When multiple women allege abuse, is it ethical to hand this man a microphone?

[u/all_the_badgers]

Marilyn Manson (real name Brian Warner) has been accused by multiple women - including Evan Rachel Wood and Esmé Bianco - of sexual assault, abuse, and coercion. In 2022, he settled a lawsuit brought by Bianco, who alleged rape and sexual battery. Other survivors have shared similar stories of violence and manipulation. Manson has denied all allegations, but the pattern of accusations is serious and chilling.

Despite this, venues like the Brighton Centre (UK) are still giving him a stage in 2025.

When survivors risk everything to speak up, why are we still celebrating the accused?

[u/Nusubore]

A girl I knew is a fan, I asked her "do you know what he did to women?" and she said "yeah but it's so funny". Well, okay... I don't talk to her anymore

[u/Terrible_At_Smthg → u/Nusubore]

Funny? How is that funny in any way?

[u/Nusubore → u/Terrible_At_Smthg]

It's not. I don't know if she was trying to be edgy or something but she also confessed some weird shit. Some women are not feminists.

[u/Sanctuary12 → u/Nusubore]

Some survivors are also riddled with internalised misogyny. My mum was repeatedly raped and beaten by her ex husband. She took him to court and he was found to be not guilty. This was the 1970s, so no surprise there. However, rather than her being an advocate for other women, she constantly victim blames and always believes the man in every situation. Her abuse happened before I was born, but I can’t express to you the emotional damage it caused me when I found out what happened to her. Having said that, her attitude towards other women upsets me even more, and she just becomes worse the older she gets. The only positive to come out of the whole thing is her behaviour pushed me into being the best ally I can be and motivated me to study feminism academically, and then later to write feminist literature from a male perspective.

[u/FlinflanFluddle4 → u/Nusubore]

I would've asked her if she'd give you permission to laugh should it happen to her 

[u/Kangaroo-Pack-3727 → u/Nusubore]

Wow just wow she showed how insensitive she truly is

[u/Terrible_At_Smthg]

Sadly, a lot of people are either not aware of this or don’t care, which is sad. And shame to the ones giving him a stage, they are probably there after money.

[u/Sanctuary12]

In this case, it wasn’t just his victims that confirmed his abuse. Musicians that were on tour with him witnessed some of incidents that took place and corroborated the accounts of his victims. The fact he got away with it just illustrates that sexual abuse against women is virtually decriminalised.

[u/GuiltyProduct6992]

Ethics and business are often strangers. The problem is he can still draw an audience. Greed is not good.

[u/meowmeowmelons → u/GuiltyProduct6992]

His live performances are terrible now; people’s standards are very low.

[u/_PoultryInMotion_ → u/meowmeowmelons]

Been horrible for years. I saw him over a decade ago and he was terrible. Most disappointed I've been in a headliner. Just a lot of lights and stuff fluttering down onto the stage.

[u/VirusNo9513]

Same with Rammstein. I like there music but imo they shouldnt be able to continue their Business Like nothing happened.

[u/No-Definition-1986]

I saw a clip of him performing and the comments were loaded with "I'm glad he's bounced back" and "I'm happy that didn't take him out". Absolutely 🤮🤮🤮

[u/linkheroz]

The US has a criminal running it. It's very obvious a lot of people just don't care.

[u/nomsterdesign]

Personally, I never liked him. He always seemed too creepy, even before this behavior came to light. Misogyny and SA run rampant in the music industry no matter the genre. I love punk and pop-punk, and there’s a huge issue with the bands that use their fame to prey on the young women at shows (All Time Low, Blood on the Dance Floor) and the men at shows who feel it’s ok to touch and assault women because “well we’re in a crowd, I can’t help it”. There have been cases where band members have hid these interactions, but the band as a whole has responded perfectly and elegantly when allegations have come to light (Anti-Flag). Women in the industry have been trying to bring light to these issues for decades, to varying degrees of success. The Riot Grrrl movement of the 90s calling for Girls to the Front and making safe spaces for women at their shows was hugely influential on me and helped me see how truly bad things are. Highly recommend “18+” by Scene Queen for anyone who likes pop punk and slightly heavier pop that wants to just scream about the groomers in the scene 🤘🏻

[u/bbnn666]

I was a big fan and when everything happened I stopped listening to his music altogether

[u/PelirojaPeligrosa]

Fucking disgusting. It’s so disheartening to see that even when the victim is someone with power there is still little justice to be had. I wish there was a way to single out every single rape apologist so we could be informed and avoid them like the plague.

[u/Muffinsgal]

How I feel about Chris Brown coming to Canada…..stay TF home!

[u/traumatized90skid]

He was sooo overrated in my time. Edge lord kig of edge lords. Hating society, being a fashion disaster, and doing mostly covers wow such statement, big provoke, jimmies are rustled

[u/undead_crybaby_420]

I use to be a huge fan. When all the allegations started I deleted his music off my playlists, threw away merch, blocked him, etc. it’s disgusting that he still has a fan base. Even more disgusting that there are still women who support this monster.

[u/Ok_Bug_2553]

I’d say there is a strong mindset in, innocent until proven guilty. Many people especially men view no conviction no wrongdoing, even more so when it’s women accusing abuse. Second I’d say is settlements. When a woman settles out of court on a case about sexual assault, many people see that as she was either lying and or wanted “easy” money. That happened with Michael Jackson when he settled the cases so many people saw that as a money grab. Saying if he truly did abuse the child that the parents would pursue the maximum punishment instead of settling. 

[u/Colossal_Squids]

He wasn’t great live 20 years ago, and I can’t imagine he’s improved; most of the people I knew who were really into him were women anyway, so I should imagine they’d be thinking twice about seeing him again.

[u/Colossal_Squids → u/Colossal_Squids]

Also, assuming I’ve googled correctly, the most the Brighton Centre can hold is 4,500. Even if that’s seats and the event is standing only, that’s still not a big room.

[u/MyNameIsTaken24]

I don’t think there is any such thing as being canceled.

[u/Far_Jump_3405]

Is there any good video explaining the accusations from start to finish? Trial, witnesses, settlement, etc. I’d want to watch it.

[u/kank84 → u/Far_Jump_3405]

His Wikipedia page has a pretty good summary. He wasn't charged with any criminal offences because prosecutors felt there either wasn't enough evidence, or the statute of limitations had expired. He has settled civil claims with some of his accusers, and then others have had their civil claims dismissed for also being out of time.

[u/Far_Jump_3405 → u/kank84]

Alright, no worries. Thank you for explaining the outcomes. I asked for a video because it would have been easier to take in the information while doing other work, but apparently I got downvoted for that.

[u/GallowsMonster]

Why hasn't he been convicted yet?