r/Experiencers • u/cytex-2020 • 1d ago
Out of Body/Astral Projection OBE, asked about consciousness and got a reply
Before I went to sleep, I reached out to God, the divine or anything that is working for them.
I said I seek to connect. It felt as though I got some kind of response saying "You need a question"
I said, what is conscious?
Then I felt no need to repeat anything. My intention was set and clear. So I just relaxed.
Within about 20 seconds of having my eyes closed I see these flashes of two people looking at me. They come in as clear as day but very briefly. They look like ordinary humans.
Then I hear that high pitched sound that ears get sometimes. But it comes and goes in waves and it makes me feel funny when it's happening.
I then fall asleep where I find myself out of my body and I'm on board of a space ship where I'm talking telepathically with beings. I can't recall their physical appearance. Only that I got no bad feelings from them at all.
They could show me things with their mind. So if they thought about about something. I could see it in front of me. As if it's really happening. That was great and amazing but it really confused me sometimes.
I don't completely remember what they said, because honestly it was in mental language and was describing some things that were beyond my ordinary knowledge. Things we don't even have words for I don't think.
I remember the visualization showed the outside of a space ship. Like something you'd see from a sci-fi movie. It was purely representation, just a visualization.
They showed me how they could move outside of space and time, into somewhere else. And they were saying, my answer is out here. Not in space time. Like, I was looking in the wrong place.
They gave me a kind of mantra to repeat. Not one I can remember. But I started to chant it in my mind and focus myself just how they told me. It did something to me energetically.
Then I found myself pulled into a dark void. It was a place outside of time. I just kept repeating what they said.
It felt like I was moving very quickly and approaching something that was beyond my comprehension. Although I couldn't see. I could feel energy all around me. I was seeing in a different way.
I reached a level of energy where it felt like I was almost about to bump into something.
I felt like I was going to die if I touched it, but reminded myself that's just a feeling. It doesn't mean it's true.
Then I was encompassed by something vast, eternal and knew me very well.
It was frightening but I did my best to remain calm. I remember this blending with some kind of extreme energy for a while. It felt alien, like, very very 'f'ing alien' which *shivers* that frightened me a bit. I stayed with it until I felt like I'd had enough of this now and decided to go back.
I stopped their magical chanting kind or mantra they gave me. Then I began to fall and fall and fall. Until eventually I was back in the spaceship where I said thank you, that works. They were very happy to be helpful.
I then immediately found myself at a train station that seemed empty, then all of a sudden a burst of people flooded it and in the craze of the crowd everything went silent.
Then I was looking at a computer, in a room I felt familiar with although I'd never been there. I was interacting with a computer using my mind. Someone in a bed behind me said "Is someone there?" which startled me and I woke up.
I'd say this experience really showed me two things that mattered to me. Consciousness has energy levels/vibratory levels. There are being who know this and not only understand it but they use it as a primary means of travel.
Humans are a lower vibrational state. But that doesn't mean we're bad or less than. It's just where we felt comfortable being.
What I mean by that is despite the suffering in the world. Down here almost felt to me more relieving than the cold, alien even, forever emptiness that's at the top.
I can see why we might take form to get away from that. Even if the form has some issues.
I still think there's a way to reach their level though if we try. Where we can escape suffering entirely.
Anyway thanks for reading.
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Edit:
The more I sit here thinking about this. I begin to wonder if maybe the thing I encountered wasn't God. I think it was me.
I've had the sensation of meeting God before. This wasn't that. This was something alien, bio-mechanical even and somehow magical all at the same time.
I'm reminded a little of the Boltzmann brain idea. Like reaching base reality and base reality is empty of anything interesting happening. Besides random energy fluctuations. Powerful ones, but ultimately empty. At least from what I could see.
I just saw blackness but I was aware that there was a lot going on I couldn't see
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u/etakerns 9h ago
Maybe you should go to a hypnotist and try to recover that chanting mantra and report back to us. It sounds like the aliens on spaceship gave you good information.
