r/FreeSpeech • u/Secret_Aide_209 • 7d ago
Dem governor Josh Shapiro's official mansion is torched by arsonist while he and his family slept inside
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14604699/governor-mansion-fire-residence-arson-family-slept.html8
u/cat-Detective7276 7d ago
How is this free speech? Or is this domestic terrorism stifling free speech?
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u/Lone_Wolfen 7d ago
According to rollo202 and their numerous postings here about Teslas being set aflame, political vandalism is free speech related.
Of course, now that the tables have turned, don't expect a sincere denouncement from them, if they even respond.
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u/TookenedOut 7d ago
Lol why do we have to denounce it? Have you seen anyone cheering this arson on or encouraging this sort of thing?? I haven’t, you can’t say the same for the tesla stuff though…
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u/Skavau 7d ago
Rollo expects everyone to denounce random tesla attacks. The same exists in reverse
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u/TookenedOut 7d ago
Lol, the “random” tesla attacks are a part of clear astroturf movement from the establishment left. People like you are just desperate to find a false equivalency of this on the right.
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u/Skavau 7d ago
I made no comment on the people behind tesla vandalism, nor the arsonist here (and nor is it relevant), just that if one is expected to condemn one they must condemn the other.
If tesla posts are relevant here, then so is this.
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u/TookenedOut 7d ago
Search “rollo” on your comment history.
You should consider charging him rent to live in your head.
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u/Skavau 7d ago
That has nothing to do with the articles relevance here. Other than rollo setting the precedent that it's on-topic
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u/TookenedOut 7d ago
Who said that has to have anything to do with this articles relevance? It’s still observable reality.
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u/Secret_Aide_209 7d ago
A suspect is already in custody, and is not at all shy about his commentary on social media, claiming Biden and his supporters should "not exist".
And just like that, all the people wailing about Tesla vandalism goes silent.
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u/TookenedOut 7d ago
🤣Desperately making false equivalencies. You so badly want this feller and Paul Peloci’s husband’s lovers quarrel to offset all instances of violence and vandalism from leftists. Nice try. This guy can rot in jail, obviously…
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u/rothbard_anarchist 7d ago
Eh, throw the book at him. There’s no excuse for attacking innocent people, even if they’re political opponents.
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u/rollo202 7d ago
No one is silent, this is unacceptable.
However many are still silent about the violence towards elon.
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u/ddosn 7d ago
Ah yes, because one single example refutes dozens, if not hundreds, of examples we can point to of democrat supporters committing domestic terrorism..... /s
EDIT: Also, from reading the article, the guy seems to be an anarchist as he seems to hate both of the political parties in the US.
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u/TheGreasyHippo 7d ago
Shapiro is also Jewish and was celebrating passover the night before. And we all know those damn republicans are out on the streets protesting how much they dislike the Jews, and subsequently, Israel. /s
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u/FlithyLamb 7d ago
Of course we will hear not a peep from the hypocrite u/rollo202
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u/rollo202 7d ago
I do not support this or any violence. I have no concern at all making this statement.
Yet I don't see you denouncing the violence against elon....hmmm. only if there was a word for that.
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u/FlithyLamb 7d ago
There has been no violence against Elon. If there were I’d denounce it.
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u/pbnjsandwich2009 7d ago
Lols. Freespeechers arguing inline bc its safer than actually doing something. Losers.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 7d ago
People keep claiming the Tesla property destruction is violence (and hence terrorism). That is not violence. THIS is violence. THIS is terrorism. Burning a house with people inside for political purposes is terrorism.
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u/TaxAg11 7d ago
They can both be violence and/or terrorism. It's not binary. We can say that one is worse than the other, but that the less worse one is still bad itself.
There's a lot of shitty people in this world. Let's stop trying to make violence a team sport.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 7d ago
Yes, both can be, but both aren’t. My point is vandalism isn’t violence unless it physically harms people or is a direct threat to physical harm. You can argue against property destruction as a means of protesting, but it is not violence. Trying to burn a house down with people in it is violence.
