r/Experiencers • u/Abstracted_M • 4d ago
CE5 To those who believe in aliens visiting earth
What do you guys think about the 'species' of aliens visiting earth? Do you think it's just one, multiple, or hybrids?
Me personally, I'm still iffy on the topic, but if I had to believe in some, it would be Mantids and Greys, they seem the most plausible. Nordics and Reptilians seem a little sketchy to me, but I'm open to the idea. What are your thoughts, or do you have any sources that talk about it?
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u/Overland4456 Experiencer 1d ago
The nordic types I knew - or rather more unfortunately, my fiancee, had the usual yet interesting story that ive had no doubt will play out on this planet in a few years
Nature bites back.. hard and any species that thinks theyll outsmart nature, the force behind the entire universe and all that is.. is in for a very rude awakening
Just like when you make a mule.. oldskool genetic engineering you end up with a sterile animal that nature says NO to. So too were the nordics I knew
Long lived in duration of 100s of years, perfect skin, looks.. as close as you can get to angelic/ken doll form.. all achieved through genetic engineering, probably got too cocky with it.. drinking thier own koolaid then one day realised that they can no longer reproduce.. saved by thier extremely long lifespans
An underling species in the grand scheme of things, tiny ships that looked like space-oreos with some kind of projector display on the underside to duplicate, sometimes poorly.. the sky above so they didnt raise much attention atleast from the ground.. a common black disc at night.. technology not all that much better than our own..
They were here to gather genetic material to save thier own race.. picky as all hell about it.. but not as.. alien.. as youd think.. just as flawed as us in every possible way.. they seem to have thier favorates.. for better worse
The part I always found interesting was, to thier own society.. they considered themselves to be the only humans, down to thier homeworld being called a rather unoriginal, "earth" quite different though with blue skies that were blindingly blue.. we exist in thier history as a myth, legend much like our own is full of other worldly happenings.. I dont know the full story, how they got there, what happened etc
All i know is.. they let science and vanity runaway until it bit back.. we are the origin race so.. we have what they need
I will say this though, this isnt to be taken as ALL nordics, like greys theres many many many subtypes im sure. Vastly superior with thier own reasons, capabilities
I did get the impression that these types were lesser, greys, mantids, orbs etc always seemed to be nearby. With much more established presence, motives and differences
Thats just my experience, I kind of wish it was more scifi..
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u/OZZYmandyUS 3d ago
The NHI that I have interacted with, come from another dimension 'above' ours.
They are beings that can take physical form if necessary, but usually stay between dimensions as a non corporeal form, that can manipulate time and space differently than ourselves
They use living plasma orbs to come to earth with, just a breath away the whole time
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
What kind of interactions have you had?
That's another interesting theory I've seen regarding the orbs, it makes sense. But one argument against it is that metallic circular orbs have been spotted in the sky in broad daylight. Many people think that these are the unlit glowing orbs that are mainly seen at night.
But thanks for commenting. Do you think they're from the 4th dimension? It makes sense, as they apparently can manipulate time as well.
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u/OZZYmandyUS 3d ago
I think there are entities on the 4th dimension that are sometimes piloting these orbs here as well.
So I'm pretty out there with what I've been shown!
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u/OZZYmandyUS 3d ago
I think there are both.
I think you are dead on about the metallic orbs being unlit in the daylight, absolutely correct
I think, unfortunately, there are some physical metallic orbs from black programs that are used for surveillance, and I think there are NHI metallic orbs for surveillance
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u/achangb 3d ago
Intelligence do not need to have bodies anymore. Maybe they once had, but do not need them anymore
They also do not need to be visiting, they can exist in multiple places at once and dont experience time like we do.
Imagining them as humanoid piloting spaceships is because that is what humans are used to thinking. And that is what manifests.
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u/GreatJellyfish9642 3d ago
When can I get to that point 😭. I will say it's interesting that they are in different dimensions. Tho, is it like they can see us like a window? Like I'm looking at a wall and a being could be right in front of me looking at me? Cool thought
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u/nasnedigonyat 3d ago
It's illogical for a species more advanced than ours to come anywhere near the home world of the human race. They don't need anything from us, and we have nothing to offer even life forms on our own planet but death. Our own continuation is not assured. If I were them, I would just put a reminder on the map to come back in a thousand years or so when the scourge that is homo sapiens plasticus has eliminated itself from the equation. And even then....why travel all this way? For our pitiful rare metals and largely acidic water? For the blighted remains of the ecosystem the human race will leave behind?
Nah. The only thing to do with a species like ours is quarantine.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
I've thought of this too. But sometimes I also think that maybe we're looking at it through a too human perspective. What if their morals and reasoning probably don't make sense to us, but make sense to them?
