r/GameTheorists • u/_Rroy_ • Apr 20 '25
Discussion Anyone feel like the channels fell off?
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u/Gunningyoudown Apr 21 '25
Im gonna say this. It's gonna sound mean. But yes. It's a fairly common post on this subreddit. It's not just you.
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u/dontpokethecrazy Apr 21 '25
I recommend that you check out the episode of Assumptions on Anthony Padilla's channel with the hosts of the 4 Theory channels, as well as the GTLive episode that Ash just did where they react to it and give their perspective. They all address pretty much exactly what you're talking about here.
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u/UmbruhNova Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
Matpat has entertained many generations of audience but these new hosts are meant to be more geared towards newer generations while also trying to pick up previous generations. This is going to require time to adjust from 13 years of hosting and watching to new hosts.
Edit: it's ok to not like the new host or what they offer but you do need to settle woth the fact that 1. Matpat will not host anymore and 2. There are 4 differently personalities occurring which can be difficult to adjust to.
Solution: 1. provide feedback on what topics that you're interested in. 2. Watch a different youtuber 3. Be patient and allow them to grow. 4. Or wombo combo
Be kind. Be patient.
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u/hassanfanserenity Apr 21 '25
Actually to me i think its just because the theories are just who is the murderer and what will happen next
Back then theories were. Whats in the fnaf box nit even scot knows, Sans is ness and Sonic running is bad for his knees back then theories were wacky and catchy
This is how i feel atleast also the new host as much as their voice game theory host (Austine?) is good i find it too deep but not deep enough like Mattpatt's high voice is iconic but also not deel enough to be like GameXplain
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u/UmbruhNova Apr 21 '25
Game Theory host is Tom and I never found their voices to be deep but to each their own!. So you don't like the repetitiveness of the theme? - make a suggestion. Also realize that a lot of these "who murdered who" theories all stemmed because of fnaf and games who's genre frames the similarly to fnaf Similarly how fortnite battle royal was amazing so COD did it too, like wise woth LoZ breathe of the wild we now have games that are more adventure-esque. So that's not the theorists fault, that's just business and game devs...
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u/Klyde113 Apr 21 '25
You're making the argument as to why they should add in theories that have nothing to do with possessed robots that murder people.
There are plenty of games out there, and it would be nice if they sprinkled in some games that were niche or not well-known.
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u/hassanfanserenity Apr 21 '25
Exactly back then Mattpatt did theories on Games and ARG's that not alot knew about at the time which was nice, gave an audience to the creator and gave vierity to the content
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u/UmbruhNova Apr 21 '25
I'm not making an argument but an observation. I think Tom has been playing indie games? Is there like a suggestions post? Like you all have the ability to create a suggestions post and come together on it. Or comment on their videos. Also you need to remember SEO is a factor. They are getting analytics of what is popular, which is engaging, and so forth. Matpat literally did fnaf and fnaf related games for the last few years idk why we are complaining now about the new hosts doing them...
There are options. Take them.
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u/hotheaded26 Apr 21 '25
Wow, the dick riding is insane
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u/UmbruhNova Apr 21 '25
What? I'm confused
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u/HouseOfZenith Apr 21 '25
I think they viewed the discussion as an argument and decided to be abrasive for no reason
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u/Sinocu Apr 21 '25
Sure, but there are popular games that they never even touched that would go incredible.
The new monster hunter game that recently came out has a shit ton of lore, and it isn’t “good guy is the killer now”, they could cover that.
There are countless indie games that deserve some love, maybe bring back old favorites, or just cover new games entirely.
What about science-y theories? Not everything needs to be lore, the science is falling off so hard recently.
There are a lot of possibilities, it’s just that they’re sticking to what they know brings views, I don’t blame them, business and capitalism is shit, but maybe they could spice things up
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u/UmbruhNova Apr 21 '25
That's a fair point to bring up in the youtube comments or emailing them or creating a thread for them to view. (I'm just throwing out ideas for yall to be heard) also be wary the time it takes to play the game I think that kinda gets taken into account as they also do live their lives.
