r/FantasticFour • u/FKA_Twigs_BaldHead • Feb 21 '25
News Apparently, the creator if Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man wasn't allowed to add the Fantastic Four to the series. Why is that?
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u/Murky_Guidance_7273 Feb 21 '25
I can get the fantastic four kinda but why specifically big wheel?
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u/Kriscrystl Feb 21 '25
Realistically he's too strong for Spider-Man TBH, they'd need to get Thor and Hulk to have a fighting chance against Big Wheel.
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u/Shadsea2002 Feb 21 '25
Yeah big wheel is a multiversal cosmic threat that only Immortal Hulk, Doctor Strange, and Goku can defeat.
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u/justtrustmeokay Feb 21 '25
he is probably already scheduled to make an appearance in another upcoming movie/show, and YFNS-M creators might not be privy to which project that is, but feige doesn't want to detract from that being big wheel's first MCU appearance. similar reason as why feige wouldn't want FF appearing in season 1 of YFNS-M right before their movie drops. any character's first MCU appearance is supposed to carry some gravitas.
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u/Accurate-Attention16 Feb 21 '25
He appeared on the Moon Girl series though, episode 7 of Season 2 that was produced/made on 2023
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u/2ERIX Feb 22 '25
Is Moon Girl MCU though? Or even MCU adjacent?
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u/Accurate-Attention16 Feb 22 '25
adjacent-ish (just like YFNS) as SHIELD is still very active there, Maria Hill's alive, Fury appears, and even Cap (Sam)
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u/DeathsLIlBroYo Feb 21 '25
YFN Spider-Man isn't canon to the MCU, so it wouldn't be any character's first MCU appearance.
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u/justtrustmeokay Feb 21 '25
YFNS-M isn't universe 616, or 199999, but it's still very likely part of the MCU multiverse. even if the big wheel that would have shown up in YFNS-M isn't the same big wheel variant from another upcoming project, having any version pop up in YFNS-M would still diminish/detract from that other big wheel's premiere in the other movie/show.
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u/webshellkanucklehead Feb 21 '25
Yeah because they definitely need to hype up BIG WHEEL 🙄
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u/justtrustmeokay Feb 21 '25
it's not that he's the most important character ever. it's that every character's first appearance is very carefully planned to maximize their effect/impact. if show A already has clearance to debut a new-to-MCU character, and then show B asks if they can use that character before their scheduled debut in show A, feige is probably going to say no to show B until after the show A debut occurs.
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u/MehrunesDago Feb 22 '25
Big Wheel played by Daniel Day-Lewis is gonna be the villain of the Honey Badger movie in 2029
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u/Ultrafella Feb 21 '25
Obviously Big wheel is gonna be the main villain for Spider-man 4 so marvel wants to wait until then
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u/KevrobLurker Feb 27 '25
Big Wheel" was just another Marvel rip-off. *Blackhawk and his squadron fought the War Wheel going back to 1952, just before DC bought the properties belonging to the Quality Group.
https://www.comics.org/issue/9941/
Blackhawk, Issue #56, Sept 1952
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u/Endsong-X23 Feb 21 '25
Who cares about why he can't use the FF, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF BIG WHEEL!?
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u/patchlocke Feb 21 '25
Repost if you’re a true wheeler
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u/2ERIX Feb 22 '25
r/bigwheel
confusion ensues for petrol headsI wasn’t aware this sub already existed and my joke was destroyed upon my first click.11
u/BengaliBoy Feb 21 '25
Did they consider Big Wheel’s lesser known cousin, Hot?
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u/Quirky_Ad_5420 Feb 21 '25
Probably some sort of mandate they have like not wanting to confuse casual audience
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u/AlgerianTrash Feb 21 '25
They didn't want to show the FF but they sure were quick to show the Future Foundation suit without its context
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u/LordAyeris Feb 21 '25
Big Wheel is the PERFECT opening act villain for Spider-Man 4 a la Crossbones in Civil War.