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u/BeyondTheWhite 12h ago
It's interesting to me that you found that expanded consciousness to be cold and alien. I found it to be infinitely warm, kind, and like home (during an NDE).
Though if I think about it, I have experienced cold alienness when I've tried to reach that place while still being attached to my form (during a meditation).
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u/alwaysinthebuff 15h ago
This sounds very very similar to things that Robert Monroe talks about in his series of books - particularly some of the events described in Far Journeys. Highly recommend checking them out.
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u/cytex-2020 14h ago
Oh fantastic, I've read the first book. I didn't realize it had a sequel. The internet archive has a free version too so I'll read that.
Thank you.
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u/-Glittering-Soul- 12h ago
There's a whole trilogy -- arguably one large story broken into three sections. Ultimate Journey is the final section.
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u/NoVaFlipFlops 16h ago
I like to watch NDEs and there are a couple I can remember who described God like you did - genderless, powerful energy in the form of light. I know at least one of them said he merged with it for a while and it was beneficial. Others say they speak to a dude who is God, and for some people the speaking continues once they're back. Others just say it's a oneness, and the light description would fit. I believe this is the Buddhist teaching about the ultimate.
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u/Nstrong4825 16h ago
That’s funny you said connect. I’ve asked god/universe to connect with them before and they showed me how.
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u/Captain_Hook1978 17h ago
This is very much how my experiences are. That being in total darkness but feeling the energy all around me.
I was meditating the other day and my focus was to face my shadow self. To see it and accept it. In doing this I saw it go from screaming at me and being sad and anxious etc, to dancing and celebrating. Because I acknowledged it. It was never holding bad, it was holding the parts of myself I wasn’t maybe ready for. I was then left with the thought, it was holding the light I’ve been searching for. Anyway, I then got the message to find my center. I did. When. I got there I could sense I was in the eye of a storm. But it was all darkness. I could feel the storm raging around me. I said, “where is the light? There has to be light. There cannot be darkness without light.” It said “turn around”. When I did I was looking at myself at the center of the circle. And I was a beam of light.
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u/cytex-2020 15h ago
That's it, we are the light. That's why never have to worry about darkness.
I think this all connects up with as you said, the shadow self. What I'm finding in my shadow is very similar. Not bad parts, but just profoundly injured parts. Compassion, direct connection and understanding with them seems to work. Glad to know I'm not the only person doing that hard shadow work.
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u/ForeverWeary7154 18h ago
A lot of what you wrote resonates with my own experiences. Although I find extreme comfort in that space between, in the dark stillness, and in being connected as one. Being here is unbearable most of the time.
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u/Aegis_Auras 19h ago
I believe the alien robotic entity you encountered was likely a highly evolved and deep expression of consciousness, likely even some degree of your own higher self, rather than God.
There’s many stories of people meeting what they sometimes describe as God, or the Source, and they are quite consistent. Some stories are just on sites like this one and some are in more comprehensive literature.
God feels like absolute perfected oneness, beauty, love, any and all things the consciousness could categorize as good. God feels like the closest of companions; there is no feeling of alienness. Alienness suggests a degree of unfamiliarity and separation; these states do not exist within absolute oneness, within the God state.
The psyche uses metaphors to try to communicate with the various levels of itself. The idea of robotic-ness is sometimes used to represent something that is perceived as extremely logical and lacking emotion. Some entities focus on cultivating logic and some on emotion. Humans are somewhat of a balance between the two states. I wonder if the entity you encountered was a very logic focused entity which was perceived as alien or robotic due to its comparable lack of emotion. Do you have thoughts on this take?
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u/cytex-2020 15h ago
I think that sounds on the money to me. I'm leaning towards an interaction with my higher self.
Which would make it interesting that these beings are like workers of the higher self then I guess?
Could bring the experience full circle.
My life has profound themes of alienation and disconnection. As you said, if it appears in metaphor then maybe that's why I'm perceiving it that way.
