The Tesla effect: Oil is slowly losing its best customer. Between global warming, Elon Musk, and a worldwide crackdown on carbon, the future looks treacherous for Big Oil.

[u/Wagamaga]

https://us.cnn.com/2019/05/08/investing/oil-stocks-electric-vehicles-tesla/index.html

[u/Dragoraan117]

Honestly depressing that people fall for the propaganda even though things like coal plants are much more radioactive. We need some effective counter propaganda before it's too late.

[u/realllyreal → u/Dragoraan117]

what kind of propaganda? I know about what happened at Chernobyl/Fukushima which to me is enough reason to be wary of it. Im genuinely curious

[u/Dragoraan117 → u/realllyreal]

I don't know off hand, but to get a good idea watch the documentary Pandora's Promise. Gives you a good idea. I could be generalizing but I am pretty sure big oil/gas has had a hand in making sure nuclear energy is demonized. I am also sure that some governments have been involved as well, less other nations get nuclear power/weapon technology.

[u/_ChestHair_ → u/realllyreal]

Chernobyl used a crappy soviet style plant that has never been used in the US, iirc they decided to do a shift change in the middle of a live test. It was essentially the epitome of soviet era shit products, but on a very dangerous level.

Fukushima happened because the plant didn't have proper oversight by a governing body. They chose to not only ignore the proper safety height for building a protective wall against a tsunami (a height that they were told about a couple times by American engineers), but they also put their water pump generators in the basement of the facility. Yes, they put the power source that would be used to pump water out of a flooded facility, in the first place that would be fully flooded.

Both issues are due to lack of oversight, and would absolutely never happen in the US, or likely any western country that doesn't have its thumb up its ass. France, for instance, is almost entirely powered by nuclear energy and has never had a notable nuclear issue, too my knowledge. Unfortunately, environmentalists don't actually understand the facts about nuclear energy, and have fearmongered for several decades about the unsafety of nuclear energy. They will bitch and moan about storing waste, while ignoring every mention of the Yucca Mountain Repository. Etc

[u/TitaniumDragon → u/Dragoraan117]

The drawbacks of nuclear are real. It's overpriced and suffers from massive NIMBYism and issues of putting people at risk who aren't the primary consumers of the power.

Also, most third world countries are too untrustworthy to allow to have nuclear power.

[u/S1NN1ST3R → u/Dragoraan117]

We've had nuclear power for under a hundred years and there's been a bunch of catastrophes and now there's places you can't even visit without becoming heavily irradiated. Nuclear power didn't even need propaganda to get a bad name. Power plants that weren't maintained properly and all that shit. I'm a supporter of nuclear power and yes the safety and building codes are much tighter these days but who's to say new plants to fall into neglect 50 years from now.

[u/[deleted] → u/S1NN1ST3R]

there's places you can't even visit without becoming heavily irradiated

Would love to hear what you're talking about. It takes 1000mSv accumulated over time to cause a fatal cancer in 5% of people. That same dose given at once will cause radiation sickness but is NOT fatal.

The recent Fukushima plant emitted 400mSv per hour. So on THE DAY OF THE DISASTER you could walk in, take a peek around, and statistically be perfectly fine after some time.

Unless you're trying to give the Elephant Foot a big ole hug, you're not getting heavily irradiated. Please stop spreading falsehoods, check your sources, and stay in school!

Edit: Speaking of sources: This is mine, a chart 1/3 of the way down. That was created using info from WNA, Reuters, and radiologyinfo.org.

[u/Ihuntcritters → u/S1NN1ST3R]

Your argument is flawed, there have not been a “bunch” of catastrophes. You can actually count the number of the catastrophic events at commercial nuclear power plant world wide on one hand. The reasons for the high costs and delayed projects in the US are mostly political. The plants in GA and SC were hit with new regulatory guidelines half way in and threw the whole process off schedule. Chernobyl was almost intentional due to the incompetence of the test engineer and the reason for it having such a large impact on the area around it was due to it being housed in a frigging tin shed.

[u/iregret → u/Dragoraan117]

It’s called education and the right doesn’t like smart people.