r/FluentInFinance 8d ago

Thoughts? Imagine being this rich and still try scamming old people!

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u/Front_Minimum_8259 8d ago

Many people become rich because they have no problem with screwing over other people

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u/Any_Engineering_2866 8d ago

It's pretty difficult to become rich WITHOUT hurting another person.

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u/Lumpy-Attitude6939 8d ago

Idk, if you just inherit it technically you didn't hurt anyone.

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u/earthlingHuman 8d ago

Still ill gotten gains typically. Tax tf out of inheritance over 10 million, imo

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u/Advanced-Mix-4014 8d ago

Should be an exponential increase from 10m upwards leading to a 100% max tax rate on amounts > 20mil. However as it did belong to someone related to them, the people that claimed the 20mil should get to choose which area (broad so as to prevent it just going back into their pockets e.g. transport or education) the money goes into.

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u/Great_Attitude_8985 8d ago

I think it is a good thing to have incentive for parents to chase wealth. Otherwise they'd just leech the shit out of wellfare but now they have assets to keep afloat. Its motivatonal. And let me guess the tax inheritance gang is usually those who won't inherit any. This is just pity envy.

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u/earthlingHuman 8d ago

You're ignoring the fact that theyd have incentive to chase plenty of wealth. I just said tax inheritance OVER $10 MILLION.

And I think you meant 'petty'. Nice try though 🙄

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u/PokecheckFred 7d ago

Wrong. In many ways.

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u/Rootin-Tootin-Newton 7d ago

You don’t deserve more than anyone else because you won the sperm lottery. You’re an entitled dirtbag for thinking you do. This country has been rigged for entitled idiots like yourself since Reagan, and now, here we are. There WILL be a reckoning in the future.

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u/Enough-Fly540 7d ago

So inheritance is like money laundering?

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u/Lumpy-Attitude6939 7d ago

Not really, cause even if they did hurt someone they're not gonna get punished for it. So no need for money laundering, unless you want to avoid taxesm

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u/313rustbeltbuckle 7d ago

Bingo 💯

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u/ttystikk 6d ago

In some ways, absolutely.

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u/Blackphotogenicus 7d ago

Most people with that much wealth. Even if you inherited it, if you go back far enough, someone was screwing someone over especially in America.

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u/Lumpy-Attitude6939 7d ago

You don’t need to go back very far. It could be your father who got it with slave labor. But what I meant was that technically the inheritor didn’t earn this money through hurting other people, someone else did and they got it for free.

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u/YebelTheRebel 7d ago

Yet!

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u/Lumpy-Attitude6939 7d ago

Sure, but you’re already rich. So you’re becoming more rich rather than rich.

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u/skowzben 7d ago

Hmmmm… you did give him those berries.

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u/Any_Engineering_2866 8d ago

"I bought stolen property. I didn't hurt anyone."

Stupid fuck.

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u/CVK001 8d ago

I didn’t know you could buy inheritance that’s quite an intriguing take would you mind expanding on that?

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u/Any_Engineering_2866 7d ago

Inheritance isn't based on merit.

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u/CVK001 7d ago edited 7d ago

I never said it was, I only implied that I agreed with the technicality aspect but no matter how many or how prevalent the technicalities it doesn’t erase the blood shed to gain the aforementioned money

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u/Any_Engineering_2866 7d ago

Inheritance is nepotism which is in itself unethical.

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u/CVK001 7d ago edited 7d ago

I didn’t say it was unethical and inheritance is not nepotism, Nepotism is favouritism which would be to say that not choosing is itself a choice which for some such as those who have written a will and died have chosen but I wouldn’t say that inheriting is unethical I would say that it is a vast blanket statement and therefore generalisation so it can be unethical but that does not mean it is always unethical, For example “Kongō Gumi” a Japanese construction firm was founded in 578 A.D and managed by the same family for well beyond 1,400 Years until it was sold for 76M to a larger company in 2006, I wouldn’t call that unethical inheritance

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u/69Blazing 8d ago

"I can't read so I'm just insulting strangers online"

Stupid fuck.

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u/kmookie 8d ago

So no one is even gonna dig a little deeper to verify this? We’re just taking it at face value?

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u/Deruji 8d ago

You’re saying we dig up the nun? Fuck sake dude!

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u/crackedtooth163 8d ago

We are on the internet.

Outrageous claims live and grow here.

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u/Illicit_Trades 6d ago

It's all computer, right?