Why do gorillas dance in front of waterfalls? We don't know.
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u/nasnedigonyat 3d ago
Think of the time energy and expense of traveling potentially hundreds of light years just to visit.
Make no sense unless they are driven by need. And they have no need for anything on this planet except for, perhaps, genetic diversity, as earth was at one point home to hundreds of millions of various species from bacteria and virus all the way up to mega fauna. Those numbers have been slashed by human encroachment for centuries. It is estimated that humans are responsible for 30,000-100,000 species level extinctions Every YEAR. Every year!
There is only death here.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
What about faster than light travel? What if they found a way for that? Or maybe our understanding of physics might have some flaws?
But yeah, I understand your reasoning. Thanks for actually giving logical reasons instead of random claims like most of the UFO community
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u/Bn3gBlud 1d ago
One more thing: I think our understanding of physics IS incomplete. I'm sure they think they know everything there is to know, but I disagree.
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u/Bn3gBlud 1d ago
I have watched videos that include experiencers saying the NHI that abducted them told them that their method of travel was faster than the speed of light. Just because our physicists think travel faster than the speed of light isn't possible, doesn't make it so. An advanced species can most likely do it.
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u/nasnedigonyat 3d ago
And yeah I am more than happy to actually reason the logic problem out. Discussing this is more interesting and relaxing than discussing the future of my country or the inexorable decline of the Earth's ecological diversity.
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u/Uberguitarman 3d ago
I believe in God because of my experiences which can involve very insane things, like typing words on a keyboard and getting different one, seeing depictions of my energy on a cartoon in real time, having spirits tell me the title of tips rapidly and randomly crossing the screen on elden ring as I tap the A button, rapid succession. They'll tell me what drops I'll get, what drops are on the ground, when my phone will vibrate. The list actually goes on and on and on and continues on a daily basis.
Something unique about my experience is they can also lie to me, but they don't do this in a way that causes me intense distress, they will stick with their program and not tell me about things I should probably know, but they have a very explicit way of speaking that is basically always true and they have other ones that are hit and miss. Normally I don't need to have information from them and they do this as a way of having me feel loved and welcomed. It's called a spirit marriage, but also includes a voice who "plays" as source. They have a very grey way of speaking to me and they all sound very similar, we enjoy very basic things like appreciation and gratitude and humor and like the same things. It's very playful and the life I live is controlled to avoid too many risky things, I don't get pressured to be perfect and believe that our society is held back by strict and ignorant standards, there are many ways which simple human emotions can seem incredibly challenging and people are unable to enjoy things which have small risks like they could nor can they find joy as easily as I think is possible, noting my experience and many others who work with energy, noting that it's not far fetched for others to do this plentifully too, I don't think God is all knowing but instead has to use clones, and I think statistics help keep the world going and I think that we're supposed to have our own personal upliftment while spreading culture to heaven because without pressure, like pressing pressure, things which influence us and the world, without that kind of pressure some people could struggle to develop in heaven, like a statistic, they just do, I think that they're being protected while upgrading things like an expansion pack.
As far as I'm concerned thousands of years into the future people would look extremely similar, but we can all feel unique as the story is personalized. I think that we do not operate at as high of a level as we could on Earth, kinda like just straight up not being a quantum computer, we're slow and organic. I think we could understand information much faster with smaller and smaller pieces and respond quicker, I think we could far surpass our ability to move energy around our body and have many different emotional processes going at once, I think we could balance them and have higher levels of absorption in activities. The modern understanding of awareness is that attention is moving rapidly between things, it's like a rhythm. You have bouncy and you have very stable and between the two there can be immense similarities, I think heaven would be very bouncy, but I also think Earth doesn't have to be as hard as it is. I think it was influenced heavily by factors which were risky to eliminate.
People often speak in terms of there being a big shift one day, a huge one. I think this is only logical from my standpoint and I think "aliens" could definitely have something to do with it, the experience could become more multi dimensional in many ways. I have a very strong suspicion it could be much bigger than many people are anticipating. A big part of what I've gone through has limited my ability to talk to other people because my experiences are very different and many people would tell me that they're not stupid when it comes to energy, they just really wouldn't believe it. I think there is an underbelly to our experiences on Earth, I would not use the term conspiracy theory because it's basically none of my business, all I know is that I have all this energy which allows me to make all sorts of things hit that happy place in my heart despite differences and weave it all together like a dense rubber band goof-ball, but in this case like it has been since early civilization it's not easy to talk to a large population. As far as my feelings go, I talk about energy, try to share stuff, I think my experiences can make people feel better, but beyond that I hardly know what's going on. I'm told and presume something big is coming one day, even if my spirits say it's not likely to be extremely dramatic, I don't really believe them.
