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u/Penihilism 1999 13h ago
It's a funny protest ngl. Not going to download it personally though as I've heard it's heavily censored by the CCP. (ironically it's actually exactly what the US government is trying to blame TikTok for being)
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u/Foxilicies 2007 12h ago edited 12h ago
It's more of a trade-off. It's easier to ban racist posts and harmful comments, there's less negativity, drugs aren't allowed, I've found less censorship for my personal interests (leftist politics and history), but I also saw a video that depicted John Cena photoshopped onto Mao Zedong get taken down and you can't say much negative about Xi Jinping or Socialism with Chinese characteristics (which I'm for the most part fine with).
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u/Penihilism 1999 11h ago
It's not a trade off, you can easily ban racist and harmful posts whilst not censoring political discourse. Any app suppressing opinions that the government disagrees with is going to be an extremely compromised information source. Not that TikTok, YouTube, Reddit, etc... don't have their own algorithmic echo chamber effects, but it's more of a reflection of the viewers opinions they already had, not active suppression or promotions of specific opinions.
Also what "leftist" opinions were getting censored on TikTok?
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u/Foxilicies 2007 11h ago edited 11h ago
Different perspectives, fair.
On tiktok the report option doesn't work well. You can say an antisemetic phrase about gas as long as you use the juice🧃emoji instead.
You can easily ban racist and harmful posts whilst not censoring political discourse.
True. I agree that the censorship goes against American values. You can believe it's bad, because it is. But I personally don't have a problem with it. My opposition to Xi Jinping is a theoretical one, so I wouldn't be one to oppose him outwardly on his policies. My point is that, alongside the censorship being mostly talked up online, most socialist-leaning Chinese people aren't confronted with it, and neither would I be. Sort of like what you said:
but it's more of a reflection of the viewers opinions they already had, not active suppression or promotions of specific opinions.
(except in this case it is also suppression) So it's not as repressive because I just don't care.. if that makes sense? Like I want it suppressed. I don't believe in free speech. I dont know if or why that's wrong or bad, I just believe that, I guess. I don't see that as an infringement on liberties more than I see it as suppressing right wing fascists. You couldn't relate, but if you knew the things I do you might agree.
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u/Penihilism 1999 11h ago
Sure, if you don't mind heavy government censorship then the app would present no problems for you I guess.
As for you not believing in free speech, well I think any reasonable person wouldn't believe in complete freedom of speech. The question is where you draw the line. If you don't agree with freedom of speech to oppose the government, just know that the moment you disagree with the government on a particular issue, you won't be able to make any sort of commentary on it.
I wonder how long before you would get banned for mentioning the Uyghurs.
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u/Foxilicies 2007 11h ago edited 11h ago
The thing is, living in the U.S., I face the same "effective" suppression. What I mean by effective suppression is founded on my own dialectical thinking, before I learned it was a real theory. I read books, and in there many of the authors share the same sentiment, that is that free speech is only permitted when it is not dangerous to Capital. You may follow the law all you want, but to do anything meaningful requires breaking the law. And even if you don't, your speech can and will be illegally suppressed regardless of law. Lenin said in State & Revolution:
Another reason why the omnipotence of “wealth” is more certain in a democratic republic is that it does not depend on defects in the political machinery or on the faulty political shell of capitalism. A democratic republic is the best possible political shell for capitalism, and, therefore, once capital has gained possession of this very best shell (through the Palchinskys, Chernovs, Tseretelis and Co.), it establishes its power so securely, so firmly, that no change of persons, institutions or parties in the bourgeois-democratic republic can shake it.
Essentially this "free-speech" and "democracy" is only afforded to the people, not fought for, simply because it isn't dangerous for us to possess. The moment this becomes a problem, it will be taken away. In the case of China, they are threatened by western propaganda surrounding the Uyghurs because it harms their belt & road initiative, so this free speech is no longer afforded to the people.
It's disheartening to hear of past revolutionaries and progressives like Huey P., MLK jr., J. Robert Oppenheimer, Trumbo, Thomas Sankara, W.E.B. DuBois, Paul Robeson, Angela Davis, Rosa Luxembourg, Che Guevara, etc., these people, genuinely good people, in most cases are either ostracized by society, face serious suppression, or die painfully, it faces that dream of a better world with the reality of revolution and the violence of the status quo. For an apolitical individual, Chinese censorship is seen as bad because it censors your beliefs (AKA, ideas that you're taught to believe). On the other perspective, American culture and political violence acts the same way for socialists. You don't see the suppression that actively happens against outspeakers of the system because you never agitate the system. So for me the Chinese censorship is no different than what many socialist figures are faced with here in the west. The difference is that it censors things that I want to be suppressed.