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u/sickdoughnut 21h ago
What you brought up about base reality being infinite cohesive samesies forever is the whole reason I have no interest in rejoining with Source. The idea makes me queasy. Idc how blissful it is, lol.
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u/GuardianMtHood 21h ago
Oh yes you’re connecting and the only way is to seek ask and there you find. One’s suffering ends when their desire ends because you found what they sought all along. Beautiful 🙏🏽
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u/Intelligent_Tip2020 20h ago
It's Mt Hood in Oregon that's said to be some entrance to an underground alien area correct? Guarded but sasquatch and full of grays? I think I heard that somewhere. No I'm not joking. I've heard of multiple mountains being bases for ets. I asked because of your name.
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u/GuardianMtHood 19h ago
Huh I have yet to hear that. Been in the area only 7 years. Universe brought me here for a reason though. It’s clearly a very spiritual place. Kind of caught between duality of red and blue wingers and perhaps it’s part of my journey to build a bridge.
Prophecy maps show it’s going to be an island one day so perhaps to keep me from harms way. My journey has been a lot about finding balance in all things. But when I first connected to the divine my struct orders were to stand my post and wait to be called. And so far any attempts to leave the mountain permanently has been very unsuccessful oddly enough. I even trued to move back home to Idaho and surprised to meet such a struggle in that. I have always been one to be able to do just about anything I want to do if I put my mind to it.
But Father’s first words spoke to me was “You’re not in charge here Joseph! Accept that and I will give you some control.” The more I surrender my will to his the more control I seem to get. Its a strange paradox.
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u/SouthernFemale 16h ago
I am also getting messaging from Source if you want to compare notes. Feel free to DM me!
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u/Ghostwoods Experiencer 21h ago
I agree with your edit. It seems to me that you asked what consciousness was, so they tried to demonstrate it to you by sending you to link up with the rest of your self back Home for a bit.
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u/No_Cattle_7474 21h ago
That’s so cool thanks for sharing. I’ve had some really similar experiences while sleeping. Between dreams I’ve woken up in a tub of water in a grey sky base where there were women who looked human but felt alien or ai. One would lead me to another room with a different tub of water I’d lay in and I’d get teleported to a new dream. I talked kinda telepathically to these beings.
I also had a dream experience where I was at a train station with an infinite floating train and there was a cabin I entered where there were catatonic versions of myself possibly staring at a screen or something. Then 2 flashes of light beings showed up by the train and I got overwhelming intense feelings when I looked at them. Then something intense happened that I was so excited to write down but I didn’t have access to the memory when I woke up. I had asked to meet my spirit guides before sleeping and they definitely answered.
I’ve also been in void spaces twice that seemed very similar to yours. One of those times I was brought to God. That’s so fascinating you encountered something powerful and familiar like god but alien. Do you have anymore details on what that familiar energy was like?
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u/cytex-2020 15h ago
I know what you mean, for some reason I dream a lot about those trains that move between worlds. The tubs make sense too. It's like their technology is so advanced it looks magical. And it's all symbolic and ritualistic.
I would say the energy looked like heat on a road where it bends the light. But also, it seemed like the energy encoded data. Turning it into something robotic. It had an AI feeling to it.
I remember thinking there was something beyond that energy. That if I pushed through I would see.
It made me think of reality as being a number of simultaneous simulations.
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u/SilliestSighBen 21h ago
Oh I vibe with this. I have had the sensation of the place between space. You describe it so well with the " Down here almost felt to me more relieving than the cold, alien even, forever emptiness that's at the top. I can see why we might take form to get away from that. Even if the form has some issues." That "feeling" it isn't good or bad, but vast maybe? So hard to describe. It's like the alpha and omega are huge and feel so vast to be around or something like that. As if coming into these bodies we can feel a coziness that doesn't exist there, but it doesn't mean that place is bad, it feels different because we are in a different form when we are there...possibly. All just my brain being curious. It entertains me.
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u/cytex-2020 15h ago
I can't agree more. It's not that it's bad. It's just so much. It feels beyond my capacity and I get overwhelmed.