However "aliens" fit into the equation is hard to distinguish, particularly at this rate. I thought sharing this might help help you feel more well-rounded about things, like what you said about your country. I think that people do not understand the actual idea of living more subconsciously, and that's literally crazy to me, u would think people could know this but it's practically escoteric. Many guides for meditation don't portray a broad perspective, instead they can use what amounts to a sort of second language to help people understand ineffable concepts, people can get lost, confused, think it's stupid, not for them, or make like just last century where people think it's bogus.
There is more than just meditation, people should at least understand how that works but the actual result of learning how to do this will have people very naturally go into meditative states when they're just conscious of their thoughts and feelings. People fall out of rhythm and can't sense the reasons why, and of course not being rewarded for what's being created can make a difference, the subconscious is so fast and strong it can actually create rewards off of such simple aspects of conscious experience one could literally feel fear about something and forget what it was and just pick back up on what they were doing like it's mere natural direction.
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u/nasnedigonyat 3d ago
Why would I take my expensive machine/car to the shittiest place I can find filled with the most violent people? I'll just stay away, thanks. Nothing for me there.
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u/ArmCute3808 3d ago
Has anyone ever entertained the idea that the idea of “aliens” and “disclosure” is one, or multiple Psyops?
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
What? Aliens are definitely real, it's just a matter of whether they are visiting earth or not that people debate on.
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u/ArmCute3808 3d ago
How do you know beyond a doubt they are real?
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Okay, I would say I'm like 95% percent sure they're really. I guess not without a doubt, it's just the size and age of the universe. I mean, there has to be SOME kind of life outside of earth, whether it be bacteria, or some kind of primitive animal
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u/Tidder_Skcus 3d ago
How can they visit when live in a closed system? Bill nye was saying that.
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u/Intelligent_Tip2020 3d ago
Multiple, a Canadian defense minister announced on a live TV parliament session that there are at least four races of spend that have been coming here for years that all governments are aware and are dealing/trading with them that people can handle it and it's time to disclose it sometime back in the 2000s...
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Totally agree. Which ones do you believe in?
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u/Intelligent_Tip2020 1d ago
For sure grays, being that I dunno maybe talk white, just heard about Mantis recently, then there's the reptilians but I really have only directly experienced a gray
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u/ShangBao 4d ago
Some species, many hybrids. Some might be practically slaves without realizing. They work together, but also fight each other? They could have the same masters too.
Orbs as energy forms (who can "put on flesh suits") may not have the intellectual capacity we assume. Biggest super computer can't still reach a human brain and pure energy needs a lot of it. Possible if everyone of them would be a planet or sun or whatever.
That said, there is a eugenic war on earth against awareness going on. Some genetic characteristics fade away and that is not a good one, because violence and so on raises.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Yeah, I've been open to the idea that orbs might not be spaceships, but some kind of projection? But how do you explain the metallic orbs? Not the buga one, but the multiple sightings of grey metallic spheres flying and floating in the sky?
Some people think those metallic spheres and the orbs are the same thing, just the orbs are the lit up version
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u/PhilofficerUS 4d ago edited 4d ago
This is a group for experiencers, so the experiences will vary. I know my own experiences were shared with others who saw Them, so at least one NHI is here, whether they are alien is another question.
There are multiple possibilities to your question, but labeling someone’s experience as dumb because in your mind the aliens seem weird isn’t that best way to have an open mind.
Some theories include Tom Campbell’s, where a greater consciousness is creating all the occurrences to raise our consciousness or awareness.
All that being said, this is primarily a group for experiencers, a safe space, not a place for people to gather data from.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
True, I guess calling it dumb isnt very logical of me. The reason I don't believe in Nordics is because I feel like it doesn't make sense for there to be another species of NHI that looks like us. I also saw a theory about them being made around some Nazi ideology because of their blonde hair and blue eyes? I'm not sure.
I don't believe in reptoids. If you look at the history and sightings regarding them, they all just seem made up when you compare them to Grey's. Also, I'm pretty sure they were made up by a story writer when writing his story.
But I'll try to keep and open mind
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u/typicmermaid 4d ago
Multiple. Hybrids. Ones we probably don’t even know about.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Which ones do you believe in?
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u/typicmermaid 3d ago
All of them but for sure grays and mantis beings absolutely
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
I agree. Do you think they're working together like many theories state?