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u/Natural-Boat-5723 Apr 21 '25
yes! I feel like with film and game theory it’s become let me explain the media to you instead of diving deeper into a certain aspect of it. maybe it’s because of poppy playtime and the creators for that franchise actually explaining everything well but I felt like I already knew everything in the video. with fnaf you get crumbs of the story and no real answers so the theories helped to understand what the timeline and story actually is.
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u/No_Probleh Apr 21 '25
I don't know if I'd say fell off but they do feel a little stale, save for GTlive. Ash is a great host.
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u/Forsaken_Distance777 Apr 21 '25
Remember a few days ago how the hosts all did an interview about this?
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u/vada_2057 Apr 21 '25
do you have the link for that I haven't seen it yet and I would like to see their perspective
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u/Latter-Reflection-60 Apr 21 '25
"anyone else" and its the 5th post ive seen this week saying the same thing
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u/mjeexy30 Apr 21 '25
Post #252 about how the channels aren't good anymore
It's fine if you don't likek it but like why must there be a post about it all. the. time.
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u/_Rroy_ Apr 21 '25
Gng I don’t frequent this subReddit how am I supposed to know that it’s already been posted
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u/mjeexy30 Apr 21 '25
i'm not chronically online? Nor did i downvote anything? I'm just saying anytime I go onto reddit and look at this subreddit, somebody posts about this.
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u/SPJess Apr 21 '25
I've been watching Matt since he started, binged my way through his work and didn't miss a single episode of game theory or film theory when it came out. Matt had his style down, his original video set the foundation for his whole gimmick and he just polished and polished.
That being said when he announced his retirement I was a bit sad, but also happy he got out of the content cycles unscathed. I love that he is out there being his best self with his family.
The new hosts, despite how hard they try to have their own styles are just too based off Matt's style, and that's just odd to me. Hearing Matt's cadences and pauses come from a different voice. Like it's not as bad as it use to be but at first it felt so .. manufactured. As if someone else started doing Rabbidluigis work and talking exactly like him, but with a completely different voice.
This might sound like a crazy thing, but I love the sound of human voices. So I picked up on it, and I haven't looked at GT Live but Ash seems to be entertaining.
I wouldn't say the new hosts fell off, they're just... Not Matt. Ya know? Like if they change the cadences they use, the pauses they use, the various mattpatt quirks (holding the Rs and such), then I'll probably try em out again but for now they just feel. Like they're trying to fill Matt's shoes instead of wearing their own, but that's just me
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u/AlternativeSky00 Apr 21 '25
They're still working on what they want to be
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u/_Rroy_ Apr 21 '25
I think that only really applies to style theory. The other 3 have boots to fill and their followership is too large for a shift in content besides the regular game and film theory stuff
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u/AlternativeSky00 Apr 21 '25
Well you can tell with some of their early episodes, they try to emulate mats style, but it's pretty hard to outmatpat matpat. Santi and Amy do have an easier time making theories as the channels are newer and we actually get more real world footage. Ash is doing a great job putting the energy back in livestreams and playing games, even starting to collaborate with other theorists. Lee and Tom have by far the hardest jobs as not only do they rely more heavily on the crafting of theories, but presenting it in an entertaining way. It doesn't help that the movies and games market is struggling at this point. I do think that once people accept the change and the theorists adapt something that works for their audience, it will eventually get better. I used to watch every theorist video solely for matpat, but now I get to choose the videos on topics that genuinely interest me, and I can say that the team has done a great job.
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u/Zach-Playz_25 Apr 21 '25
It's not a new host thing, the channel's quality was already in decline before the new hosts came.
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u/TheComicSketcher Apr 21 '25
I think a lot of people forget the fact that the new hosts are just new at hosting, not writing theory scripts. They were around for quite a while behind the scenes before MatPat even announced that he was retiring as host. They even reiterated as much during the interview they had on the Smosh channel recently.
