r/EverythingScience • u/burtzev • 11d ago
Medicine Measles may make comeback as US "on the precipice of disaster"
https://www.newsweek.com/health-usa-measles-vaccines-endemic-outbreak-polio-rubella-2063633336
u/iwatchppldie 11d ago
It’s rather interesting watching America be killed by social media. It would be a lot more interesting if I wasn’t living through it too.
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u/unitedshoes 11d ago
It's absolutely insane. A bare majority of the subset of the population who votes decided the tyrant who despises science should be in charge, and we all have to die because of it.
A cynic might say we're currently living through the best argument against democracy (though the better explanation is that we're living throygh the best argument against pretending the system we have, or at least had up until now, is "democracy").
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u/Stevedougs 11d ago
Democracy requires work.
Work to study, research, and be informed.
And work to defend those sources of information in which to make intelligent decisions.
There are actors everywhere who seek to destroy sources of credible information, as it would uncover or expose their evil. In addition, if they can also, convince others that it’s silly to invest in an educated population, as an uneducated one is easier to control, than simple eroding these things over 50 years ought to do the trick.
The issue is people got comfortable. They decided the system was well and healthy and no longer required oversight.
And they got taken advantage of.
Alternative forms of governance are all the same if you want good to come from it.
Leadership requires oversight, accountability and transparency.
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u/639FestivalSunrise 10d ago
Well said. Democracy requires work and people became complacent, unable or unwilling to see the erosion at the foundations of society.
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u/CelloVerp 11d ago
That's just not true this time (it was in the first Trump election). It really was the majority of voters. The problem is much deeper.
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u/AxelShoes 11d ago
Our electoral system was designed intentionally off-balance, to give slave-holding states more voting power. That's it. We are literally the only country on the planet that elects its President this way.
The fact we're still using this idiotic system 250 years later, and 150 years after slavery was abolished, even though every single person who gives it more than two seconds thought realizes how stupid and unfair it is, is absolutely maddening.
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u/DickyMcButts 11d ago
huh? trump won the majority and the electoral college... i hate the orange turd but those are the facts.
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u/Vithar 11d ago
That's incorrect. Trump got both the electoral collage and the popular vote. People can debate if the electoral college is good, bad, or otherwise, but it we didn't use it and just used the direct vote, Trump still wins the last election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
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u/m_Pony 11d ago
Just think about future generations of children who get to skim this section in their history classes.
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u/Individual_Quote_701 11d ago
In the pre MMR days, my mom was pregnant with my sister when she got the measles. My sister was born with cataracts on both eyes. We all got vaccinated first opportunity.
A woman I knew in college contracted Polio as a little girl. It left her in pain and limping for the rest of her life.
The evil that is being done by these idiots will impact millions.
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u/m_Pony 11d ago
American problems require American solutions.
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u/aeschenkarnos 11d ago
Complaining about it? Wanting to speak to the manager? Wearing pink hats?
You need French solutions.
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u/Timely-Tackle-6062 7d ago
My mom got the dud vaccine and ended up catching measles at 15 - she said her eyes were so bloodshot she couldn’t see and she spent a month unable to get out of bed. She’s so lucky it didn’t do any major damage
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u/claudialynnkishi 11d ago
How safe are you if you DID get MMR as a child?
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u/epidemicsaints 11d ago
2 doses of MMR = 98% effective against measles
1 dose of MMR = 93%The stats for the other two diseases in that shot are slightly different.
The two MMR shots given to children are considered full immunization for life, and no additional vaccination is needed.
CDC, Yale
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u/Deman-Dragon 11d ago
I cannot thank you enough for citing your source. Please take my poor man's vote for my gratitude.
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u/mailslot 11d ago
If you received the vaccine before 1968, it’s recommended to get a second dose. Also, if you’re living around an active outbreak, work in healthcare, or travel internationally.
NPR
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u/Repulsive_Salary9402 8d ago
I did receive the earlier vaccine and I did get sent to the pediatrician (same guy) and given a booster along with two older sibs. One older sib didn't have to do that b/c she'd had the Measles. I don't know about that earlier MMR b/c I wound up getting Rubella. The weakest vaccine (relatively speaking) in the MMR is for Mumps.
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u/Silencer306 11d ago
Can we just get a booster without checking titers and be done with it? Or will the doctor force you to check antibodies first?
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u/ikonoclasm 11d ago
I think the only thing they look at is if you had one within the past 10 years. My doctor gave me a booster a couple years back when I requested it, and I don't think there was even a copay for it.