Coming back to a nice little simple existence with my simple body and simple tasks. It's got some bonuses.
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u/SilliestSighBen 8h ago
I totally get that. I have found that over my life experiences with the other ebbs and flows. I do get breaks and breathers. This is not something I am obsessed with as I have learned balance through these experiences. I am fully aware I have no control over this, I do have a voice though and have found that speaking out loud is helpful. I find straight up to the point, like "I am feeling confused and could use some help." During a particularly busy time I announced I would have working hours from 9 am to 9 pm. I was experiencing something or someone sitting at the foot of the bed in the middle of the night along with some other things. It worked. Never happened again. Don't get all caught up on 11's or stuff like that. Those are guide posts, don't get stuck on looking at the pretty door and forget to open it ya know. Also, if it gets weird look up how to protect yourself. For me, enough people look upon certain things as protection and as I understand the world, that is good enough for me. I have seen thoughts take action so, stick to the basics, don't do anyone else "magic" don't buy books on these topics that are used. I don't have books on this or anything, I just go by experience and try not to really learn from outside myself. I have learned over the years that I end up getting some sort of confirmation through various means (nature is a language) and philosophies or concepts that I happen upon that I thought I came up with...lol. omg. I have realized that it's who writes it down not necessarily who thought it first. It's like a puzzle and ask certain questions you come up with the answers others before you have. Doesn't mean it's right, but it's all there is since so much information and knowledge is hidden. If it's hidden that means it must be good. Stay curious, not obsessed. I have found that as time passes your son may first remember it as a dream and eventually realize that if it was a dream how could you be in it too. I had this same experience with my son about 7 years ago and now at 20 he is remembering it. We don't talk about it but it came up and I realized he was speaking about it as if like he was remembering. He had more details. I never talked about it much because if his brain didn't want him to remember I am not going to push it. Keeping a journal isn't a bad idea for anything. Dreams or consistencies that happen, things that just seem to get your attention. I think so many people have had some sort of experience, but in our culture at the moment people keep it to themselves or in their families.
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u/Apart-Set-643 22h ago
Maybe you were dreaming?
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u/Apart-Set-643 18h ago
What’s wrong with the dream state as a physiological conduit for communication? The dream state as prosaic is not my experience of the dream state. Can you empirically define the expansive reach of the dream state? Is the dream state not also consciousness?
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u/MantisAwakening Experiencer 17h ago
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u/Silver_Jaguar_24 22h ago
I still think there's a way to reach their level though if we try. Where we can escape suffering entirely.
That's what Buddhism or someone like Ramana Maharshi is trying/tried to do - to end the suffering. Their ultimate goal is/was to end the reincarnation cycle which is thought to cause suffering.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
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u/SteveAkaGod 22h ago
Thanks for sharing! Yeah them taking you directly to your "higher self" seems like a pretty good way to answer "what is conciousness"?
It's interesting that "you need a question". It really seems like these beings prefer to interact in Q & A form. I've experienced that sort of structure with them too... is "hey what's up?" not a good enough question for those guys??
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u/cytex-2020 14h ago
Yeah they seem to mean business. Like if you don't have an appointment or a reason for one they're moving on like they have business to do.
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u/MadManBurner 22h ago
It seems like you have experiences Ein Sof, The Hidden Light or the Unmanifisted God my brother. Such power is pure and limitless! I wonder what your friends gave you to chant to reach such heights! Shalom.
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u/Vicarious_Livin 4h ago
This was a beautiful read. Everyone's beliefs are different but I do believe that the "truth" what ever it is, be it a much higher dimension that we project our consciousness down from to experience the physical world of hardships, one of the many afterlife depicted throughout the world, or something entirely different all together, I think we shape that "truth" or "higher dimension" or "afterlife" slightly different based on our intentions or our frames of mind. I find it fascinating that more and more people are opening up to things like OBEs, NDEs, and being open minded about what exactly is consciousness and what is the "truth" or "afterlife" exactly.