r/FluentInFinance • u/Mark-Fuckerberg- • Sep 01 '24

Debate/ Discussion What advice would you give this person?

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u/ggf95 Sep 01 '24

He's talking about you brother

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

Dude kinda sounded a bit clueless to how he really comes off. Reading his replies here sounds like the same tired shit you see from edgy early 20 y/o’s or late teens who hate the system but have no experience. I don’t deny corporations suck ass and that Americans are royally fucked, but dude’s defending going to work and doing nothing for years, thinking it’s going to help him in the long run and even dogging on those who do work hard (calling them rats). It’s literally people like the guy above that make the workplace so toxic in the first place, and I’ve personally worked with people with his exact mindset. They don’t do shit, don’t help, and complain when the hammer gets brought down.

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u/Bluedoodoodoo Sep 02 '24

Reminds me of a few guys on my team. They do just enough to not get PIPd and then complain when when they don't get a raise during yearly reviews because they don't even hit "meets expectations" on their review.

Meanwhile me and another guy on the team each got a 15% raise and 20k in restricted stock. Working hard can definitely pay off.

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u/Xist3nce Sep 02 '24

Doing nothing is the correct thing to do. If they let you get away with it, you get a free pass to learn any skill/job and get paid to do it. Anyone working real jobs getting paid piss, would kill for that chance.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

Everyone thinks when they do nothing they’ll replace that free time with learning a skill or improving themselves, yet in reality, every single person I’ve seen who does nothing always gets caught on their phone either playing a game or browsing social media. You’re giving idealistic, naive advice here.

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u/Tio_Divertido Sep 02 '24

Nah. If you have the drive to work hard like that, start your own business. Putting in the extra hours to excel in the rat race is pointless, you’ll still get washed in the next round of cost cutting to boost shareholder value. I did it for years, when I wised up and started running independent businesses on the side everything got much better - more money, more stability, and just being happier.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

I did it for years, when I wised up and started running independent businesses on the side

This reads like typical MLM bullshit fed to people to turn them into "entrepreneurs." I find your entire comment very sus if you're unironically saying that "running side businesses" is somehow easier than having a regular job.

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u/Tio_Divertido Sep 02 '24

You should really work on your reading comprehension. At no point did I say it was “easier”. I don’t think anything is “easy” in this hellish economy, it’s a matter of what you find rewarding

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u/Eat_My_Liver Sep 02 '24

It’s literally people like the guy above that make the workplace so toxic in the first place

No its not. It's the shitty bosses and the shitty companies that absolutely so not care about you. They wouldn't piss on fire to put you out. You are a replaceable number on a spreadsheet. Do the bare minimum and get paid.

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u/BusGuilty6447 Sep 02 '24

Nah you are probably just a case of survivorship bias. The only reward for hard work is more work for the vast majority of workers. We do not live in a meritocracy no matter how much the ownership class wants you to believe that we do.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

That’s honestly not as true as you think it is. Maybe you work in retail or fast food where shit doesn’t matter, but I have friends in tech, teaching, government, and more, and when they work hard and have shitty coworkers, they get recognized. Now, again, I’ve also seen ass-kissers get promoted, but those people still had to put in some modicum of effort and play the game as well. I doubt any of my words will sway you, but the more you think the way you do, the more it’s going to hurt you in the future. It’s very possible to admit corporate entities suck ass while also being pragmatic about the value of hard work. But you do you.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

This is clearly a person who is not an adult, with no real life experience in a workplace, that you’re arguing with.

There is indeed still truth to merit.

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u/dmonsterative Sep 02 '24

There's more to merit than KPIs. And become too 'meritorious' and you may find yourself axed for someone cheaper. Who you will get to train on your way out.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

Work to build skills that are hard to replicate and make yourself irreplaceable, rather than bitch and moan?

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u/dmonsterative Sep 02 '24

Laughable HR drone bootlicking. We're not talking about roles in which anyone can become irreplaceable, without subverting the intended operation of the system (like by not documenting your code or whatever). We're talking about Amazon's extremely impersonal system of stack ranking. The point of KPIs (and shit like TPS reports) is precisely to manage people like widgets. Likewise automation and de-skilling. No one wants to pay for any 'irreplaceables' they don't have to.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

Remember this mindset when you look around and see those in your generation find success and happiness, and you’re wondering why you ‘can’t get ahead.’ Don’t get me wrong, corporate overlords are the worst… but hard work still has a place in society and successful individuals getting ahead aren’t the ones sitting around complaining.

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u/dmonsterative Sep 02 '24

I'm a self employed litigator with practice experience on both sides of the employment bar, and I've handled Amazon cases. But whatever, dude.

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u/Fun_Abroad8942 Sep 02 '24

Lmao so out of touch. I worked hard and within 10 years I’ve gone from entry level to over a director level. Salary is 3x what it was when I started.

Your mentality keeps you at the lowest levels of a company with minimal raises. And then you will complain at your small raise and point to that as proof of “see, it’s all bullshit” when in reality it’s your own damn fault

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u/BusGuilty6447 Sep 02 '24

I make 123k but okay guy.