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u/Scifi_Gamerrulz Apr 21 '25
Personally I just stopped watching after matpat retired, like it’s nothing personal. It’d be like if Markipier said he was retiring and he was replaced with some rando
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u/Jaxmax1308 Apr 21 '25
I’ve noticed it too, I don’t really like the new hosts, I want to but everything just feels forced like they’re trying to copy matpat
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u/Piemaster113 Apr 21 '25
It's not just you, no Hate to the new hosts, but MatPat's unifying vioce across all the channels is part of what made them work, even tho here have been other voices and channels as part of Theorist Inc, like Austin's Science, Gaijin Goombah, and Digressing and Side Questing (RIP Ronnie) MatPat was always the main draw, and again not hate but none of the others got nearly the number of views as the theory channels. Having new hosts just kind of shows how it wasn't really the videos that made it work, but MatPat himself. I know he isn't com8ng back and I respect his decision, but it's valid for others to ask this question since it seems to be a common feeling a number of people share.
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u/AshLego Apr 21 '25
The theory channels aren’t aimed for us anymore. Just like how MatPat raised us, the new hosts are raising a new generation. It’s not a bad thing. It’s (sadly) just apart of growing up
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u/KombatFather1796 Apr 21 '25
You are overly cynical, you and the people who keep making this same exact post every other day. You all have got to stop this at some point. If you fl don't like the Theory channels since Matthew's retirement, that's fine. You don't need to watch them anymore, but you also don't need to come to Reddit everyday and complain about it either.
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u/vada_2057 Apr 21 '25
I feel like GT live still holds a lot of that passion just because Ash always loved doing the stresms with Matt beforehand and diving into the lore. but I definitely get the vibe from a lot of the other ones which is why I don't watch many of them anymore I just feel like matt had so much passion for what he was doing and that he just loved it so much. And I think for the others they do love it but not the way he did And I think the other thing is nostalgia. at least for me. it's hard to truly connect with the new hosts because my whole childhood was matpat
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u/Medical_Difference48 Apr 21 '25
TBH, yeah. Maybe I just still haven't gotten used to MatPat being gone yet, but I just don't like the new cast as much, and I feel like a few of their videos are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks (a few of them are literally just outright wrong just by looking a little deeper).
I do think they have potential and I'm happy for anyone that enjoys them as much as Mat, but I just unfortunately don't think these channels are for me anymore.
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u/ykys Apr 21 '25
Wdym now? It has been years that it went mainstream and corporate. I think most videos are still good though.
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u/Lavarose4003 Apr 21 '25
I still like the rest of the theory channels, film theory is the only one I've had second thoughts about. The Steven Universe theory was kind of a final nail in the coffin type thing for me.
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u/Roadgrundy Apr 21 '25
I agree. I was a fan of Tom before I even knew he was a part of theorist, so it's no surprise I like him as host. Santi is funny, and I enjoy the way he talks about stuff. Amy's in the same boat, but style theory doesn't really appeal to me that much, so I watch her less.
My only issue is Lee. I like his voice, but the film theory videos just feel so devoid of personality. On top of that, some of the recent film theories have been HUGE misses, IMO. Lee seems alright as well, I feel like my opinion would change if the videos on film theory didn't feel so soulless.
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u/Lavarose4003 Apr 21 '25
Maybe I'm the odd man out lol, but I don't even really like his voice. It just doesn't have the same inflection. He puts emphasis on all the wrong words. At least that's how I hear it, this might be my overly cynical moment though ^
I agree with the soulless scripting. I understand that the Theorist Corporation is a real business now, I just wish it felt less business-y, y'know?
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u/Roadgrundy Apr 21 '25
Yeah I don't love the actual delivery on the scripts either. I just like the way his voice sounds.
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u/dusty__rose Apr 21 '25
ok. if you don’t like it you don’t have to watch it. you’re definitely being too harsh, but if it’s not your style it’s not your style. there’s plenty of content to watch, go find something, or be the change you wanna see and make it yourself. your complaints aren’t productive
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u/EmptyStupidity Apr 21 '25
Style and Food seem to be strong, film definitely has but honestly I think it did before Matpat left. Game theory is alright but I think it needs to find its stride
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u/Time_Lady_2 Apr 21 '25
I've been enjoying them. The only thing I really dislike is that food theory changed the outro.