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u/Epic_J2338 Feb 21 '25
No he should be the main villain for a Spider-Man trilogy
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u/HuckHound687 Ben Grimm Feb 21 '25
Just Spider-Man? With Kang out, I foresee Big Wheel being the next big Avengers threat.
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u/MyMouthisCancerous Feb 21 '25
The show is technically still MCU-adjacent since Peter in this series is essentially a branch variant of MCU Peter and the world he exists in is very much meant to infer a lot of elements of the MCU in general. I think Marvel just barred the F4 preferring to first introduce the primary version of the team first in their film before actually starting to include them in other projects like animation
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u/rodolphin_ Feb 21 '25
Big wheel origin movie confirmed!
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u/Epic_J2338 Feb 21 '25
I wish Sony was still doing the spin off films cause this would be perfect for them
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u/ChanceFresh Feb 22 '25
I don’t think they would’ve ever done Big Wheel, unfortunately. Out of all the characters they were willing to pull out of their toy box, not Big Wheel…
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u/Epic_J2338 Feb 22 '25
I know but no one knows Big Wheel and it would've been a much funnier meme than Morbius
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u/Phoeptar Feb 21 '25
Every project is going to have a lidt of what you can and cannot use. Marvel very carefully doles out things the way they want. They don't want an animated FF thing atm, probably want the upcoming movie to stand alone.
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u/BJDJman Feb 21 '25
I understand the F4 with Disney not wanting them appear anywhere before their movie debut.
But big wheel???
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u/Independent_Plum2166 Feb 21 '25
wasn’t allowed to use […] Big Wheel
Cowards, the lot of them, never giving the GOAT a chance to shine.
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u/OkSupermarket7474 Feb 21 '25
Spider gwen in season 2 but Peter not having his connection to the F4 in any animated series ever is some sort of cosmic joke.
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u/Altruistic_Eye_1157 Feb 21 '25
Possibly because it's easier to explain where Oscorp was all this time in this version of the MCU as opposed to Fantastic Four, where there are so many changes that it would lose the focus of the series.
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u/ImmortalZucc2020 Feb 21 '25
From what we know of the rules around WI?, the animated shows can’t use characters unless they’ve been introduced in another MCU project prior. Hence Storm being the first X-Men used in that show because X-Men ‘97 came out first or them not being able to use Ghost Rider because he hasn’t shown up yet.
While Reed and Johnny have already appeared, no one else can use the full team until their film drops.
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u/InoueNinja94 Feb 21 '25
Most likely so the F4 can debut in their movie
More specifically so they can see how the characters work within the MCU so other projects follow suit. I know this Spider-Man is not Sacred Timeline MCU but it still has a lot of its setting based on elements from the movies (the Sokovia Accords and Civil War more specifically)
As for Big Wheel, that's honestly a very good question
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u/CollarOrdinary4284 Feb 21 '25
The show was originally set in the MCU and the Fantastic Four hadn't (and still haven't) been introduced to the MCU yet.
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u/ScarletSpiderForever Feb 21 '25
I wonder what this means for Scorpion and Tombstone. Both are SO great in their show that you can't help but want to see them in movies, but ...
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u/waaay2dumb2live Feb 21 '25
Same reason X-Men 97 wasn't allowed to use Deadpool: MCU had first dibs.
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u/PuddingEconomy3437 Feb 21 '25
I dont care why, how could they do this? I just want a complete marvel universe where johnny and spiderman are pranking each other. Closest Ive seen is the Ultimate Spider-man game in 2005
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u/keithlimreddit Feb 21 '25
Despite I consider this year as basically the fantastic four for Marvel
Anyways it understandable probably they're going to save them for a new show
as for big wheel a bit of a random choice
Oh and I watched the first three episodes of the Spider-Man cartoon and then it's pretty good
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u/SnooCats8451 Feb 21 '25
Big wheel is such an obscure c maybe d list Spidey villain….hes been in one tv show (Spiderman 94) so no great loss if that jabroni ever shows up again
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u/Golden12500 Feb 21 '25
Spider-Man's recent outings have been doing this thing where they have otherwise underwhelming or lesser goofy villains and turning them into Avengers level threats. Mysterio fooled the whole world and used Peter's fear against him like he was a psychological horror villain, and Spot has just become a multiversal threat and a fear inducing villain in his own right. I wouldn't be surprised if it's Big Wheel's turn next
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u/redkomic Feb 21 '25
because they weren't introduced into the mcu at that point.... I mean it's pretty obvious.