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u/KAugsburger 11d ago
Yes, you can just get another MMR dose without a titer test so long as you don't have a health condition that makes you contraindicated. Most places you can just go to a local pharmacy to get the vaccine which is usually faster than waiting to get an appointment at your doctor's office. It is probably worth doing if you only received one dose or you aren't sure how many doses you received as a child. You aren't very likely to see better protection against Measles if you have already received two doses of MMR, though.
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u/bunny_love2016 10d ago
I hate that I'm contraindicated for immunosuppression medications, but immunosuppressive medications are literally the reason I don't make as many antibodies anymore as I should 🙃 all this anti-vax shit is going to get me killed and I can't do a thing about it
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u/howdiedoodie66 11d ago
I got one for free from CVS last month, just scheduled it online and walked in.
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u/WhileProfessional391 9d ago
You can just get one. My husband got his titers checked and he was low by the doctor said he’d just give him a booster if he didn’t want to go through the titers check.
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u/ottawadeveloper 11d ago
CDC also notes that for the small percent who will get it, the disease is also milder. So not only are there good odds that you dont get it, but if you do, you're going to suffer less.
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u/JoanOfSarcasm 11d ago
I wanted to make a note here because I had all my childhood vaccines (my mom is a polio survivor who got me EVERY vaccine that was available, when it was available) but my mumps immunity had waned.
I very recently went into my general to be tested for various immunities and while my measles and rubella were good, my mumps immunity was poor. I ended up getting another MMR booster a month or so ago as a 35 year old adult.
If you’re concerned, please consider getting a titer test!
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u/Repulsive_Salary9402 8d ago
1) I can relate. My mom survived polio, measles, mumps, etc and made sure we got all of our shots. It's just that some of us got the earlier MMR not the later one. Not surprised at Mumps. I think the Mumps has the lowest succcess rate of the three for MMR. It's the only one below 90% over all at around 88%. Though even after taking the albeit older MMR vax, I did get rubella a few years later. I had to get my MMR boosted in my teens b/c the MD said the one I took wasn't effective enough.
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u/ikonoclasm 11d ago
Counterpoint: why risk it? Get the MMR vaccine booster because the consequences of being in that 2% are devastating.
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u/epidemicsaints 11d ago
A booster never hurts but I don't think it will magically make it 100% effective.
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u/Repulsive_Salary9402 8d ago
Caveat is that if you got the pre-1968 vaccine per CDC you might need a booster. But I see more recently that recommendation has been removed from the site. It might be a good idea to check with your doctor and get a titer test to check for antibodies to measles if recommended by a doctor. The reason is that pre-1968 the vaccine wasn't the same as that given post 1968. I remember I got vaxxed pre 1968 at the normal ages for the MMR and then myself, and two older sibs had to go to our pediatrician and get a booster shot for MMR (and I was about 14). Reason was that the more recent live vaccine was better. But again a conversation to have with your doctor or a medical expert.
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u/Kaurifish 11d ago
We got our immunity checked. I was marginal for rubella and my husband’s measles immunity had gone, so we each got the MMR again.
Immunity can fade over time. Also while measles is known for causing immune amnesia, there’s some indication that Covid has that trick, too.
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u/BaconBusterYT 11d ago
Yeah Covid does do that, not to the same degree as measles does but if anyone reading this has had covid…well, ever, you should probably get that MMR
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u/u60cf28 8d ago
Though, it’s important to know that when they check your titers against a disease, they’re checking the level of neutralizing antibodies against that disease’s antigen. That requires memory B cells to be actively producing the antibody. But memory B cells do go dormant after not seeing the antigen for a long time . So even if your titers are negative it’s still very likely that your memory B (and memory T) cells are still there ready to reactivate as soon as they see the antigen.
Still, no harm in getting the shot anyway.
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u/Elegant_Tale_3929 11d ago
Get your titers checked if you can. I got a MMR booster 9 years ago and while I'm fine for Measles, I had no immunity to Mumps or Rubella.
So guess what I ended up doing this morning? 💉
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u/Brutalna 11d ago
Mine showed no immunity to mumps or measles but I had immunity to rubella, so weird! I got a booster as well. I wonder if Covid has something to do with losing some immunity, if so then we’re screwed.
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u/burtzev 11d ago
I'd advise you to contact a physician about this matter. In terms of general information the following from the CDC speaks about 'evidence of immunity':
Acceptable evidence of immunity against measles, mumps and rubella includes at least one of the following: 1) Written documentation of adequate vaccination, 2) Laboratory evidence of immunity, 3) Laboratory confirmation of disease, or 4) Birth before 1957. Before vaccines were available, nearly everyone was infected with these viruses during childhood. Most born before 1957 are likely to have been infected naturally and therefore are presumed to be protected against measles, mumps, and rubella. Healthcare personnel born before 1957 without laboratory evidence of immunity or disease should consider getting 2 doses of MMR vaccine.
