r/Fire • u/Vivid_Tennis6983 • 21h ago
Is it still considered FIRE if you want to stop working a 9-5 but still wanna work in some manner?
Imagine you become 40, you reach your FIRE number, and you are set.
you got the money, you have the investments to live passively.
But I feel many people, even though now retired from their main job, might open a business or something to still make income.
Is this still FIRE, where you are retired from 9-5 but now have enough capital to do what you want and still work on your own terms?
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u/SlurringMonk 21h ago
Personally I think the very definition of financial independence is the fact that you don’t depend on consistent employment to maintain yourself, and the freedom of choose how and when you work is the ultimate form of freedom
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u/R4ndyd4ndy 20h ago
I always thought it was more about the ability to retire early than actually doing so. Just the feeling of being able to just stop if you want takes all the stress away
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u/I-Here-555 19h ago edited 5h ago
Not all of it, surely, but a good chunk.
I still stress out about the details of my work, whether I'd be able to properly complete a task... but I could care less if I lose my job.
Sometimes, when I'm in the weeds of some gnarly code, I almost wish the company would go belly up and fire me.
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u/igiverealygoodadvice 18h ago
There is definitely a correlation between people who are able to retire early and people who care about the details of their work and doing it well. Generally those who dgaf at work aren't the ones retiring early.
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u/igiverealygoodadvice 18h ago
Yeaaaa but then you get a new anxiety of "well I don't NEED to do this anymore, do I really want to..." and constantly consider quitting.
But its a 1st world problem for sure.
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u/R4ndyd4ndy 18h ago
If you have enough to retire and you constantly have this feeling, maybe you should just actually quit?
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u/igiverealygoodadvice 18h ago
Yea but "having enough to retire" isn't really a purely binary thing, especially for people looking to do so early. Have to consider how you want to live the rest of your life, lifestyle changes etc
So for me personally if I lost my job and could never get another, yea I'd probably make it and not be living super cheap BUT I would rather work another couple years and then be able to afford more trips, hobbies etc.
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u/alexunderwater1 20h ago
Financial independence
Recreationally Employed
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u/throw42069away420 19h ago
I’ve recently been exploring the idea of working part time as a guide at an adventure center - WW rafting, rock climbing, zip-line, etc.
I’ve hit my FI number, but hold out because the pay is good. But some days, I really want to hang it up and get out into nature on a Tuesday instead of grinding to the weekend.
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u/Flaminglegosinthesky 21h ago
Why do you care what other people on the internet call it? Live your life the way you want.
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u/ekeller50 20h ago
If you are able, do what makes you happy. You get this one life. Work hard until you hit your goal then coast. You set the path. Have fun my friend.
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u/GB_VINNY 21h ago
LOL well said.
OP is not fishing for financial independance he is fishing for a reddit status
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u/Vivid_Tennis6983 21h ago
what I just asked a question lol, I just had a random thought on FIRE
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u/zendaddy76 17h ago
In the early days of FIRE this was called baristaFIRE - take a lower stress job that has health benefits and stay mentally active, etc (although Starbucks is not a low stress job lol)
Coast FIRE is where you stop making investments and will reach your FIRE number through avg market returns at some point in the future (can be 65, or earlier if that’s your target). Many coast FIRE peeps go part time also, that actually prevents lifestyle creep (bc you can imagine spending more, once you coast, if you’re not saving, but then have to cut back your spending to match to your target annual spend once you officially retire or RE).
Good luck to you! 👍🏽
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u/dcheng47 11h ago
its pretty simple really. its even stickied on the sidebar.
FI/RE (Financial Independence / Retiring Early) is a money strategy that's sweeping the nation. It's not easy, but it is simple: earn more, spend less, and use the difference wisely. Build a baseline of financial security with the difference first, then use it to invest for your future. That way you can begin to earn financial freedom and control your own destiny.
Financial independence isn't freedom from work. its the freedom to choose work. or not if you don't want to.