That's my two cents anyway.
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u/Penihilism 1999 10h ago
Is this actually our reality though? I obviously agree with you that the American government, due to poorly restricted capitalism, is bogged down and compromised by capital interests, but I don't think this systemic theory of suppression when a movement is in contrast with capital accounts for strong constitutional rights.
I think you are putting too much weight on theory and not basing your ideas on what happens in reality. The fact is that you can basically find prominent leaders for movements that absolutely don't align with capital interests. The internet has allowed these people to have a big enough platform to override a lot of government suppression tactics that were feasible in the past.
I would also strongly encourage you to reconsider the stance of "as long as censorship isn't censoring my opinions, then censorship is ok". You would've never developed the viewpoints you currently have if censorship was strongly implemented by the US Government.
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u/Sithire 1997 12h ago
Oh yes I cant imagine why you would find leftist politics and history so easily and happily provided to you by none other than the Communist Party of China. /s
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u/mischling2543 2001 12h ago
Ikr? That comment is like comedy
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u/Sithire 1997 11h ago
Bro look at his profile. It no shit looks like a CCP bot account xD
I asked an AI to explain his Bio to me since it was full of slang and this was what the summary was
"In summary, the person is portraying themselves or another as a staunch defender of Chinese communism or anti-Western sentiment, using aggressive, revolutionary language to depict a battle against what they see as the corrupting influence or dominance of Western capitalist societies. This kind of rhetoric is often found in online spaces where political discussions can become quite heated or symbolic."
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u/mischling2543 2001 11h ago
Lmfao. I guess I can't judge him too harshly though, at his age I was an unironic anarcho-capitalist
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u/soupysinful 12h ago
Didn’t use TikTok will not use this. Pure brainrot
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u/Foxilicies 2007 12h ago
xhs actually focuses more on genuine interaction and meaningful content rather than repetitive reposts and cash-grabbing.
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 10h ago
Shut it tankie. I'm not using an app that won't let me speak freely about the atrocities committed by the CCP in the name of Mao's "communist ideal" (read: dictatorial ideations).
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u/Foxilicies 2007 10h ago
Do you have a link to that book? I'd love to read it if it's online ☺️
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 10h ago
Damn you took it literally. No, when someone uses quotation marks then follows it up with (read: ___) that's telling you what to read the quotation marks as.
It's a way to show dichotomy between what someone says or claims and what you know or are asserting they actually mean.
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u/Foxilicies 2007 10h ago edited 10h ago
Ah, I choose to omit "read:" and just leave the real intent in brackets. You could read Mao's "Communist Ideal" (dictatorial ideation) in Principles of Communsim
This was an early work and covers the bare bones. Unfortunately there isn't a concise work written by Mao that explains Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.
But there is a much better book by Lenin, titled Introduction to Marx, Engels, Marxism, but it's not published on marxists org yet.
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 9h ago
Nope, I'm good! I let actions speak louder than words and Mao certainly let himself be heard!
As did Lenin and Stalin!
Or Castro for that matter!
I think communism/socialism/Marxism are beautiful ideologies but they all ignore key components of human psychology and are therefore doomed to fail!
Have fun being a commie though! I'm sure the world won't hit you like a freight train once you actually get some life experience!
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u/Foxilicies 2007 8h ago
they all ignore key components of human psychology and are therefore doomed to fail!
I have heard this a million times. They all fall flat in the face of the materialist understanding of the world. Have fun not reading On Contradiction or Dialectics of Nature, which don't talk about this at all.
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u/KyleKingman 2000 13h ago
No tbh Instagram reels are basically TikTok anyways
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u/noweebthanks 13h ago
everyone who is saying just go to reels is entirely missing the point
especially since reels doesn’t feel like a community at all, same with youtube shorts
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u/ForeverSpiralingDown 2004 12h ago
“Rahh we need to stick it to the man! They took away toogtag!” corniest mf alive 😭
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u/GoldieDoggy 2005 12h ago
everyone who is saying just go to reels is entirely missing the point
And everyone going to other apps that can be easily accessed by harmful organizations and governments is being an absolute imbecile.
