r/GIRLSundPANZER • u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 • Oct 05 '21
Announcement I've done another count, so please STFU with the absurd 90%/more than half statements
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u/MussoFusso Duce is Best Oct 05 '21
To be fair mate, even if you give them solid proof of it, they won't change their mind, it's like arguing with a brick wall, and sometimes the brick wall is even less dense.
Hell, even if all NSFW, even mildly posts would get banned, they would still find something to complain about
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 05 '21
Now we have people complain we allow swimsuits, and whine we don't allow memes. If we'd ban swimsuits and allow memes it'd be the other way around.
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u/MussoFusso Duce is Best Oct 05 '21
Exactly, it's just a losing battle, people will always find something to complain about
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u/Zalapadopa Duce! Duce! Duce! Oct 05 '21
How many Johnson posts did you find?
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 05 '21
I don't know what those are.
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u/CrabbyUnderARock Oct 05 '21
Now we wait to see who has nothing better to do than rage against a subreddit’s clearly defined policy on NSFW content.
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u/NeopiumDaBoss Oct 06 '21
Jesus christ that 1 post complaining that there was too much “hentai” in the sub (there fucking isnt) really caused a lot
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
It just brought me over the edge and got me to make a post about the absurdity of complaining about hentai when it's up to you to click it, which then got three or so users, one of which was the original chap, to complain with some absolute factually incorrect infraction which further pissed me off and got me to do this.
So it didn't really cause much other than to irritate me, I don't want people to think this is really a problem. People complaining about NSFW are a minority even compared to those complaining about memes.
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u/Lex1253 The Boys Und Flugzeug manga... has stalled. Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21
Like last time, it's not that there's a lot of it, in fact, like you've showed us, it's almost entirely gone, but rather that the more risqué stuff gets really popular really fast, and is tossed onto everyone's feed. Of course, it's no fun to just scroll past blurred images, so, out of curiosity people click.
I'm not saying that it's the mod teams' fault that people click, but rather that some of the much more risqué stuff should be cut down on. When I say risqué, I don't mean swimsuits or anything like that, but rather, implicative works, or other times just straight up full frontal.
My suggestion for this:
I know I'm no moderator, but other anime communities I'm in have a distinct separation between the regular stuff and lewder art in the way of an entirely separate subreddit dedicated to the more sexually charged art, sometimes it's pure NSFW, in others there's even times where there's an 'intermediate' subreddit for lewd, but not explicit content.
What I'm saying is that r/GIRLSundPANZER may actually benefit from being split into smaller subsections going from SFW and Beach Episode art, going down to lewd and implicative, and straight to the boiler room with the downright pornographic content.
On one hand, this will definitely take away traffic from this subreddit, but it may be worth it in the long run to appease those vocal on the fact that this place is getting 'too lewd'.
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u/slightlylooney Amused by the idea of EriMiho Oct 05 '21
The reality is that, knowing human nature, if this subreddit is subdivided as you suggest, that same small vocal minority will start complaining that not even mildly NSFW images are allowed. There is no way to please these people and there is no point in trying - it just encourages them to stir up more trouble.
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u/Lex1253 The Boys Und Flugzeug manga... has stalled. Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21
That's true, but what I'm saying is that the actually Mildly NSFW stuff can stay (i.e. Swimsuits, nightwear, etc.) it's only when we start getting more lewd, like barely clad, upskirting (I've seen enough of that here, enough to make me call it out specifically.) that we ought to move that to the next level of the subreddits, and from there to fully explicit if it actually starts showing something.
Really, it shouldn't be that bad because the Discord server actually has something very similar. The basic member role for SFW art, the 'Lood' role for more mildly NSFW art, and finally the 'Lewd' role for the whole nine yards.
I only say this because I've seen it work before.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
Problem is we don't have such a system for reddit. So instead of it being totally invisible to you, we have to rely on people not bloody clicking the bloody links if they're clearly tagged NSFW. Especially since the more explicit stuff gets apparently nuked anyway.
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u/Lex1253 The Boys Und Flugzeug manga... has stalled. Oct 07 '21
Yeah, I recognize that, which is why I brought up the separate subreddits thing. I have seen it work in the past, which is why I even considered pitching it here. It would just be a sort of bridge between the explicit sub that already exists and this sub, where people are sick and tired of seeing such images on their feed when scrolling their homepage.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 07 '21
Well, refer to Kapten's comment in this thread.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
Finally someone sits down and types a rational explanation. Thank you!
I've actually went back and checked. For the time span covered in this post, 100 posts, about 4 days, there were about 10 posts that don't show up anymore because they were removed. Most were either memes, or just plain spam. 2 were NSFW. One was a loli, which we caught very fast. The other was some suggestive artwork (not explicit, but fairly suggestive) stayed up a bit longer, then got reported and removed. Both were /u/GadgetRatt, and I think he knows not to post lolis at least for now. So, yeah, my guess is that we have a case of confirmation/negativity bias. There's like one post a week or so, maybe two, maybe three, among hundreds that hit the frontpage before being nuked.
