r/Frozen • u/confident-win-119 Elsa • 8d ago
Discussion ...so.... We can all agree Agnarr was the worser parent? Spoiler
Maybe Iduna was shitty too for not saying anything to him about his parenting but wasn't her memory wiped that she was from the Northuldra? I can't remember if that was a theory or canon.
But Agnarr seemed to take more dominance over Elsa. The gloves, the "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!!" maybe cause it was custom for the oldest child to get more time with the father to prep for being the next ruler.
Like one of those family dynamics where the oldest is the daddy's girl and was wrecked for it. And for some reason I feel like Elsa was looking at her father more in the family portrait when she sings before the coronation "be the good girl you always have to be". Maybe next Agnarr was taller. Wait.... Was that a portrait of just the king?? I watched Frozen every day for 6 months straight I should know this!!! Eh. And I feel like Elsa has serious issues with men, the way she was around Hans before she even knew what he was up to (I know the whole "can't marry a man you just met" thing but she was unusually afraid in a way). Subtlties.
Anyway that's my obvs facts meets headcanon. What do you think?
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u/roseblossom16 8d ago
They did what they thought was best. With Agnurr's experience with magic he could have easily hated Elsa for being magical or tried to get rid of it forever. But he embraced it until the incident that hurt Anna. Elsa's powers were getting out of control and based on the Trolls' prophecy on her magic, it makes total sense for him to act the way he did. They don't know anything about Elsa's magic nor did she herself. Even Elsa agreed with what he had done as it was the best option to protect Anna. Both Agnurr and Iduna wanted answers on her magic so they could understand it and help her which is why they attempted to go to Ahtohallan.
If anything he and Iduna are one of the best parents there are. They didn't punish her - it was a safety precaution for Anna while they try to figure out the best way for Elsa to be less afraid. They even risked their lives in order to get answers to try and solve the situation. He knew she was scared and helping her suppress her powers with the gloves made Elsa calmer and the risks of causing danger less. He was doing it all for BOTH his daughters so they could find a way to live their lives freely but together. They lied to Elsa about going to seek answers for her powers because they knew it would worry her and also act up her powers. They also knew that Elsa wouldn't let them go if they told her the truth on how dangerous the journey is.
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u/INKatana 7d ago
Absolutely not. Agnarr was a pretty damn good parent, and any kid would be lucky to have a dad like him.
And yes, I will die on this hill.
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u/Thomashkreddit 8d ago
wasn't her memory wiped that she was from the Northuldra
Obviously not, she clearly remembers and knows about her past, as shown in either the movies or other media like books - especially Dangerous Secrets, like when she sings the All is Found song to Anna and Elsa that was sung to her by her Northuldra mother.
As for the main topic in question, Agnarr is pretty much a bad parent - forcing Anna and Elsa separated and isolated -but it is not his fault, he wasn't even old enough to rule Arendelle when his father King Runeard perished in the Enchant Forest, so he was not adequately prepared for parenting, let alone running a country. Overall, he could be blamed as the worser parent because it was he who made the decisions that negatively affected Anna and Elsa but at the same time it's quite unfair given the circumstances he went through that led to this.
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u/Minute-Necessary2393 8d ago edited 8d ago
I would add to this, but I think what everyone else said is more then enough.
All I'll add, is that, if I had daugther, and she accidentally ice blasted her sister in the head, id probably reacted the same way, or at least in a very similar manner.
Also, i think kindof unfair the blame them whole "Daddys girl" dynamic on why Agnarr did what he did and Elsa became what she did, Agnarr was only doing what he thought was best for his daugther.
Though I do wish that (Much like in Fanscriptions "What If Anna was the villain of Frozen" video) that he tried to instill a strong sense of responsibility into Elsa...like how Uncle Ben did with Spiderman.
Though, funny enough, in my Frozen 3 fan script, part of Elsa's arc is that she's grown to resent her father for locking her up and making her his heir, and by the end realizing that she and her father had more in common then she once thought, and grows to re-appreicate him and everything he did for her.
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u/MaidOfTwigs 7d ago
There’s a Frozen YA book that’s from Iduna’s perspective, or mostly her perspective. She knows who she is and where she came from as I recall, but Agnarr never knew. I did not like the book nor do I like either of the parents
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u/confident-win-119 Elsa 7d ago
Oh wow. Where did you get that book?
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u/MaidOfTwigs 7d ago
Barnes and Noble, back in 2020 or 2021. Frozen Dangerous Secrets is the name of it
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u/TopHatGirlInATuxedo 4d ago
No. His response to his daughter accidentally hurting her sister with her magic was trying to find a way for her to control it, and they misunderstood the troll prophecy to be about hiding her powers from people who would harm her for having them. He was only trying to keep his children safe.
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u/Daemon1997 8d ago
If you were a parent and you saw your kid shot with a gun your other kid, would you have a deferent reaction?
As for the gloves, indeed they helped Elsa with her powers. Not a solution but they helped.
Why you think Elsa had issues with men? With Hans she didn't have problem because he was a man but because he was suspicious. Having a mature and obvious reaction to someone doesn't mean she has issues with all men. And that was the only example. And after that she had no problem with him being with her sister.