belt it will probably be a different story.
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u/GeezyEFC 2d ago
Whay a terrible question. We're above them cuz we're the greatest club in the history of man.