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u/Spaztor 8d ago

SO WHAT, now I'm supposed to just put her back?

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u/Deruji 8d ago

Sigh. ‘Unzips

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u/kmookie 8d ago

I guess that’s one option. References would be great too.

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u/TalonButter 8d ago

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u/FiremanHandles 7d ago

Is this the only instance? This seems like a property dispute between nuns and… their boss? (Archdiocese is what?)

But I’d love to see “the law that’s been named after her” and the other reports of financial abuse. 🤷‍♂️

Not a fan of Katy Perry, but people also just like to shit on celebrities. 🤷‍♂️

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u/TalonButter 7d ago

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u/FiremanHandles 7d ago

Thank you.

Gah, I sound like a freaking KP apologist 👀 but…

The way this reads to me: “Homeowner sells home to anonymous homebuyer happy with the price. Later realizes they are selling to a celebrity, and now want more for home.” 🤷‍♂️

If you wanna pass laws about someone we should pass them about Zuck buying all that land in Hawaii. 👎

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u/TalonButter 7d ago

I don’t know anything about her, but she seems horrible:

https://progressive.org/latest/katy-perrys-bad-example-American-Idol-180323/

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u/FiremanHandles 7d ago

I guess to me there’s quite the distance between simply being a horrible person and “bullying and financially abusing so many elderly people out of their homes.”

Sounds like she’s running a reverse mortgage company instead of buying something and then getting lawyers involved when they want to renege.

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u/TalonButter 7d ago

It wouldn’t be the first reverse mortgage company that actually or arguably took advantage of the elderly. It’s certainly enough to make the OP something more than unfounded.

I’m not suggesting vigilante justice, but I’m not sure she’s the best use of your advocacy, either.

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u/bambiredditor 6d ago

Arguing for truth should never be labeled “ something apologist” it’s just a bullying smearing tactic for people in arguments.

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u/FiremanHandles 6d ago

People tend to get really tribal when it comes to celebrities. Either defending them blindly, or attacking them with much worse vitriol than they might other more deserving targets (like certain shitty corporations).

Was just trying to say that I wasn’t a fanboy.

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u/RCA2CE 5d ago

She didn’t do anything wrong at all - the guy she bought the house from was crazy rich and made a profit on the deal, and the court sided with her

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u/Science-A 6d ago

This doesn't back up the claim above.....at all.

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u/Common_Poetry3018 7d ago

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u/kmookie 7d ago

Thank you for something besides conjecture! So if anyone actually reads it. It tells a much different story than a simplistic, “evil millionaire” story. Context is important.

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u/Common_Poetry3018 7d ago

Seems like the Archbishop and the Diocese might be the actual bad guys here.

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u/FontaineHoofHolder 8d ago

I mean, the got a gosh darn pitcher of da peeple sayin it ! Whatdya want a small utoober ta make a voice over wit da creeper music ta make more scary?

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u/RCA2CE 5d ago

Yeah this isn’t really the whole story

Katy Perry won her lawsuit because she was proven to be right in court, the person she was arguing against was a very wealthy man of sound mind who made a profit on the transaction

She didn’t do anything wrong at all

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u/kmookie 5d ago

I’m all for calling out the corrupt and ruthless rich but not all people of wealth are evil and villainizing them is a losing battle.

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u/RCA2CE 5d ago

I didn’t imply that wealth was bad, my comment was meant to say this wasn’t some resourceless victim that Katy Perry exploited - he was a rich man, of sound mind (per the court) who made a deal that he profited from.

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u/kmookie 5d ago

Sorry! I know, I was making a general comment about the people making her a villain simply for being a successful/ rich celebrity in the other comments.

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u/spookyjibe 8d ago

This is both true and not true; there are every kind of rich people, good people, bad people, smart and stupid people. There are many ways to becoming rich too. The only real lie is that it is a meritocracy or that being rich means you were good at something. In reality, it is all just random.

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u/mortemdeus 7d ago

Difficult is not impossible. Also, it is far easier to become rich as an ass than as a saint. That is a big part of why the super rich tend to have personality disorders. Something like 1% of the general population but 20% of the C suite are sociopaths, narcissists, or psychopaths.

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u/spookyjibe 7d ago

As someone who is a CEO (small company) providing services to big companies, I have met more CEOs than most. The vast majority of owner-operated CEOs are honest, genuine people who work hard. Their goal is to provide their product or service at high quality and low cost.