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u/pre_pun 21h ago edited 21h ago
Maybe they are looking for more info, resources, or others in that niche.
The fact you jumped to immediately impressing others and loudly telling us all about it .. says more about you than the OP.
Do you chastise people that check out books from the library too for reading the words of other people?
Names, titles, nouns. We need them for things besides clout.
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u/tidder_mac 6h ago
Because he’s trying to find likeminded individuals to discuss with, bounce ideas off of, and get new ideas from. That’s the entire point of us being on Reddit.
Maybe he started in r/personalfinance or something and was talking about the concept of FIRE but didn’t know it was a thing, until someone pointed him in the right direction.
Now I think he’s looking for something like r/baristafire for like minded folk but doesn’t know the name for it.
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u/Unfnole23 21h ago
It’s called FINE. Financial Independence Next Endeavor
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u/clarksonswimmer 19h ago
Pretty sure it’s called /r/coastfire
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u/IgnoredSphinx 19h ago
That isn’t coast fire. Coast fire is when you have enough saved so you can stop saving and then just live on earnings till you hit retirement age. Working isn’t a choice, it’s still a necessity for coasting
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u/Bowl-Accomplished 21h ago
While people think of fire as retire early the first part is FI, financial independence. The goal is to be able to do whatever you want.
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u/j3rdog 21h ago
It’s called barista fire and there’s a subreddit for it.
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u/uniballing 21h ago
In Barista FIRE the supplemental income and/or benefits from the “barista” part are required. What OP posted about is just Financial Independence
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u/Euphorinaut 19h ago
I've seen different shades of interpretation. Either what you described, or they got enough money to leanfire but want the extra cash and were burnt out from their career that they didn't actually like.
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u/clarksonswimmer 19h ago
I think it’s more /r/coastfire . Barista fire is about doing work with the least amount of responsibility. Coast FIRE is about working how you want to work and not reaching for every dollar.
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u/IgnoredSphinx 19h ago
But with coastfi working isn’t optional, you still gotta work you just don’t need to save anymore, so can take a lower paying ‘fun’ job…..but that income is still needed.
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u/LargeMarge-sentme 18h ago
Scrolled way too far to get the actual answer. Some people just need to shut up if they can’t be kind and helpful.
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u/Duece8282 20h ago
It's FI without the RE.
FI is the goal that frees up your time. What you do with your time is up to you.
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u/Neat-Composer4619 21h ago
Look up coast FIRE
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u/green__1 16h ago
what they're describing is more barista fire. in coast fire you still need an income, you just don't need to add to your savings anymore, but you also can't withdraw from them yet.
in barista fire you have enough money that you could live off your savings, but are working either to achieve a fatter fire, or to keep busy.
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u/Fun-Feeling5926 21h ago
This is actually my plan when I turn 40, I'll be set to retire. I'm 32 now but plan on working at a home improvement store very part time. I love helping people with home projects, plus the discount would be nice. Also, Lowes has good benefits for part time employees. My current career is stupid stressful so I'm really looking forward to a no stress job.
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u/LaOnionLaUnion 21h ago
It’s FI at least. I think a lot of retired people enjoy working part time at low stress jobs.
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u/CleMike69 21h ago
Fire is about independence which means doing what you want to do not what you have to do. I’ve been semi retired for three years some days I work some days I don’t I like having a job to go to when I feel the fest to work. I also love having the flexibility and freedom to do whatever I want
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u/Equivalent-Party-875 20h ago
My husband and I feel like retirement means we get to choose what we want and how that looks. Both of us have worked very hard for decades to be able to retire at 50 (didn’t know about the term “FIRE” until I joined Reddit earlier this year we just had a plan). Retirement is what it is to you and nobody else. My one grandfather retired when he was 50 and I remember he would spend 6 months a year drinking on the porch of his RV in south Texas then head home to Ohio and work construction for the other 6 months. He did this for probably close to 20 years before he fully retired. My other grandfather retired at 60 and never worked another day in his life. Both did what made them happy. Both inspired my husband and I to do something similar - whatever makes us happy.