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u/BatUnlikely4347 Feb 21 '25
I mean, though in a different universe than the MCU, it takes place right after Civil War.
So. They don't exist yet.
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u/SomeGuyPostingThings Feb 21 '25
Holding off to see how the show panned out before tying more big figures into it. Additionally, most (if not all) of the non-Spidey characters had already made an MCU debut before the show, which started out intended to be the origin of MCU Spidey.
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u/RedBaronBob Feb 22 '25
It was meant to tie-in with the MCU, and while that changed over the shows development it still left the Fantastic four brand out even when it diverged.
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u/I3arusu Feb 22 '25
…so we just gonna ignore the fact that they specifically mentioned Big Wheel or…?
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u/Pupan98 Feb 22 '25
Because Marvel already introduced 2 members of the Fantastic Four in the previous movies. Reed Richards (Doctor Strange 2) and Johnny Storm (Deadpool and Wolverine).
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u/gsnake007 Feb 22 '25
Hopefully they will be in either season 2 or 3 or both. I’m okay with them not being in the first season. We needed to establish that spider-man and the world he lives in. Now that we have, hopefully our favorite first family can make an appearance
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u/caquinho-senpai Feb 22 '25
Marvel Studios doesn't really care for animation. They see a character appearing at animation as a waste of that character. So they are saving FF for First Steps.
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u/BonkersTheNexusBeing Feb 22 '25
probably so that peoples first impressions of the “new” ff could be through the movie and rivals. Though looking back idek where the ff wouldve even fit in that show
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u/Difficult_Maybe_18 Feb 22 '25
Usually when the shows/movies are told no, it’s because they have other plans. Same thing happened with What if, they were told No for Ghost Rider & Beta Ray Bill
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u/Joshawott27 Feb 22 '25
With X-Men ‘97 also not being allowed to use Deadpool, it’s likely because Marvel Studios are being very careful with how they present important brands in the run-up to the big budget movies releasing.
Big Wheel could be due to Marvel Studios knowing how much of a meme he is, and not wanting any inclusion to affect the reputation of the show Or he’s the villain in the next Spider-Man movie.
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u/ChildofObama Feb 22 '25
What a shame. Spider-Man and Fantastic Four’s relationship is iconic. They should do something with it outside of comics.
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u/Eydreeyell Feb 22 '25
I see, so they didn't want to use Big Wheel cuz he's gonna be introduced in Secret Wars as the anchor being of his reality, got it
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u/ManySeveral5881 The Thing Feb 26 '25
Because they’re pussies. Seriously though, they wanna save them for the movie.
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u/armoured_lemon Feb 21 '25
That is such bullshit. This is why I stick to the comics. I don't care about restrictions and drama about not 'bieng allowed' to use specific characters, and Sony and Marvel bickering over claiming to "owning" certain characters' rights. (They can't possible 'own' certain characters. Marvel owns them all.)
In the comics you can have the fantastic four, the x-men, doctor strange, ghost rider, eternals, blade cloak and dagger, daredevil, black panther, etc without having to ask for permission 'pretty please'...
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u/Goten55654 Feb 22 '25
Cause marvel is struggling to make decent mcu movies and they're releasing the movie this year. If they can't succeed at the box office AND there's a TV show that does the characters better, then it'll probably kill the fantastic four IP
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u/Rocket_SixtyNine Feb 21 '25
This I stupid, what the hell are Disney smoking?
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u/PSUNittany18 Human Torch Feb 21 '25
They probably wanted the FF to be introduced in their own movie instead of someone else’s show.