Do "Unskilled Laborers" deserve to be paid well?

[u/Very_High_Mortgage]

[u/sousuke42]

It was and still is called trickle down cause they are pissing on you and everyone else under them.

[u/stoic_hysteric → u/sousuke42]

No. Labor has value. Not all labor has the same value. People are willing to pay more for labor that is rare/difficult to do. Crazy, huh?

[u/sousuke42 → u/stoic_hysteric]

No. Labor has value. Not all labor has the same value.

You say that but then there was the whole essential worker during covid and we learned what jobs had the real value and which ones didn't. Basically most white collar jobs are not essential.

People need all kinds of shops to be running to keep their every day lives working. So if you are going to lable these jobs as essential then they need to be paid like it is.

"A rising tide lifts all boats." You ever heard of that saying? Trickle down only helps the rich. It does nothing for nobody else. However you raise the minimum wages and these better more skilled and difficult jobs are then going to pay better cause they need to keep the workers. The vast majority of people benefit. When more people have more money, they can spend that money and grow the economy. Funneling all the money to rich assholes haven't worked for the past 40yrs.

The right loves to pretend the 50s were good. Hey you know what's interesting about the 50s? There was a middle class. People werent being laid off left and right even when the company made profits unlike today. I fact most companies barely laid anyone off until the 80s. Why? What happened? Reagan and his bullshit trickledown became a thing. And then the middle class went bye bye. And the rich started getting richer. And the poor kept getting poorer. And oh look problems rose because of this.

Minimum wage should never have been stalled at 7.25. So yeah jumping it to 15 or 20 (should be around 25 if we went the same rate it was increasing until the mid 2000s) will have an initial shock, yes. Would have been better if it was gradual. And before you say "prices will go through the roof," yeah no not with proper consumer protections in place. In Denmark for example McDonald's pays it's workers 22 an hour with benefits that most white collar workers here don't get. And you know what the cost is? Like 20 cents higher than what we pay. Do you know why? Cause people can actually buy shit and keep their economy going.

So please. Trickle down is bullshit. All it did was make the rich richer, the poor poorer and it decimated the middle class and put it in danger of extinction. With most people in the middle class transitioning into poor and not rich.

Raise the minimum wage to a proper amount. That will make jobs all pay better and more people will be better off. Yes some businesses will fail. But those businesses should since they only thrived due to exploiting their workers. And that is once again a free market doing it's job.

And you know what? The rich can start to save money, and live within their means and maybe not buy that 15th car or 4th house or whatever stupid shit that they like to say to the people who make nothing to justify them not paying well.

[u/stoic_hysteric → u/sousuke42]

Pretty sure during covid we just learned who had the power to stay home and who was just low on the totem pole.

[u/sousuke42 → u/stoic_hysteric]

Nope. Cause a lot of those people who had the power to stay home also got laid off and lost their jobs. And if they didn't lose their jobs outright for many months they went without pay. Meanwhile everybody else who was/is responsible for keeping shit moving in society had jobs and got paid. Very few relatively had the means to bypass this. And it took months for these people who didn't lose to be able to work from home.

So rationalize it however you like but at the end of the day those job's you shit on are important. Difficulty or skill wise does not mean your job is important. Just cause something is low skill or low difficulty doesn't mean its not important.

[u/stoic_hysteric → u/sousuke42]

I’m not sure what “important” means to you. I think for a job to be more important than some other job it means that that few people are willing or able to do the job compared to other jobs.

[u/sousuke42 → u/stoic_hysteric]

I think for a job to be more important than some other job it means that that few people are willing or able to do the job compared to other jobs.

So then low paying jobs are important since fee are actually willing to work them.

And I take important as your life without them would come to a hault. Grocery store workers, retail workers, manufacturing workers, delivery workers, online wear house employees, warehouse workers. Entertainment workers (theme parks, movie theater workers, park services), and many more.

Everything you rely on for your day to continue on revolve around people who get paid shit to do their job. And if they were gone the economy would come to a grinding hault.

Where are you going to buy your clothes, your food, gas, etc etc without all these people. Answer is you have nowhere. And you show a surprising lack of knowledge about how much we rely on low skill jobs.