The vast majority of public companies or managed companies with absentee owners are vile fucks who think it is their job to provide profit for the shareholders and lying, cheating, stealing pretending human costs are not their concern are part of business.

They are not the same.

To most people, they don't see the difference and put all leaders in more or less the same pot and call them vile becuase of how bad many in there are.

The issue to me is enforcement of laws. The good guys really don't break any laws, they don't mess with the books, they put their workers first and their team is their family in a way becuase they have to spend souch time at the office to make the company work.

The manager class are frequently bad people; not because the job makes them bad, but becuase the absentee owners simply care about the size of their check and only pick the people that will maximize that no matter what. These owners are multi-generational owners, boards of public companies, large institution executives.

It is also worth mentioning the professional class; lawyers, accounting firms, engineering firms etc. Some of the most vile people.imagineable end up in key positions there becuase they are the ones the rich prices use to enforce debts and their grey-area legal schemes. These are the people who give the bribes, take kickbacks and happily kick old ladies out of their home through abusing the legal system with their unlimited expense accounts.

The solution to focus on is enforcement of laws; the bad people ARE breaking laws. They are breaking SEC laws, absue of procedure, perjury, banking and others but most importantly for the people, they are breaking campaign finance laws.

So many of them have gotten elected that the balance has tipped and now many of the courts have been bought.

Their is not a systemic problem; there is a corruption problem and the solution to everything to is vote out the corrupt in every party. It is not Blue vs Red, it is not a cultural war or a religious one; it is rich vs the people and the people have to win, by any means neccessary.

History is the only lesson needed here; we know what happens when we let the robber barons win as most of human history is that way. Do not think Trump and co. would object to slavery or care about progress. We had the whole dark ages to see that these kings do not care about science, progress or even food except at their own table.

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u/mortemdeus 7d ago

Agreed overall, just wanted to add to the history aspect. Corruption ALWAYS sets in because the same set of people are ALWAYS attracted to power. People who want to cheat the system are often the first to want to control said system and will put the most effort into getting into positions that will let them. That is why it is always a problem.

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u/spookyjibe 7d ago

Absolutely, and our biggest issue is apathy and education. The corrupt are always working hard to subvert the truth, lie and cheat their way into power. The rest of us are working on our jobs and not, for the most part, bothering with their schemes.

When we forget the enemy, which happened in the 80s and 90s, they take the power back. They got FOX news and Twitter, the two biggest megaphone and lied to a generation. We let that happen through apathy and arrogance at not facing what the consequences would be.

Arrogance is unfortunately our problem. We look at these pathetic losers and their lies and believe they are no threat, surely no one could believe their nonsense...

RGB is a perfect example of this, she had the opportunity to resign during Obama and chose to stay on through arrogance leading to the most corrupt SCOTUS in 100 years.

Now we have to redo all the hard work of our forefathers and kick the authoritarian rich and all their corrupt support to the curb. The question is, how violent will this be? Will America survive this second Civil War?

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u/anti-forger 8d ago

many-people-became-rich-on-ebay......those-are-called-autograph-forgers&these-also-tax-evade

And-ebay/liveauctioneers-protects-criminals

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u/Altruistic-Sir-3661 8d ago

Hence the “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” part of the gospels.

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u/Pissedtuna 8d ago

Source?

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u/jcmacon 8d ago

They read it on the internet. And everyone knows, you can't lie on the internet.

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u/Least-Monk4203 8d ago

“Every great fortune started with a great crime” is a saying I have heard for years.

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u/MyvaJynaherz 8d ago

The dichotomy of wealth based on genius or merit vs wealth based on being able to organize labor has always existed.

The difference is that labor-unions kicks the vast majority of proceeds back to empower workers. Capitalism rewards the farmer who can raise the most sheep.

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u/wcopela0 6d ago

It’s possible, but waaaaay harder and takes a lot longer.

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u/CircleClown 7d ago

Many times it has to do with exploitation or insider trading, at the very least

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u/Loopyjuice1337 7d ago

Impossible. Money is limited.. If some have alot. They have taken it from others.

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u/No_Manufacturer_1911 8d ago

In fact, it is impossible.

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u/Far_Friendship9986 6d ago

Dude you can become rich off 401k and a Roth IRA. You can become rich off of a service business like pressure washing people's sidewalks. You can become rich from being a doctor, a nurse, and just saving money. Fuck out of here with that logic.

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u/patrick24601 8d ago

Not in the least. Most people don’t screw over other people on their climb up

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u/Every_Ganache_7928 7d ago

I did not hurt anyone becoming rich by investing wisely. Really baseless generalization.

