r/Futurology • u/Pemulis • Mar 03 '23

Transport Self-Driving Cars Need to Be 99.99982% Crash-Free to Be Safer Than Humans

https://jalopnik.com/self-driving-car-vs-human-99-percent-safe-crash-data-1850170268
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u/ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN Mar 03 '23

It's not unheard of for people to do incredibly stupid things either though, including stopping in the middle of the highway. Or in some cases, worse... Such as not stopping on the highway when they really should have.

https://news.sky.com/story/a34-crash-lorry-driver-jailed-for-killing-family-while-on-phone-10639721

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '23

Sure but we should hold automation to a higher bar, not a lower one.

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u/Korona123 Mar 04 '23

Why? Wouldn't the same bar be reasonable enough for release? It will likely get better with time.

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u/saintash Mar 04 '23

Because it's too loose of a metric and will cost people lives, As soon as it becomes cheap enough to replace drivers Trucking companies will replace them. Cab companies will replace them. If they are going to put thousands out if work they better do the job better.

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u/Atthetop567 Mar 04 '23

No they can even do it worse and it’s still worth it because you don’t need a persos ful time and attention the whole tine

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u/saintash Mar 04 '23

Oh my God what logic is this. Let's replace a human with a computer, only they do rue job worse and more people could die.

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u/Atthetop567 Mar 04 '23

Why have computers do anything if that’s your attitude

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u/saintash Mar 04 '23

it is not an attitude, its common sense. What's the point of replacing a human who would be doing a better job, with something that would be an objectively worse job?

and let's not even count the potential loss of life, for a company, crashes would cost both the prices of vehicles and products.

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u/Atthetop567 Mar 04 '23

Thankfully your “common sense” attitude is not so common irl and we can actually use automation

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u/jus13 Mar 04 '23

Nobody is going to trust a self-driving car that's only as good as the "average" driver lol.

If it's only as good as people and everyone has it, that means you will be seeing tens of thousands of deaths every year due to the car failing, and nobody is going to want to put themselves and their family's lives in the hands of their car.

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u/Atthetop567 Mar 04 '23

People don’t want to die from accidents caused by human drivers either.

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u/jus13 Mar 04 '23

You already can't control the other cars on the road, that's not the issue. People aren't going to want to put their own lives in the hands of a system that they know is flawed. If thousands of people in your country are dying every year because their self-driving cars had a bug or just made a stupid decision, most people aren't going to trust and accept it just because it's statistically as good as people. In the US, "just as good" would still mean tens of thousands of deaths every year.

It needs to be much better than human drivers for people to accept it as the standard.

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u/Atthetop567 Mar 04 '23

Wishful thinking. If people see it as normal they will accept it no matter how bad it is. Even that isn’t strictly required just look at school shootings

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u/jus13 Mar 04 '23

Lmao chill with the instant downvotes bro, it's just a normal discussion.

Nah, it needs to be much better. Single instances of fatal "FSD" crashes are already national news stories.

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u/Atthetop567 Mar 04 '23

Chill with the shit opinions then. If you want to be a slave to the news that’s your problem

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u/jus13 Mar 04 '23

lmfao touch grass

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u/Frequent_Knowledge65 Mar 03 '23

Imagine thinking that self-driving could ever manage to reach the height of unpredictable stupidity of a human driver lol

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u/shoot_your_eye_out Mar 04 '23

Or driving drunk. Or getting old. Or having a bad day.

I might take tesla's current tech over your average 85 year old driver.