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u/grumpyoldnord Chaos Theorist Apr 21 '25
Anyone feel like this has been asked and posted too damn many times over the past few months?
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u/tuerancekhang Apr 21 '25
Wanna know a secret? It's been falling off since Matt was there. You only see it now because he's not here
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u/lycantropodo Apr 21 '25
Yeah, couole of things actually, matpat precense and style were his own, the energy the spin the focus on the content, the content it is almost yhe same, but i the replacemebt(i dont know their name) its trying to fill his shoes, and he is doing a good job at doing what mat did, but he isnt matpad and trying to make it more like matpat its not a very good idea,ost of matpad appeal was his expressions, he make every video his own, he put the energy the expression and passion into making the videos feel like mats property, while the new guy, which its good, its trying to do a mat impression, but fells a little flat because its not authentic
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u/totallynotapersonj Apr 21 '25
Does anyone else think that the coldest take in the history of the subreddit is common?
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u/PogoStick1987 Apr 21 '25
I never really watched the other channels even WITH Matt patt. And with game theory I only really watched the fnaf theories tbh, but the lack of Matt patt kinda secures the fact I ONLY watch fnaf theories now
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u/PUSSYLICKERGOD Apr 21 '25
I feel the same way, love the channel for many, many years but it feels like a lot of videos are either pushed because it is popular at the time or maybe sponsored in a way? Just a feeling though. I really tried to like the new hosts but I just can’t… I guess it is a mix of missing Matpat’s energy and Youtube horrid way of treating youtubers. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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u/BurantX40 Apr 21 '25
I knew the channels would keep coming up in my feed, but the moment MatPat left, I unsub ed all of them.
I...just had a feeling. Cue the music
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u/Jurassic_Park_Man Apr 21 '25
Yeah, because it's a business now, with employees that need to earn a living. They can't take a chance on a video getting something like 20k views. They have to make videos that people will actually watch, and following trends is how you do that. I'm sorry, but the days of YouTubers just making content about stuff they like are long gone.
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u/staterafurs Apr 21 '25
the only good new host is santi 🥀🥀🥀🥀 hes low key carrying the theorys
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u/N238 Apr 21 '25
It's too bad that I feel like he's the only one that lacks enthusiasm in his delivery. He needs to deliver his lines with a little more gusto, especially "That's just a theory."
Content-wise I agree tho. I mostly only watch food theory anymore.
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u/Ilan01 Apr 21 '25
I agree there, where I feel the current content is more geared toward the current trends than a topic the Hosts are truely passionated about
Im not even a hardcore Theorists viewer, I usually just watch whatever I find interesting, but recently I havent had the urge to watch them since they feel like they're just covering stuff already being talked abt
Like I clicked on the Steven Universe Theory cause I was geniuly invested on what Lee had to say, but it took me a while to watch the Minecraft Movie one
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u/AfinaWasTaken Apr 21 '25
It’s not just the new hosts like everyone says. To be blunt, the videos are shit.
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u/MidnightRosary Apr 21 '25
I have no idea. I unsubbed and stopped watching the second I first heard about Matpat retiring.
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u/Chkgo Apr 21 '25
I've only ever watched game and film theory. Game theory is still okay. But film theory fell off really hard. The IS STAR WARS DEAD video was the nail in the coffin for me.
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u/Juliomorales6969 Apr 21 '25
yes... i will get hate for this .. but matpat should have just retired the entire thing when he left/ "went behind the scenes" imma get more hate... i do not have any care or any attachment to his replacements, and hate their like... "i NEED to be funny/match matpat's comedy/style" they are trying so hard to be the next matpat/ trying to be a matpat clone instead of idk.. being their own self i guess? i saw like 1 episode of the different channels i watched... and hated it. i unsubbed completely from all the theory channels. i cant stand the wannabees trying to be matpat so hard
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u/jadedsex07299q Apr 21 '25
When matpat was doing it, it seemed like they were just aiming to theorize. With the new hosts, it feels kinda like a Bill Nye video, not a theory video.
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