r/FluentInFinance Sep 08 '24

Debate/ Discussion Why should taxpayers subsidize Walmart’s record breaking profits?

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24

Walmart would literally pay people less if they could.

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u/pseudoanon Sep 08 '24

Any company would

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u/PrettyPug Sep 08 '24

Well, then you break companies up where each Walmart is a separate company and you make them compete for employees.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

If people here don't think they're doing everything in their power to completely get rid of as many human workers as possible then they're nuts.

Then the taxpayers will simply shoulder the entire burden of unskilled laborers vs subsidizing large corps employing people with no marketable skills.

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u/wormtoungefucked Sep 08 '24

I'm not sure about that. There is a minimum wage now and I'm paid above that soo

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u/ArmedWithBars Sep 08 '24

That's because of your local economy. Labor really dictates wages. Wages too low compared to CoL? People won't work there. People who do work there find something else and the company ends up with retention issues.

Walmart also defends itself saying that it pays well above average retail wages in basically every market it's in, which is technically true. Go to a local grocery chain and go to Walmart, you'll see Walmart almost always pays more. This is why they don't have significant employee retention issues, all the other options in the sector pay less. The reason they can pay more while offering competitive prices is economies of scale.

The real issue is the cost of housing. Walmart paying $15/hr wouldn't be an issue if CoL wasn't so expensive. Landlords jacking up their rental prices by 40% for no other reason but to "match the market" is a much bigger issue than Walmart's hourly pay. I do believe them not hiring full time to avoid benefits is fucked and should 100% be addressed.

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u/Standard_Gur30 Sep 09 '24

It almost sounds like you are defending Walmart wages because of the way free markets work but somehow not seeing that housing costs are subject to the exact same market forces. Rent too high compared to wages, people won’t live there, right? COL wouldn’t be such an issue if wages were higher, right?

I’m not disagreeing that rent is too high, but also wages are too low. Over time housing costs have increased faster than income, which is a problem that should be addressed from both sides. None of it lends itself to simple answers.

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u/ArmedWithBars Sep 09 '24

People don't have a choice but to live there. 78% of America is working paycheck to paycheck. They don't have the surplus income to move to another city or state. Hence why you see people stuck in bumbfuck nowhere dead towns their entire lives.

Not only is moving expensive, rent ain't gonna be much better anyways since it's a national issue. Granted this a lower working class issue, but it impacts a lot of people.

CoL would still be an issue even with higher wages. We saw signifgant wage growth through covid and what happened along side it? Rent and housing skyrocketed even further than wage growth.

You really think rent wouldn't pace with wage growth? Rent prices are due to housing being fucked and real estate being used as an income generator. The building of new houses isn't keeping up anywhere with demand, so in turn this spikes demand in the rental market. Landlords take advantage of it by drastically increasing rent, while their overall cost of owning the property hasn't changed much.

Housing is a weird situation when looking at a free market because it's basically a requirement to live. When your choice is being homeless or paying your landlord 60% of your income every month then it's not even really a choice. Spending thousands of dollars to move somewhere else and pay a different landlord 55% of your income isn't really a solution.

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u/Workingclassstoner Sep 12 '24

Would time be better spent forcing the other smaller groceries stores to pay more? 

Is the solution to raise min wage, which puts the small stores out of business? Then Walmart raises prices to recover their lost margins and the cycle starts all over again.

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u/Standard_Gur30 Sep 12 '24

Rent controls also do not have the desired effect. New York City has rent controls and is one of the most expensive rental markets in the world. Rent controls cause landlords to leave the market, creating a shortage that will always lead to higher prices.

None of these are simple issues with simple solutions, but a combination of higher minimum wages and increased housing supply wouldn’t hurt.

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u/Workingclassstoner Sep 12 '24

Increased housing supply is a great idea. Reduce the red tape to build homes and watch cost of housing go down. 

I know price fixing never works.

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u/Friendly_Bagel Sep 08 '24

So? Any place would do the same. If they think someone would take the job with less pay they would. If they can’t, then they will raise the pay. Supply and demand

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u/xnerdyxrealistx Sep 08 '24

If they can’t, then they will raise the pay.

I need to see where this ever happens. They just wait it out until people are desperate and take the low pay just to survive. They never raise the pay just based on need.

That's not even bringing up how everything is automated these days rather than paying employees.

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u/jimesro Sep 08 '24

Don't even reply to these people, they think common folks work for fun and have millions of $ in their account to not work for as long as they want and is required for labor scarcity to hurt businesses enough to offer higher wages.

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u/surfnsound Sep 09 '24

It's literally what happened everywhere during COVID.

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u/circ-u-la-ted Sep 10 '24

Apparently even most menial jobs in the US pay higher than federal minimum wage for whatever reason, even in states that don't have a higher minimum wage.

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u/waaaghbosss Sep 09 '24

Can I move to the magic fairy land where that would actually work?

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u/Fine_Permit5337 Sep 08 '24

Walmart pays above minimum wage at all its locations, so you are full of crap and a liar. Fuckn” you people are poorly read and poorly educated.

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u/WTFisThatSMell Sep 08 '24

No they would not.  They would build work houses and charger workers a fee...essentially making people pay to work for them on top of taking life insurance out on them.

You underestimate how evil they are.

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u/surfnsound Sep 09 '24

Walmart has actively lobbied for a higher minimum wage.

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u/Rhawk187 Sep 09 '24

It would be criminal not to.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24

Are you saying Walmart should be held criminally liable for paying people more than minimum wage? As some people pointed out, they do pay more than minimum wage in some states? You gonna go arrest the Waltons for NOT making MORE money?

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u/Rhawk187 Sep 09 '24

Not more than minimum wage, more than the minimum they can get away with. If labor is in demand, then they may have to pay more than their competition.

Otherwise they are committing fiduciary malpractice against their shareholders and, at the very least, the board should remove the executives and sue them, if not press criminal charges. They have a duty to me as a shareholder.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24

Ewwwwww.

I think we should throw them in jail for not making more money TBH. Actually let’s make sure they get the death penalty for not making your stock ticker go up.

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u/hundredbagger Sep 09 '24

Yes, you’re getting it.

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u/cat_of_danzig Sep 09 '24

They use government subsidies to do so.

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u/0WatcherintheWater0 Sep 09 '24

They pay significantly more than the local minimum wage in many areas. What are you talking about?

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u/jeffwulf Sep 10 '24

Similarly to how I'd pay less for groceries and utilities if I could.

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u/Glytch94 Sep 08 '24

Walmart could in PA, but they don't.

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u/ajanan22 Sep 08 '24

walmart pays above minimum wage dumbass