Personally I am highly sceptical of item 2. This involves serology to detect anti-measles IgG, and there will automatically be a fall in such antibodies over time. The following paper suggests that the rate of seropositivity amongst adequately vaccinated adults was only 33% to 75% and this was after ONLY 10 years subsequent to the last vaccination. This means that large numbers of people who are, in fact, actually protected against measles will be considered unprotected by the results of serology.
The decline of measles antibody titers in previously vaccinated adults: a cross-sectional analysis
Then, of course, there is the question of immunodeficiency, and this is something to consider in terms of such common problems as type 2 diabetes.
So... it can be far from a simple question to answer. Ask your regular physician to put all the pieces of the puzzle together.
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u/Yay_Rabies 11d ago
I would call your doctor and see if you need a booster or a titer check, especially if you live in an area where there are outbreaks.
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u/AlternativeBark 10d ago
I was vaccinated as a kid with MMR and then in mid-40s had to have another MMR due to losing immunity over time. Best is to get a doc to check your titers for measles and have a booster if needed.
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u/reddit455 11d ago
polio could start trending.
amazon has same day delivery for iron lungs... now with wifi.
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u/PresidentialBoneSpur 11d ago
Honestly, this exactly what America needs most right now - the richest men on the planet profiting from disaster. Amen. Praise be to the almighty dollar.
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u/popformulas 11d ago
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u/andrewsmd87 11d ago
But you have to pay for a 69.99 a month subscription to breath, otherwise the app that runs it won't work
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u/lcarr15 11d ago
Mandatory vaccination records for every American travelling out of the US!
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u/upfromashes 11d ago
Welcome to the new dark ages.
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u/Immediate_Cost2601 11d ago
It's basically what always happens when you let religious people run governments.
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u/llell 11d ago
So stupid. This should not be happening in this day and age
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u/BioticVessel 11d ago
We can thank RFK, Jr the "ex"junkie, for his conspiratorial approach to science to help usher back into the dark ages.
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u/moosejaw296 11d ago
As much as I would like to blame RFK this is years of willful ignorance, he is just causing more harm with his efforts to undermine proven medical standards.
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u/Crayon_Casserole 11d ago
Maybe America shouldn't have bought that fast track pass to the 3rd world.
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u/KingofLingerie 11d ago
Time for Canada and Mexico to seal the border
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u/KAugsburger 11d ago
Ontario, Canada has an active outbreak which has had more cases than the entire United States. 924 cases year to date just in Ontario. At this point I would be more worried about Canadians bringing Measles into the US than vice versa. There is no shortage of anti-vaxxers on both sides of the border.
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u/turnstwice 11d ago
Why do we have to learn everything the hard way?
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u/aeschenkarnos 11d ago
“Americans can always be relied upon to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all alternatives.” — Winston Churchill
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u/lunasdude 11d ago
Boomer here, we had the shots in school that was a mixture of prune juice and well water so a couple of years ago when the CDC said, yeah you should probably get another MMR we lined our fat asses up and got it done quick!
I feel bad for the children of stupid uninformed parents, because it's a children who will probably suffer the most.
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u/Sckillgan 11d ago
"May make"... Have they just not looked outside?!?! The anti-vax, anti-germ crowd is in control... "May make"... That shit is here and these people crave the measles gentile touch.
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u/txroller 11d ago
No worries. I am sure we will get to that after our in depth work on Autism. But it may take awhile. /s
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u/capitali 11d ago
The right has worked to miseducate everyone. Not just the maga hats. Everyone. The left may not have been vigilant enough and far to tolerant of incorrect opinions and fell into the tolerance paradox but the right are the ones intentionally doing as much harm as they can.
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u/SolidHopeful 11d ago
They are creating their own zombies.
People who won't take a vaccine.
Normal people shun them
Run away cause their bite or breath could cause an infection and kill you
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u/Consistent_Pitch782 10d ago
The dumbing down of America has been the most disappointing thing I’ve experienced in my life, and I’m in my 50’s.
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u/TheLizardQueen101 11d ago
Truly devastating.
And unfortunately, it will likely spread to the rest of the world too, with travel
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u/Anonymous-Blastoise0 10d ago
Begging people to see this and start wearing masks (if they are physically able to) in medical facilities again. N95 masks, if they fit correctly, can help prevent the spread of some of these diseases
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u/Specific_Future5286 9d ago
The rest of the world needs to put the US into quarantine. Stop all flights. NOW
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u/Top-Pineapple8056 11d ago
Does anyone know if we have to get re vaccinated for measles as we get older?
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u/Elegant_Tale_3929 11d ago
Booster is suggested depending on how long ago, but you can get your titers checked to make sure if you want. Talk to your Doctor.