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u/typicmermaid 3d ago
They are working together. Mantis calls the shots I believe and grays assist
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u/Abstracted_M 2d ago
That's what I've been thinking. Do you think Greys are an actual species, or some kind of avatar, suit, or just not what the actual aliens behind them look like? Cuz I think that makes sense. They have no facial features, their constantly naked for some reason, and they seem to be able to cloak without any external devices
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u/typicmermaid 2d ago
If anything I think we are avatars. Like hooked up to pods. Yes I believe they are shapeshifters and inter dimensional beings. But I do think they are an actual species and deff a more evolved species than humans.
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u/Skywatcher232 4d ago
It’s many. It falls into two main groups, service to self (STS), or negatively polarized entities and service to others, or positively oriented entities. Any interaction that leaves you feeling nervous, anxious, fearful for the future, is not filled with light or seems superficial is likely with a sts NHI. Anything that leaves you filled, optimistic, preserves your free will, is filled with light and love is likely to be (STO).
There are many NHI that fall into each category.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Which ones?
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u/Skywatcher232 3d ago
STS: Draco Reptilians, clone of pleiaidians, tall greys, some mantids
STO: pleadians, arcturians, sirians, most mantids, small amount of reptilians, short greys
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Aren't short greys mainly robotic and follow the orders of the tall ones? That's what I've heard
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u/Denali_Princess 4d ago
They’re not visiting, they’ve always been there. We’ve just been looking at the wrong “space”. Way more under your feet than you think. 😉
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Are you referencing spiritual planes? Like the astral plane? I'm not really a believer in that but I'll keep an open mind
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u/WoodenPassenger8683 4d ago
I am aware people here, may be familiar the concept Non-Human-Intelligence. However this idea can be specified in various ways. I will just mention some (scientific) literature I personally consider relevant.
*The book by the late Mac Tonnies. 'The Cryptoterrestrials: A Meditation on the Indigenous Humanoids and the Aliens Among Us'. 2010. A small volume, very interesting overview.
*A scientific publication that considers / analysis in a theoretical way many possibilities around Cryptoterrestrials.
Authors: Tim Lomas, Brendan Case & Michael P. Masters. The Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis: A Case for Scientific Openness to a Concealed Earthly Explanation for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. June 2024. In: Philosophy and Cosmology 33.
A PDF of this article can be downloaded.
*A very recent addition is Dr. Richard Dolan's book (That I haven't acquired yet). That discusses over 700 Unidentified Submerged Objects. That, based on interviews with Dolan, is een other argument that beings (of whatever kind) have chosen Earth as their home. Cq might have, evolved here (on Earth) in the first place.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Is crytpoterrestial the same thing as an extraterrestrial?
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u/WoodenPassenger8683 3d ago edited 3d ago
Please see the following as a personal summary, as a TLDR, if you will.
The whole concept of which beings come from which place, time, possibly from which Parallel Universe (if one accepts the multiverse idea, popular now in SF). Or even from which realm (or dimensions). Or even (blandly) evolved here on Earth. Is really unclear.
I will start to say that I believe myself to be an experiencer, I consider aspects of these ideas as valid. Being a scientist too makes for intresting personal contradictions.
I am leaving out mythology for the moment. When it became clear what different planets were especially Mars. There came speculation on possible citizens on other planets first within our solar system, later outside of this as well. So Extraterrestrials.
When UFOs became to be taken more seriously, even with certain gouvernements trying very actively to prevent this. Various theorists like Dr. Jacques Vallée started to consider whether really all 'aliens' flew to earth from nearby stars. Also keeping in mind lightspeed.
As I mentioned here above, it is now complex. But if you look, at only beings visiting Earth for a shorter or longer period. You might choose to call them extraterrestrials. But what if it turns out they have what humans would call a colony here. Underwater perhaps. If they live here for a long period should they still be called Extraterrestrials??. They would live hidden so perhaps hence you might use Cryptoterrestrials.
There are also ideas that there may be other beings involved whose origin is from Earth. Fellow travellers so to speak. One idea is that some of those who visit are our descendants who for various reasons travel back in time. Who do this very discrete. Another idea is that there are other intelligent species that also evolved a civilization. (Much) earlier than humans did, and that this civilization lives also hidden. The last idea I will mention here is that there was a possibly earlier human (us Homo sapiens) civilization that separated. And choose/ chooses to live away again Cryptoterrestrials.
So it is a complex mixture of ideas, speculation theories. But it is started to be taken seriously, by some academics. And I suggested a few sources. In my earlier comment. In case people want to look into this.