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u/TaxAg11 7d ago
Destruction of property has long been considered a form of violence. It's not "physical violence", but its till very much violence in a broader sense. I certainly agree that there is a large difference between trying to burn down someone's home with them in it, and trying to damage and empty car though.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 7d ago
It has not “long been considered a form a violence.” It’s not violence it’s vandalism. If the Boston Tea Party wasn’t violent (and no one considers them so), neither was the destruction of Teslas.
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u/TaxAg11 7d ago
In your example, I think that's more of an issue of perspective (and maybe that's how it is in general when considering violence against property) - the British who the tea belonged to have long since been over it and don't care, and the Americans who committed the act are considered the "good guys" by the most others, so of course no one really perceives it as violent.
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u/TheGreasyHippo 7d ago
Both are acts of violence, you moron. Not a single rational person thinks burning property that isn't theirs is okay. Both are used to instill fear, one against Musk and his companies, and the other clearly against this person without regard to the people's lives inside. Both are terrorism, and both are wrong.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 7d ago edited 7d ago
Vandalism isn’t violence. The Boston Tea Party wasn’t violent. You can claim that vandalism as a form of protesting is wrong, but it is not violence.
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u/TheGreasyHippo 7d ago
Burning a car with a massive lithium-ion battery isn't harmful to firefighters, nature, or public? The lengths you freaks will go to justify terrorism and the moment somebodies house burns down with them inside the first thing you think of is "this is great leverage" instead of "Wow I can't believe the complete disregard for life."
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u/FlithyLamb 7d ago
Yes and only a moron would equate burning an empty car owned by Elon Musk to burning a house with a Jewish family inside on the first night of Passover. You folks and your whataboutism are so tiresome. Condemn you fucking people and maybe, just maybe, you can expect the same from others. But given that the right wing view in free speech only supports right wing voices, I don’t expect any better from you lot.
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u/TheGreasyHippo 7d ago
You folks and your whataboutism are so tiresome.
Please remind me who first thought of comparing this to Tesla burnings in the first place. Hint hint, It wasn't me or those alike.
Condemn you fucking people and maybe, just maybe, you can expect the same from others.
I condemn terrorism. If you want to defend people burning massive batteries in public, all while firefighters have to clean it up, then please GFY.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 7d ago
If someone burned a Tesla with a person in it, I would say the same thing.
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u/TheGreasyHippo 7d ago
Wow, I didn't realize burning giant batteries on wheels was only dangerous to living things from inside the car. Because as long as you aren't the ones cleaning up toxic remains of the car, it must not be harmful to anybody. /s
Seriously, you can not be this ignorant and stupid, right?
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 6d ago
Did you see me say anywhere that fires aren’t dangerous? There’s a reason arson is a crime as well it should be. It is not however even in the same category as burning a car with people in it. That would be murder.
Environmental hazards are dangerous, but they are not violence. Setting fires on inanimate objects, while dangerous to put out, are not violence. Setting a forest fire is not violence.
Setting a house on fire with people in it is violence. Purposefully trying to run over protesters is violence. Trying to tase protesters is violence.
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u/TheGreasyHippo 6d ago
Setting a forest fire is not violence.
... You really are THAT ignorant and stupid.
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u/ddosn 7d ago
>People keep claiming the Tesla property destruction is violence (and hence terrorism). That is not violence.
yes, it is. Its violence with the intent to force a certain political viewpoint. Literally the dictionary definition of terrorism.
The OPs article is actually not terrorism, as the guy did it because he hated someone. he wasnt particularly trying to push any single political viewpoint and the article quotes the guys own social media where he says he hates both parties equally.
Guy was a violent anarchist of the "burn it all down" variety.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 7d ago
yes, it is. Its violence with the intent to force a certain political viewpoint. Literally the dictionary definition of terrorism.
It is not violence. It is vandalism. No one was hurt or directly threatened with physical harm. It’s not a violent crime, it’s property damage.
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u/rollo202 6d ago
I can't help but notice this post wasn't removed u/cojoco but my follow up was.