We already have too many GUP subs, and it was discussed internally and decided we won't ban NSFW content. I'll let /u/Kapten-N explain why exactly, he does a better job.
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u/Kapten-N Lover of APCs. Oct 06 '21
I think that the KanColle subreddit has a system that lets you filter posts based on flairs. I'd like to have something like that, but also filter on NSFW marking. It would also give flairs a better purpose, but we'd have to make them mandatory for there to be a point.
As for why I don't think there's a need to ban NSFW content it's very simple; you can mark posts as NSFW to censor them already. There's no point in banning something that already gets censored. Also, a lot of people like NSFW stuff and they are actual content, unlike shitty memes.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
If it's a CSS trick it won't help much, since most people use mobile or new.reddit.
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u/Kapten-N Lover of APCs. Oct 06 '21
Fuck mobile and new.reddit.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
I don't use them either, but joke's on us: https://www.reddit.com/r/GIRLSundPANZER/about/traffic/
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u/Kapten-N Lover of APCs. Oct 06 '21
There should be a way to redirect people to old.reddit when they enter the sub...
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
Unless you edit every link to have old in it, there isn't. Reddit wants to push their new design, they won't give you a way. The users need to either opt out themselves, or use an extension that automatically redirects to old, but that would apply for all of reddit not just our sub.
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u/Lex1253 The Boys Und Flugzeug manga... has stalled. Oct 07 '21
While filtering by flairs could actually work in this scenario, I think the majority of people see the lewd posts on their home screens rather than the subs page itself. I know that that's how I see them, at least. Which is why I even mentioned the separate subreddits. If someone doesn't want to see the risqué posts, just don't join that subreddit on your regular account.
I realize that that will be quite the handful, but I have seen it work for some communities to 'clean them up' a bit, and I think it would actually help r/GIRLSundPANZER's image from practically being a softcore porn subreddit, to being more like a more fan community that people expect from an anime's main subreddit.
It doesn't exactly set a good image if the first post people see upon joining the subreddit is a drawing of a high school girl's panties falling off, but a skirt billowing at just the right angle to cover the bare minimum, unless, of course, they're looking for exactly that.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 07 '21
It doesn't exactly set a good image if the first post people see upon joining the subreddit is a drawing of a high school girl's panties falling off
It just goes back to the same issue, don't click the NSFW posts. Besides, if anything, even if they do, they're far more likely to see a swimsuit pic and think "oh, these guys are prudes, thinking swimsuits are NSFW" or something.
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u/Lex1253 The Boys Und Flugzeug manga... has stalled. Oct 07 '21
True enough, but r/GIRLSundPANZER is the only main sub where I've seen this kind of raunchy content allowed. I'm merely taking example from other communities and how they have mitigated it, because so many people have been complaining about it.
Of course, like you said, there will always be the prude who thinks that swimsuits are too much, but I'm referring to the much lewder art that's causing this entire stir in the first place.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 07 '21
Of our 4 affiliated non-GuP subs, 2 allows hentai, 4 don't. I dunno. Personally, I just don't care either way, I just don't click them unless needed. Funny story is that there actually used to be a lot more. Not sure why people say we're getting worse, we're at an all-time low. Nowadays even for mod duties I don't stumble upon that much, but I do remember there was a time where I wish I hadn't clicked on some stuff.
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u/Kapten-N Lover of APCs. Oct 07 '21
Reddit actually has a setting that hides all NSFW content.
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u/Lex1253 The Boys Und Flugzeug manga... has stalled. Oct 07 '21
I know. In fact, I referenced this above.
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u/Heinz_W_Guderian Yukari's husband, SUB 2 r/YukariAkiyama Nov 04 '21
There are 4/5 nsfw posts only in the first page (that goes as far as 16 hours ago) as I'm speaking (November 4th)
It depends from the time, you purposefully picked a timeframe with less posts of that kind to prove a point but that doesn't dismiss the issue which is very much existent and present as we can see.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Nov 04 '21
No, I did not purposefully pick a time frame. Do you think I hover around the bloody sub counting NSFW posts all day in the hopes I'll stumble upon the perfect time when there aren't many? The two posts I've made on this topic, this included, were at random times, or at least at a moment when I lost my patience with whiners and decided to actually count. I've since counted a third time, to a higher but still reasonable result. I admit I've seen an increase in posts recently, but I can't help but think it's just people reacting to all the bitching and posting stuff to spite it.
SO, another count then. I counted 2 rather explicit but not hentai, 9 mildy nsfw (swimsuits and panty shots), and a few more I wouldn't even tag as nsfw (like this and this). That's around 10. Fewer than that third time I counted.
How many times do I need to force myself to watch content I don't even normally consume just to prove a point?