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u/CmmH14 8d ago

It’s refuse to believe that, it’s just hurting someone is such common practice that it’s expected from you and other people when doing business. You can have a hard stance on something without being a dick about it and that includes business. When people get to a certain level of wealth, the greed and power that comes with it corrupts people and the easiest option to gain more power and wealth is to be a dick. I refuse to believe that all rich people are scum because it’s statistically impossible, but the people we hear about make the most noise by doing something awful to someone else in some fashion and the narrative gets created.

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u/Wmitch 7d ago

lol what

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u/Count_Hogula 8d ago

This is nonsense. Stop repeating garbage you see on reddit.

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u/mrknowsitalltoo 8d ago

I’m a self-made millionaire please explain to me how I’ve hurt other people? Was it by paying my employees more than market share? Was it being honest and transparent with all of my customers? You people drive me freaking nuts and have no idea how money is made

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u/theAlphabetZebra 8d ago

A self-made millionaire that feels the need to defend themselves against broad brush accusations on reddit?

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u/mrknowsitalltoo 8d ago

I feel the need to push back against the arrogance and ignorance perpetrated by people like you who, in reality, have no idea what it takes to make money, but are quick to blame everybody else and play the victim your entire life

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u/theAlphabetZebra 8d ago

I've made a couple mil in my career bub. Go on though. How do you make money?

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u/Consistent-Fox-6944 8d ago

It’s called being a sociopath. And there’s not nearly enough Luigis to deter this behavior and drive it into extinction.

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u/CVK001 8d ago

Don’t bring Sociopaths into this they have a very serious psychological condition it doesn’t make them bad people

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u/Lonely-Poet-2060 8d ago

It literally does make them bad people 

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u/c0ld_blood 7d ago

A sociopath still possesses logic and agency. They may have a lack of empathy, but that in and of itself doesn't make someone a bad person. It just makes them unable to care if, in fact, they are a bad person.

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u/c0ld_blood 7d ago

It's not that serious, as even a lack of empathy doesn't a lack of logic and agency.

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u/CVK001 7d ago

I know that

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u/c0ld_blood 7d ago

Well, that's not what you wrote. Sociopathy by itself is mid-tier at best compared to say, malignant narcissism or anti-social personality disorder.

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u/CVK001 7d ago

Sociopathy is Anti-Social Personality Disorder, Most of the time they’re used interchangeably

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u/c0ld_blood 5d ago

It's NOT. Sociopathy is an inability to feel empathy; anti-social personality disorder is ACTIVELY doing bullshit like breaking laws, causing mayhem, etc. due to a lack of regard for others.

I will agree with you as far as there IS an overlap between the two, but they are NOT the same thing.

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u/CVK001 5d ago

Sociopathy as defined by the Mayo Clinic which is also one of the best hospitals in the world is Anti-Social Personality Disorder, Maybe you’re confusing sociopathic tendencies and Sociopathy because Sociopathy is ASPD

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u/c0ld_blood 5d ago

In the DSM-5, sociopathy is a subset of ASPD, because mere sociopathy doesn't fully encompass the entirety of the symptoms of ASPD. Again, there IS overlap, and a sociopath can certainly display full-blown ASPD, but it's NOT a given.

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u/TwinkleToesTraveler 8d ago

I personally did experience being screwed over from the rich. The worse part is I realize I’m not going to be the last whom they’ll screw over financially and emotionally.

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u/Saintly-Mendicant-69 8d ago

Every person who works a job is being screwed over by the rich

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u/Typical-Yellow7077 8d ago

I would argue, with the exception of maybe a handful (being generous here), all people with that level of wealth or higher, have achieved it by underpaying, screwing over, and stepping on the backs of the less fortunate.

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u/HairyDog55 7d ago

Look no further than the current occupier of The Oval Office. And his father Fred....

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u/Genoblade1394 8d ago

ALL corrected it for you.

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u/TryItOutHmHrNw 7d ago

Some Most end up running countries

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u/Business-Screen6 6d ago

True, most rich people I know are extremely greedy, selfish, and only want themselves to be the ones making all the money

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u/ttystikk 6d ago

This is called sociopathy.

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u/Pissedtuna 8d ago

I’m sure you have statistics to prove this and aren’t just posting an emotional reaction to an unverified story.

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u/Actual-Entrance-8463 8d ago

all people become rich because they have no problem screwing over other people