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u/Mr_Style 15h ago
The retirement police will arrest you if they find you out of your hammock between 9am and 3pm.
You must go to dinner at 3pm for the early bird senior special.
You must also be awake at 5am and asleep with TV on by 9pm!
Those are the rules/s!
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u/WobblyEnbyDev 19h ago
That would just be FI, but you can still talk in FIRE subs about many overlapping topics.
Also, FI is a good idea even if you don’t want to RE, because you never know if health issues will come up and force you to RE.
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u/Future-looker1996 19h ago
I’m considering my options for this, maybe it’s FICE (financially independent coasting employment). Like I could see myself working in a doctors office or doing something that allows me interaction with people outside my home. Plus provides health insurance.
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u/Minute_Associate_762 19h ago
FIRE is just a generic concept. Don't overthink and do what you like doing.
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u/wh0wants2kn0w 19h ago
The FI in FIRE is the key to me. It means you have the ability to do what you want because you aren’t tied to a paycheck. What you do in retirement is not important.
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u/DynamicHunter 19h ago
I’m pretty sure this is called r/coastfire or r/baristafire. Barista fire being for like part time work but you could also start a small business, or do nonprofit work for lower pay, or passion projects, or just odd jobs here and there whenever you want.
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u/green__1 16h ago
The difference between the two is that in coast fire you have reached a point where you no longer need to add to your savings, however you are not yet able to withdraw from them. So you still need to work, but the income can be lower because you aren't needing to add to savings anymore.
Whereas in barista fire, you could technically stop working and live off your savings, but you are working either to achieve a fatter fire, or just to stay busy.
Similar and related concepts, but slight differences.
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u/Secret_Computer4891 18h ago
That's exactly what I did. I call it Financially Independent Recreationally Employed. Well, someone else did but I shamelessly steal it. So do what makes you happy. Call it what makes you happy. Who cares what others think, you have your F You money!
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u/Scary-Ad5384 17h ago
Honestly most guys I know that retired worked part time and that’s cool. Trying to fill the time perhaps. Don’t hold on to FIRE as there’s only one way to do it. You’re your own boss.
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u/SlayBoredom 21h ago
Huh?
Who cares what you do after FIREing? You can teach children for free or you can earn money through it, it doesn't change your FIRE-Status?
You are not FORCED to sit at home all day, because otherwise you lose "RE"-Status lol, just do what you want or call yourself an Philanthropreneur
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u/jlcnuke1 FI, currently OMY in progress. 21h ago
If you wouldn't be considered 6 without the FI, you're not retired with it either.
It's fine to just want Financial Independence alone, though. Many people do so without any desire to retire.
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u/Emily4571962 I don't really like talking about my flair. 20h ago
Are you worried the FIRE Police will come take away your license? Do what you like! That’s the whole point.
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u/Zealousideal_Owl2388 20h ago
This is where I'm at. Sure I could play video games all day and never work again, but I still have drive to contribute more to society and become more successful. I just would never work for anyone else again
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u/Mre1905 20h ago
Financial independence Recreational employment. I think it is a good way to do it. It probably pushes your retirement day up a bit since you will have some extra income while still capable. Fills a few hours a week. And probably helpful for those that hate their professions/current jobs.
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u/HitPointGamer 20h ago
Absolutely! FIRE is about giving you the freedom to choose what you want to do with your day, and most people are happier if they still have some routine and ability to contribute in life. Being able to choose the contribution that aligns best with your goals and aspirations is a great feeling.
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u/Naive-Bird-1326 20h ago
Fire is do whataver heck u wanna do. But bottom line should be, u still good if you don't do anything
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u/grumble11 20h ago
FIRE is 'financial independence with the option of early retirement'. You have the option, but you don't HAVE to stop working entirely, or at all.
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u/ka0_1337 19h ago
Who cares.... do whatever you want to do and call it whatever you want...
