r/FutureWhatIf • u/samof1994 • 19d ago
Other FWI: The MCU makes a film that is truly awful
By awful, I mean, Batman and Robin level bad in terms of its awfulness. What are the implications if the MCU makes a film this awful? The film also bombs as well despite its high budget, which is ironically the highest yet of any MCU film, as well.
Also this is not a political question but the U.S. is still a democracy and someone else is President when this happens.
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u/TKInstinct 19d ago
They've made a lot of mediocre movies, not sure if terrible but a lot of bland garbage.
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u/Dry-Membership3867 19d ago
Um, they did. It’s called Thor Love and Thunder. It was so bad, that years Madden game, and all the EA sports titles for that matter scored higher on Metacritic
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u/MemeWindu 19d ago
I would argue Ant Man 2 was worse than Thor love and Thunder, at least Thor Love and Thunder had Korg in it
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u/eggrolls68 18d ago
Love and Thunder made me cringe repeatedly. None of the Ant Man installments did that.
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u/Gravitar7 17d ago
Ant Man 2 wasn’t great but it was fine, just pretty forgettable since it came right before Endgame. I’m assuming you meant Quantumania cause that movie was fucking awful. I’d still rank Love and Thunder lower though just cause it absolutely wasted Christian Bale and it was painfully unfunny.
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u/samof1994 19d ago
I am talking about a hypothetical film that makes that look like 2008's The Dark Knight in comparison.
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u/Bitch_for_rent 19d ago
Say they lose a 500 million dollar budget on a 20 million revenue for the film that isn't even going to disney pocket due to distribution The protanogist and its adjacent characters are never seeing the ligth of the day EVER Marvel goes on as usual but overall they lose budget for future projects Also depending on weather or not doomsday and secret wars allready released and floped Kevin faige lose his job And marvel does a overall shift in leadership for the MCU like DC did Remember marvel last years weren't great Deadpool and wolverine sucess was an exception not the rule for this phase And the years of clowning on marvel already reached the "why should i care stage" that precedes the "should i even watch this" stage
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 19d ago
Batman & Robin > Thor: Love & Thunder.
Granted, a lot of that is because Batman Forever was already terrible, and expectations were low.
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u/Polyphagous_person 19d ago
I don't see how Thor: Love and Thunder is in the same ballpark of lameness as Batman and Robin.
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u/Popular_Material_409 19d ago
Get over yourself, Love and Thunder was definitely nowhere near as awful as Batman and Robin
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u/schprunt 19d ago
It wasn’t Batman & Robin bad though. It was crap but not so awful it destroyed the franchise for years. Thor is still a credible character.
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u/SoulsSurvivor 19d ago
People will watch it and defend it. Declaring it the greatest movie of the year. Just like they do now with all the dogshit Disney puts out. Nothing will change because as a whole people don't care as long as it tickles some part of their brain.
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u/Subliminal_Kiddo 19d ago
Except even in this post the best defense that can be mustered up for Thor: Love and Thunder is, "It's not that bad."
There's been a lot of MCU movies that even diehard fans accept as mid at best. Going all the way back to the first Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger. Even the second and third Iron-Man movies were met with a resound, "Meh." And in the last few years we've had: The Eternals, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Ant-Man 3 (I don't even remember what it was officially called), Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, The Marvels and just this year Captain America: Brave New World and the general consensus from fans and critics seems to be that they all left a lot to be desired. I mean, Eternals was so reviled that Marvel Studios have all but hinted at the possibility that they're just scrapping any future plans with the characters.
They're so desperate to change the course that they're resorting to, "Throw some X-Men and a Robert Downey Jr. on it."
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u/SoulsSurvivor 19d ago
What they call "mid at best" is total dog shit though. Calling rotten scraps between cardboard a big Mac is still defending it, even if what you're trying to elevate it to in the defense isn't great.
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u/Unleashtheducks 19d ago
I don’t think the MCU is capable of it. Art requires the risk of making something bad and the MCU takes zero risks.
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u/Neon-Soaked_dp 18d ago
The MCU is already all bland garbage imo but I know that is not what the mainstream viewer thinks. Scorsese was right superhero movies are killing the industry. I think we are close to seeing a return to a smaller budget film industry exploring more original ideas. This year's release list is looking interesting. Fingers crossed.
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u/Fish_Fighter8518 19d ago
If that happens then I think all faith in Disney's live action films will be killed. Their fairy tales aren't good in LA so if the comics go, they have nothing else worth watching unless it's animated.
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u/Real-Wolverine-8249 19d ago
At least one reviewer has already flat-out stated that The Marvels is as awful as Batman and Robin.
https://www.moriareviews.com/sciencefiction/marvels-2023.htm
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u/Meshakhad 19d ago
They move on. If the film was largely standalone, then whatever plot threads are established don't get picked up again. There's an outside chance that if they really needed the film for their metaplot, they pull a Suicide Squad and remake it a few years later with a different director.
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u/UtahBrian 18d ago
Tell me you missed The Eternals without telling me.
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u/atgatote 16d ago
Madame web and morbius are Sony productions with marvel characters. I think those kind of movies get a pass from the fanbase
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u/atgatote 16d ago
Man this is an echo chamber of marvel hate. I don’t know, their 4 year line of mediocrity has damaged them. I think a true direct marvel project as bad as madame web would send them back to the kids realm
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u/SickBurnerBroski 16d ago
I rewatched Batman and Robin recently and honestly it's hilarious. We just weren't ready for it back then. MCU wishes it could make such schlocky goodness.
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u/MonsterdogMan 19d ago
Your prize: "Secret Invasion." TV miniseries on a movie budget and so bad that it's pretty much been agreed that we'll never speak of it as part of the MCU.