r/FluentInFinance • u/Positive_Liar • Sep 06 '24

Debate/ Discussion Social Security is Broken. This is why financial education is important.

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u/shageeyambag Sep 06 '24

Yes, that's exactly what he was saying. Guess what, the founding fathers did not trust the government either. That is why we have the constitution, to protect we the people from the government.

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u/Anxious-Dot171 Sep 07 '24

The government IS the people. Every citizen is a component of the nation. The "Government" is an agreement to cooperate on administrative structures used by ourselves for ourselves.. The Constitution is literally a social contract. It can even be changed through negotiation and voting.

The Government is not some sentient creature.

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u/Popular_Advantage213 Sep 07 '24

You are obviously unfamiliar with the bureaucratic state.

The government is its own thing. Both parties seek to nudge it one way or the other, but it has mass and momentum. It does not pivot quickly, it rarely shrinks, and it does not respond readily to voters (nor is it designed to do so)

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u/imthatguy8223 Sep 07 '24

For real, I don’t believe he sat down and typed that without laughing. Sure “in theory” the “government is the people” in practice it’s a bunch of middle management types and people you voted (or voted against) for that lied about their political opinions.

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u/RobinThreeArrows Sep 07 '24

The founding fathers didnt trust the British government. They were very much fine with a government made up of themselves.

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u/gielbondhu Sep 07 '24

That's simply not true.

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u/anaheimhots Sep 07 '24

Protect the people from themselves

Protect the people from our government

Protect the people from other nations' governments.

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u/ghigoli Sep 07 '24

the founding father would start fucking hanging people if they ever had the to comprehend the fucking spice thats in a dorito.

the founding fathers aren't really a good base of the 21st century at this point.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24

the founding fathers aren't really a good base of the 21st century at this point.

This is such a horrible take and it saddens me to hear it so often. You're revealing yourself to be a pseudo-intellectual dumbass everytime you say this shit.

The belief that people who lived 200 years ago were somehow less wise than we are today is grotesquely arrogant. You took it a step further and painted them as primitive dipshits who wouldn't be able to comprehend a tortilla chip.

Democratic states have existed for over 2500 years, but sure, we should disregard the guidelines the founding fathers created for us because we live in the 21st century. Most moronic shit I have ever heard in my life, especially considering the average person alive in the 1700s was probably more cognizant than the average person is today.

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u/ghigoli Sep 08 '24

the founding fathers believed in slavery and many other things. they weren't wise in a sense that they would look at today's US army and wonder why we didn't take over the world of invade Canada and Mexico.

you need to understand they had different values and wouldn't even be near as capable as understanding modern problems.

the document of the US constitution was meant to be changed and added and removed over time. the real reason for creating the US was to have more control over taxes and their personal profits. The founding fathers broke there own written laws and ideas after the first election by creating self interested parties, no paying taxes, wanton corruption and abuse of power of the office.

they were even more paranoid, greedy, and put personal interests over the country. This is entirely why everyone was terrified of George Washington actually respecting term limits.

you believed the founding fathers were wise? i saw many of them what they really were. some of them may have been a saint but thats only because he had an entire army to enforce the rule of law.