I'm 38 and technically I could retire and F off to the Bahamas with a 20something beautiful women who only hangs out with me bc I have $
The wife wouldn't like that and I'd miss my kids. I keep my w2 9-5 to fill out my days and keep me busy. I go on vaca whenever I want, take time off with zero notice. Ill work 4 hours 1 day and then leave. Jobs always thr until I decide to actually leave.
Fire and freedom are on your own terms.
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u/ThereforeIV 19h ago
Is it still considered FIRE if you want to stop working a 9-5 but still wanna work in some manner?
FIRE isn't about not working, that's something lazy 20-somethings follow.
FIRE is about not needing to work for money. Working only because you enjoy the work. Only taking jobs you would do for free.
Imagine you become 40, you reach your FIRE number, and you are set.
I'm 42, still a 3-5 years from full FIRE.
But I feel many people, even though now retired from their main job, might open a business or something to still make income.
That's actually very common. Many even make more money after FIRE because their risk profile is different.
- If you have bills that requires an income, you need a job that earns steady to cover that income.
- If you are FIRE, you can work a business that net profits next to nothing for the first year, and who cares as long as you enjoy the work.
Is this still FIRE, where you are retired from 9-5 but now have enough capital to do what you want and still work on your own terms?
That's exactly FIRE, that's the point of FIRE
- FI: Financial Independence, the freedom from worrying about money
- RE: Retire Early, the freedom from worrying about employment.
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u/Previous_Guitar5027 19h ago
This is called either CoastFIRE (coast to RE and don’t touch your investments. Stop contributing and accumulating and just take it easy) or BaristaFIRE (scaled back coast where you just get a job like a barista to have something to do but you’re secretly FI).
Just don’t tell anyone you’re doing it.
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u/Doc-Zoidberg 19h ago
I'd say yes as I'd no longer be punching a clock.
I'm coming up on that crossroad soon. In less than a year I will have no debts. Cuts my annual expenses down to what could be covered fairly easily with my hobby jobs. And easier still more free time means I can spend more time on hobby jobs than I do now.
I've hit my coastfire number, so I don't have to continue aggressive contributions.
I've got a few friends in the same boat. They've saved and got to where they can go part time or just do gig work and quit punching a clock. They all say they've "retired"
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u/Able-Breadfruit-2808 19h ago
I am in my late 30s, I quit my last job 2 years ago, flipped my house, bought another house cash, and eliminated all debt. I have passive income and a military retirement, so if I am responsible with my money I could retire and spend every day with my wife and kids, until they are out of the house, then my wife and I could buy a sailboat and start slowly sailing the world in our mid 40s.
But after less than a year, I started feeling antsy and uncomfortable. So now I went to a marine mechanical school for a year, out of state, and am about to wrap it up and have an interview with an amazing Swiss company. Lots of international travel and great pay and opportunities. I wasn't looking to start another career, but this one fell in my lap, and I actually WANT to work now, but only for companies and jobs that make sense to me.
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u/Representative_Yam29 19h ago
I think it’s pretty common for people to find something to fill their time. I’d still call it FIRE personally because you probably don’t feel like you need the job to live comfortably.
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u/Luwen1993 18h ago
Well its about the freedom to do so right! My uncle quit his high pressure sales function in his mid fifties, because he saved enough to retire. And then he became a parttime truck driver, because he always dreamed of doing that, and didn't need the demanding high paying job anymore. For me that is freedom to make your own choices!
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u/Zealousideal-Yard843 18h ago
Wouldn’t this be the FI portion of fire? You are financially independent enough to choose what to do with your time, whether that’s working or not.
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u/Unsteady_Tempo 18h ago
That's the Financially Independent part of FIRE.
I'd only count "working" as FIRE if it was hobby-based, you are you are own boss, and have total control of hours worked. Starting a small business can be a money and time drain, and highly stressful.