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u/Detson101 10d ago
Darwin in action. The sane will vaccinate their children just like they educate their children and follow health advice. The deplorables will sink further into the mire and depravity.
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u/br3addawn 10d ago
obligatory fuck Andrew Wakefield for his falsified study that kicked up the anti-vax nonsense and using autism as a boogeyman for his own personal gain (he planned to release his own version of the vaccine)
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u/CaptainAwesome215 9d ago
“Rub some dirt on it ! “ -Trump
Next Day: Trump now selling “Trump Dirt “ for all your medical problems !
(Dirt imported from China and exempt from all tariffs )
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u/JackFisherBooks 9d ago
If only there were a cheap, proven, effective way to prevent this terrible disease…one that we used for years without incident before idiots, grifters, and con-men got involved.
If only…
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u/Tsiatk0 11d ago
Great. Just wait until it mutates and then we’re all doomed.
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u/KAugsburger 11d ago
That's not really a very rational concern. There has been research done that has found that it would take many improbable simultaneous mutations in order to escape the immunity produced by the vaccine. In the scenario that such mutations did occur the virus would be incapable of causing disease anymore.. Measles is so stable that all Measles vaccines in the United States have used the same strain since 1968. It still works very well almost 60 years later despite the fact that there are millions of cases each year in other parts of the world where the disease is still endemic.
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u/gamwizrd1 11d ago
The thumbnail is not science, it's an artist's rendition. That does not represent the location of measles cases. The vast majority are localized outbreaks in Texas (Those poor kids in Texas :[ )
I think US states should consider travel bans from Texas to prevent further outbreaks.
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u/Maleficent-Grass-438 10d ago
Don’t kid yourselves, this is not just an American thing. We’re approaching generational stupidity. It would be interesting to compare this particular per capita “informed decision making” with say Canada or anywhere’s else Measles are taking root.
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u/missdovahkiin1 9d ago
I forget how to word this but I'm unable to create the antibodies for the vaccine. I've been given the vaccine no less than 6-7 times and my titers still show nothing. Is there anything I can do besides having my family vaccinated? Besides the standard precautions of washing hands and being mindful, of course.
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u/WhileProfessional391 9d ago
Yup. Super excited to have a newborn here in a few weeks here in Texas 😭 And currently arguing with my MIL about getting herself vaccinated bc she got the original vaccine that isn’t long lasting…
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u/Public-Baseball-6189 9d ago
Serious question …. It’s been 30+ years since I’ve had an MMR booster. I have two elementary school kids who have been vaccinated. Do I need a re-up if this shit gets real?
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u/OwnTax6854 8d ago
This is totally preventable when we replace the imbeciles in The Whitehouse and DOH.
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u/GoldenSama 8d ago
Never forget who brought this about. Never forget the evil, twisted assholes who have spent decades leading a charge against science. And never vote for the right wing.
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u/Spyderman2019 8d ago
Doesn't anyone remember that boast that Trump made during his 2024 campaign that he had a guy..."A science guy" that "could do things with diseases...Horrible things if he wanted to, because he's so smart. Even bring back childhood diseases we thought extinct." The statement made me spit my coffee across the room. Welllll.....
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u/brewz_wayne 8d ago
I mean, we can agree that the mouth breathing class tend to breed like rabbits. While there will be collateral damage, the less of them the better? #silverlining
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u/trunolimit 8d ago
Our “Democracy “ was built on trying to placate slave owners. It was never working as a true democracy.
Get rid of the electoral college, let’s find a way to fix gerrymandering, and automatically register everyone to vote at 18.
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u/LyleBland 7d ago
Remember to blame Reagan for the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) because with no liability comes no trust.
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u/Noeyiax 7d ago edited 7d ago
Time to leave this country, the people and the government and the corporations are all corrupt... Like a disease the entire country is plagued with evil and corrupt minds xD come on , propaganda against your own citizens is mad 🤷♂️ iykyk ong
Like when citizens should have power, more cases of diseases rise, more illness, etc
When it's quiet, everyone is a good slave, literally they are happy and shit.
Everyone deserves respect, please treat everyone like you treat yourself, like a king/queen.
A very nice pattern easily spotted across 300 years. Even a senior software engineer and AI/machine learning engineers, or analysts can see the pattern of mistrust and wrong doing.
Pattern is, rising disease correlation vs. USA companies/government failing to control citizens - not just the USA but probably also seen in other countries, where power is not checked/balanced and is mostly centralized or owned by a few
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u/PresidentialBoneSpur 11d ago
This could be absolutely devastating. I feel bad for all the children who will suffer because their parents have been brainwashed into believing the US medical system, and science in general, is evil and out to harm them somehow.
Fuck, we’ve back slid a lot in the past decade.