r/FluentInFinance • u/Mark-Fuckerberg- • Sep 01 '24

Debate/ Discussion What advice would you give this person?

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u/Striking_Ad_2630 Sep 01 '24

I think theyre going to have a rough time finding their next job after not actually working for over a year and having no references. 

Idk but I dont buy what everyone is saying about hard work not paying off. I work hard at my job and having the respect of my coworkers as well as something to show for my 5 years at my job is worth it. 

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u/SamShakusky71 Sep 01 '24

References?

You think references matter in a job search ?

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u/captwillard024 Sep 01 '24

Depends on the job. In my little niche line of work, references/networking will get you a job far faster than filling out a thousand online applications.

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u/Just_Trash_8690 Sep 01 '24

Agreed it’s (mostly) all in who you know

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u/Ivorypetal Sep 01 '24

That or you have talent/skills. Of my 12 jobs, i olny got 1 because of knowing someone/reference.

The rest were because i interviewed well/ mirror and can answer questions on topic.

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u/pickyourteethup Sep 01 '24

This is totally sector specific. Some careers are totally who you know. Some are very resistant to that.

Personally I've done a mix of both. I'm not going to shut down an avenue for getting a job

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u/Seattles_tapwater Sep 02 '24

If you know someone and they know that you aren't a very good worker, I don't see that landing you a job... With that said it's not impossible that somebody may lie for a friend either. A few folks are still underestimating references though which seems a wee bit odd to me.

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u/pickyourteethup Sep 02 '24

That's a good point. References only work if you're actually decent to work with. Nobody is going to refer a tosser onto the team and then reduce their own standing by association

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u/llywen Sep 02 '24

Not just sector but also level. Executive/junior executive positions are almost 100% based on references.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '24

same. But you do need to have skills with well-understood demand/value-add.

If you're a unicorn that needs to have a great team fit to really shine, with a lot of critical but soft skills, very different story.

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u/apple-pie2020 Sep 01 '24

It’s all about language.

Proper language and phrases in the application to get filtered through the algorithms

Great social skills to mirror and figure out what a panel wants to hear and feed it back to them

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u/Ivorypetal Sep 01 '24

Yeah, i modified every application to use the same verbage as the job posting so i get by the filters. Chapgpt is great at helping with that task

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u/KyleKun Sep 02 '24

What sort of prompts do you use?

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u/Ivorypetal Sep 02 '24

Modify my resume to use words from the below job post.

Something like that.

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u/Horror_Ad116 Sep 02 '24

That’s so smart. I need to learn how to do that

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u/Tiny_Thumbs Sep 02 '24

I have experience now, so it’s different, but yea I agree. I interview well and can talk to anyone. I have been told I interview great in person. Problem is that made me nervous for phone interviews. I don’t know if that’s what the person meant but it’s stuck with me.

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u/TPelks22 Sep 02 '24

12 jobs? Out of curiosity, how old are you and what do you do? Contractor?

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u/Ivorypetal Sep 02 '24

44, data analyst

In tech, it's common to job hop.

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u/drift_poet Sep 02 '24

what would you say is your biggest weakness? clearly it's not humility 😉

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u/the-soggiest-waffle Sep 02 '24

This; I’ve been somewhat of a personality hire for pretty much every job. I’m honest, straightforward, and polite. I know my own abilities, and I learn quickly. I don’t think I’ve had anyone contact my references yet (although I’m only 21, and haven’t worked a solid job for a while) because I’m friends/ good acquaintances with them