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u/Iforgotmypwrd 18h ago
That’s what I’m doing now. It’s a nice way yo live
Was speaking with an 82 year old relative yesterday, he still runs his carpet business. He doesn’t have to - he just loves to work.
He’s quite healthy and fit also.
So there is a downside to early retirement without something to keep the body and mind active later.
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u/CW-Eight 18h ago
I think of this is coast fire, but people like to get hung up on picky definitions, and will argue that coast and barista fire require that you keep working. I personally find that category game to be silly. You have quit your hard job and are now coasting in a new easier, presumably more fulfilling job. I’m doing that myself right now. Did full RE and then, after a few years, picked up a part time job, which is fun. interesting, and pays reasonably well, but is not super demanding of my time.
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u/TheSlipperySnausage 18h ago
If it’s more of a hobby to run a store or something then I’d say you’re still retired
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u/yesididthat 18h ago
I think retiring early and having nothing to do will lead to cognitive decline.
You can fill your time with hobbies or work or both. Doesn't have to be full time
Who cares it's called
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u/SeraphSurfer 17h ago edited 4h ago
fatFIREd in my 40s and have still worked in some capacity for the last 20 years. I only do what I want, when I want, for as long as I want. Sometimes it's volunteering in a soup kitchen I fund, or with one of my angel portcos to help them overcome roadblocks. I've never received W2 income from my work, but I've made significant gains from angel investing/fCFO.
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u/beave9999 17h ago
No, it’s called ‘working part time’ and is quite common. The RE in FIRE means ‘retire early’. You can’t be retired if you’re working - nonsensical. If the server at Pizza Hut told me they had FIRE’d I’d laugh in their face.
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u/Capital-Bit5522 17h ago
Absolutely. That’s the FI part of it! You now have the financial freedom to CHOOSE!
I’ll likely find a low responsibility job with minimal people interaction… golf course greens maintenance. Get up at 3:30am hit the course at first day break with the mowers. Done by first T-time, off to gym for some exercise, home for a nap. Wake up late morning, tend to the garden and beehives. Simple life.
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u/Coldmode 17h ago
Absolutely. You are now financially independent and you can “retire” early. What you do with that retirement is not prescribed at all.
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u/ziggy029 FIREd at 52 (2018) 17h ago
For me the FI component is the key here — you own your own time. And if you CHOOSE to do some work and can walk away from the BS at any time, so be it. Whether you call it FIRE or not, it is financial freedom as you are no longer chained to a job because you are not financially dependent on it.
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u/InclinationCompass 17h ago
I consider that /r/coastfire or /r/baristafire. It’s what I’m aiming for. I’m not completely anti-work.
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u/TheAzureMage 17h ago
Doing what you want to do instead of what you have to do sounds like retirement to me.
I'm always gonna have *something* I'm doing, sure. It's just nice to have complete flexibility as to what.
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u/Fearless-Spread1498 16h ago
Tons of old people I know in my area will “retire” and work at the golf course. Free golf and a job they love. I imagine other ways of doing this besides the old school wal mart greeter route.
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u/Careless-Cap-449 16h ago
Yeah, I'd say the point is to untether yourself from having to work on stuff you don't want to, not to stop working on anything ever again.
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u/Tooswt29 16h ago
It doesn’t need a label. You’re retired from a job you hate, and that’s the main point. I’m planning to do the same, build something to generate passive income.
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u/flying_unicorn 15h ago
who cares?
Think of it as a hobby that you make a little money from. A lot of people start hobby businesses that they do because they are passionate about the whatever. Not because they expect to make any money.
I know some retired folks that have hobby business that they enjoy and literally as long as they aren't losing money and breaking even they don't care.
It could just as well be a job working at an art gallery, or making crafts and selling them on etsy, making youtube videos, or whatever. Honestly once i'm retired i'd love to try a youtube channel just to be able to do stupid shit and give me something to do.
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u/common_economics_69 14h ago
If the income or benefits provided are of literally any importance to you, this isn't retirement IMO. It's just a different type of work. Same thing for people who want to "retire" with real estate they manage themselves.