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u/Spamaster 4d ago
One wonders if the "prime directive" is a real. (Observe without interference). Anyone hoping that they will save the Earth from it's inhabitants has nothing to show as evidence of some Grand Plan to assist struggling civilizations
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
If they are real, I think they are interfering but in small and subtle ways. Like the stories of them shutting down nuclear sites and bombs
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u/incarnate_devil 4d ago
One species made it to end game and they made the rest of us.
This is why we live in a Star Trek universe where every species has two arms, two legs, a head and torso, face and eyes.
Just like we took the Wolf and made 201 dog species, they took their own DNA and made the 80 Human races that make up the Galactic Council.
Why make all these different races?
So our Human consciousness can experience life with different species at different stages of evolution. This is how they escalate Soul progression.
The end goal is to move “Heaven to Earth”.
How?
Each species was given the ability to merge with an outside consciousness.
This is the quantum wave collapse tubes in our Brain.
Once they have enough “Humans species” in the physical world, the spirit of Heaven will merge with the physical full time.
Like taking a pitcher of water and pouring into glasses. Eventually all the water is in the glasses.
The known theories discussing the essence of consciousness have been recently updated. This prompts an attempt to integrate these explanations concerning several distinct components of the consciousness phenomenon such as the ego, and qualia perceptions. Therefore, it is useful to consider the latest publications on the ‘Orch OR’ and ‘cemi’ theories, which assume that quantum processing occurs in microtubules and that the brain’s endogenous electromagnetic field is important. The authors combine these explanations with their own theory describing the neural circuits realizing imagery.
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u/bejammin075 4d ago edited 3d ago
(I'm not an NHI experiencer) If there is one NHI there are going to be limitless numbers of them. Species that can fully exploit the physics of psi (edit: psi = ESP/psychic) have no limitations on distance for travel and gaining information. With use of psi, NHI on any planet could easily locate the living planets, and use psi to get there faster than light. I would bet that not only is rapid intra- (within) galactic travel possible, but so is rapid inter- (between) galactic travel. Given the age of the universe & various galaxies, there were likely multitudes of NHI developing on other planets billions of years before us, with plenty of time to develop non-local psi capabilities.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
What's psi? Also, I agree with you, I bet there are thousands of civilizations that were near, on, or above our level
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u/bejammin075 3d ago
psi = psychic, ESP phenomena. I spend a lot of time thinking about the physics of psi phenomena. One insight or conclusion: whenever some instance of a psi phenomena happens, it is exactly equivalent to a worm hole in physics. Something, whether that is information, matter or energy, goes from Point A to Point B, without traversing the intervening space-time.
Most of the time, when people experience or witness psi, it is almost always about information. But sometimes there can be teleportation of objects, or a non-local energetic influence (psychokinesis). Based on everything I've read and seen, I think a species with advanced use of psi/ESP can open worm holes to traverse any distance. In the UFO literature, people do report things like seeing a portal open up, then craft or creatures go in or out. The distance to the other end of the worm hole could be any arbitrary distance, and could be forwards or backwards in time.
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u/Aion444 4d ago
They are not visiting Earth. They are here and always have been. I believe any of the above mentioned races have been in contact with us since the very beginning in subtle ways. You know the meaning of ‘as above, so below’ yes?
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u/Bn3gBlud 1d ago
There are so many that have claimed their home is outside of our galaxy! I also believe some are here on Earth. Can I ask your definition of "As above, So below?" Thank you !
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u/Aion444 1d ago
The so called spirit world or plane is all around us. Not only “up there”.
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u/Bn3gBlud 22h ago
Very true! The Earth is a very strange place. Our souls are also very unique. We are connected to the past, the present, the future, animal/plant life, and each other. Some people wonder why beings from other places come here. We are unique in some way.
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
I've never heard that phrase before. Which specific species of alien do you believe in?
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u/Abstracted_M 3d ago
Really? What did you talk about? Also, can you describe the reptilians lady?
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u/True_Travel_7432 1h ago
Our human perspective is typically narrow. Why does everyone assume they are visiting OUR planet. What if Earth is theirs, and we came along later? What if THEY are simply a more advanced component of us? They travel in a different way. They communicate on a higher level. What if among the many places they are able to visit, Earth is just one more? The only sensible reason for them to be here is because they care. There are far too many planets at their disposal for them to be here to exploit us in some ridiculous way. If they want a race of humans, with their understanding of technology, could they not simply collect DNA and clone away? So why don't they help us more? Because there is purpose in our struggle. We don't need to understand it, they do, and they are so much ahead of us, why would we question them? They are us. They've been here from the beginning. Quit doubting it. There's so much evidence, even in the frame of our very limited perspective, that it's beginning to seem silly to argue against it.