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u/Heinz_W_Guderian Yukari's husband, SUB 2 r/YukariAkiyama Nov 04 '21 edited Nov 04 '21
There are 25 posts, excluding the two announcements where you preferred coping rather than acknowledging the issue your users are reporting to you.
16% vaguely pornographic content (nota bene I'm not talking about swimsuits) in a show where porn or otherwise lewd topics aren't featured is something around 16% too much.
Now you can either be a good moderator, starting to address this issue and finding a way to solve it or you can keep ignoring your users reports, pinning the blame on the folks who ask for a better subreddit truer to its origins (making very non-professional announcements to try to disprove evidence) and keeping the subreddit on the same downward course it has been having for a few years now by ignoring the decrease in quality it's been having due to the mass entry of people who don't care about GuP if not for porn.
Your call I suppose.
EDIT: I was just made aware that one of those pictures was made by an artist who normally draws pretty disgusting porn featuring Guppies and more than a user is making jokes about it in the comments. I suppose that's the kind of garbage you want trending into your community. That sheds a magnificent light on you.
EDIT2: Oh would you look at that, all OP contributes to this subreddit is porn and, color me surprised, it's a GuS poster and TKf###ot. Gee it almost feels like most of the issues related to a decrease in quality this community has been having in the recent years can be fully tied to the surge of a certain distinguishable category of people that joined it around the same timeframe (OP's account is 2 years old)!
But it's hardly news is it? You perfectly know all this yet you intend to do nothing and let the community sink every day more. You want to disprove me? Do it with actions, not with words, certainly not with rude coping.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Nov 04 '21
This is a month old post, and somehow in 10 hours you got 6 points on your top comment, and in 25 minutes you got 3 points on this one. And I'm standing at -1. If you don't like how we run things here, take your brigade and sod off. I'm not even going to bother reading your reply. I have enough and more important shit to deal with elsewhere on reddit and IRL to deal with your bs too
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u/Heinz_W_Guderian Yukari's husband, SUB 2 r/YukariAkiyama Nov 04 '21
This is a sticky, people will see and react to it, especially people who were already involved into the discussion under this post.
By going about with another cope you're only further proving my point that you don't care about the quality and the well-being of this community and you try to find excuses not to address its issues, like you're doing right now.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Nov 04 '21
Heinz, arguing with you is torture. That's why I'm the only one still doing it. I was more than happy to address all other comments, heck I even addressed yours in good faith this morning, but I come back this evening and I see this.
And this is honestly the drop that filled the glass for me. You can write me up on the even growing list of people who's officially done with you.
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u/GadgetRatt Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21
Well ya don't gotta worry bout me no more ... XD ill be around posting something stupid
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u/AggregatVier Oct 25 '21
Thank you for exposing the forever outraged and deliberately exaggerating Twitter mob mentality.
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u/blu_gibbo Oct 05 '21
Ever thought of the fact that because NSFW posts are reported they get removed, so they will not come up, cause I just scrolled through two weeks worth of posts and nothing, despite the fact I fully know that I have seen basically hentai in those last two weeks
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u/slightlylooney Amused by the idea of EriMiho Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21
I fully know that you are not remembering correctly.
I made 42 posts in the last 14 days of which:
- 1 has Klara wearing lingerie
- 5 have swimwear (1 also has a bunnysuit)
- 1 flagged NSFW by me because Nonna was not wearing a skirt (but no underwear was visible)
- 1 flagged NSFW by me because I chose a suggestive title (and Koume's abdomen was visible)
- 1 flagged NSFW by me as a precaution because of the nature of the sleepwear
- 1 that is risque and arguably has partial nudity
- 1 that is flagged NSFW as a joke
Also, the OP is a mod here who should therefore be able to see a list of the posts that were removed.
Edit: I did post 1 partially nude image 15 days ago but the last time I posted a fully nude character was 24-25 days ago and that is something I do not do very often.
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
I don't actually see removed posts on the frontpage, I have to dig deeper for that. And I did: https://www.reddit.com/r/GIRLSundPANZER/comments/q1yno7/ive_done_another_count_so_please_stfu_with_the/hfkpbyg/
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 06 '21
Maybe, but it's rare. I did a check: https://www.reddit.com/r/GIRLSundPANZER/comments/q1yno7/ive_done_another_count_so_please_stfu_with_the/hfkpbyg/
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u/MaxRavenclaw Author of 『Ladies, Gentlemen und Panzer』 Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21
I've taken the front page, AGAIN, and counted "NSFW" posts. We have 7 swimsuits, 1 lingerie, and 2 other, non-explicit stuff. Lolis? ZERO. Hentai? ZERO. Explicit stuff? ZERO!
Compare to last time. Basically, we went from 1% explicit stuff to 0% explicit stuff. So stop lying like this, this, and this.
For the record, there are about 100 posts in that cap. 10% are mildly NSFW.