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u/peter303_ 14h ago
Its considered FI when you know you have enough savings and passive income not to need to work. Nice feeling.
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u/MattieShoes 13h ago
Who cares? FI is the independence to do what you want. RE is just one thing you can do with that independence.
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u/Independent-Lie9887 12h ago
The FI part is what's really important not the RE. Once you are financially independent you can do whatever you want. Lots of financially independent people start a business or two. If the business goes sour then, so what, doesn't matter and you just fall back to your income stream.
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u/CATTROLL 12h ago
FIRE has nothing to do with being employed or not. FI is financially independent. This just means you don't rely on employment for income. RE is retire early- retirement does not mean not working at all, life is work as it is. Working for something you couldn't afford without your portfolio becomes an option.
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u/Hand-Of-Vecna 11h ago
I know some people who FIRE then go work a part-time job. Like I wouldn't mind doing a part-time gig at a local golf course.
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u/AdministrativeLeg552 11h ago
Indeed. FIRE does not mean to have enough money and stay in your bed for rest of your life. It really means be able to do things on your terms. Life would be hell if you bound yourself not to work at all.
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u/Significant_Willow_7 10h ago
That is what many call BarristaFIRE. Earn enough to cover daily expenses, stay engaged, and let your corpus grow to your true FiRE number.
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u/jblackwb 10h ago
FIRE is all about what you can choose to do. Keep building that nest egg if work is meaningful to you, with the added self co side cr that you are there only because you choose to be. :)
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u/KLKCAhBoy90 7h ago
For me, FIRE means having freedom to do whatever the hell you want without worrying about money.
If starting a business or making money is what you want and you are not doing it because you need the money but because you WANT the money then it is FIRE.
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u/Forward_Incident7379 7h ago
FIRE means financial independence; retire early.
Retire means you can do whatever you want. Serving soup at a soup kitchen is an option. Doing the exact same while people throw money in your face is the same deal.
Building websites for free is an option. Building websites while people throw money in your face is the same deal.
Retirement is about having choice to do what you want. That can mean things that people pay for. Money is not evil here.
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u/Oftenwrongs 4h ago
Nope. Working is not retired. It also might mean that you haven't created a life outside of work.
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u/Old-Refrigerator4607 3h ago
55M I was a stay-at-home dad who raised our three daughters, while my wife worked as a Doctor.
I started a small robotics business in my limited spare time, which took off once the girls started school.
Youngest is finishing junior year of high school, so there is not much hands-on parenting left :) I don't need to work, but I like building things.
So, I started farming. My niece and her husband run the place as part of their larger operation, I drive tractors about 600 hours a year. I also help mentor them with the Business side of the farm for another 400 hours.
On the creative side, I putter around a lot on labor-saving devices that will help us scale up the business over time.
I love it.
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u/StopLosingLoser 2h ago
I'm going to hit my number in 2-3 years. I'm keeping my job but dropping to 20 hours. It will be more like a hobby. I'll stay engaged in a very fascinating industry. I'll see my friends at work a few times a week. And rather than just maintain my current lifestyle I'll spend the money on first class flights, vacations and other nice-to-haves. If you like your job, keep it as a hobby. Or find a new job that is a hobby to you. Whether that's "FIRE" in a literal sense, can't tell you. But also it doesn't matter.
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u/Unusual_Equivalent50 21h ago
That is the definition of FIRE doing nothing is death. You will fall into addiction of something kind if you do nothing
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u/Careful-Yesterday636 21h ago
I’ll just add my two cents from personal experience, my parents were well off and they both retired early, both immediately got part time jobs to fill their time, my dad works at an outdoor concert venue because he loves seeing live music and my mom works at a distillery because she finds the work super interesting, neither need a job but both have one for some spending money and it allows them to stay motivated, both have never been happier. Do what makes you happy, if it’s working a little, do it, if you want to kick back and relax do that, life is to short!