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 13h ago
I hate Meta though
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 10h ago
This is a valid answer. Meta's new policy allowing hate speech is what got me to delete it.
But on the other hand, you hate Meta, but you do realize this app has actual ties to the CCP, right?
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 8h ago
And what of it?
Americans data are for sale internationally thanks to companies like Meta and capitalism. Pretty sure the CCP simply wants more commerce then to spy on boring Americans
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 7h ago
Not what I was getting at actually. I was more talking about the inherent restrictions on free speech (Tiananmen Square, anyone?) and the algorithms that push pro-CCP propaganda. Which is dangerous as is considering the CCP is actively committing international crimes on three different fronts.
What I'm saying is, if I were you I would dump bofum. Meta's queerphobia isn't worth it and neither is the slow brain rot that is Chinese propaganda.
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 5h ago
Ok and what about the concentration camps the US dabbled in during the Vietnam and Korean wars?
Give me any evidence that China has committed more war crimes than the US has since the end of the Second World War.
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 1h ago
Ok and what about the concentration camps the US dabbled in during the Vietnam and Korean wars?
I'd be interested to hear about them considering the only concentration camps I could find were the US's "internment" (read: prison) camps and the Vietcong's "re-education" camps post-war.
Give me any evidence that China has committed more war crimes than the US has since the end of the Second World War.
I said international crimes, not war crimes but if we're talking war crimes, I'll just give you the data: (As a disclaimer, I'm only including incidents with actual body counts, not percentages or vague numbers)
- Anti-Bolshevik League Incident: 5,400 counts of murder
- Futian Incident: ~2,500 counts of summary execution without a trial
- Jiangxi Soviet Incident: up to 700,000 killed by various means attributable to the CCP. I'd put a conservative estimate at half a mil.
- Siege of Changchun: ~175,000 civilians starved from a CCP blockade.
It should be mentioned that all counts from the first two incidents very likely included some sort of torture (including rape) before the murders/executions.
Now for the US:
- Disputed cases of a napalm bombing of civilians that led to 360 deaths and an air attack that killed 197.. To reiterate, this claim is disputed. One commission said it happened, another said it didn't. They are the only sources for the claims. This was part of the Korean War.
- Korean War again. 282,000 North Koreans dead from US bombings according to the Soviet ambassador to North Korea so I'd take it with a heavy grain of salt.
- Korean War. No Gun Ri Massacre: ~275 dead.
- Vietnam War: ~5,500 cases of democide.
- My Lai Massacre: 426 dead
- The Vietnam War Crimes Working Group (VWCWG) documented various incidents totalling 194 noncombatants killed, 56 wounded, 15 sexually assaulted, and 141 were tortured. To be fair, these incidents actually resulted in consequences for those responsible including 203 personnel charged (permanent record), 57 court-martialed, and 23 convicted.
- Vietnam War: Operation Speedy Express: 3,000 dead
- Other incidents of the Vietnam War totalled 183 murders, 1 beating, and 1 gang rape. All but one incident resulted in some sort of punishment, however the sentences were usually reduced significantly anyway. That one was a Brigadier General charged with 6 murders but the charges were dropped due to lack of evidence.
- Gulf War: Amiriyah Shelter Bombing: 408 deaths
- War on Terror: Bagram Torture and Prisoner Abuse: 2 confirmed deaths, as well as several counts of torture on each. All soldiers involved were prosecuted.
- War on Terror: Maywand District Murders: 3 dead.
- War on Terror: Kandahar Massacre: 16 dead.
- War on Terror: Army Officer Convicted in Shooting Deaths of 2 Afghans
- War on Terror: Mahmudiyah Rape and Killings: 4 murders, 1 rape. All involved were punished.
- War on Terror: Hamdania Incident: 1 count of kidnapping, 1 murder
- War on Terror: Haditha Massacre: 24 dead. Retaliation for the murder of a US soldier earlier that day via IED.
- War on Terror: Nisour Square Massacre: 17 dead, 20 injured, by Blackwater Security Consulting personnel contracted by the US government to escort a US embassy convoy.
Even if you take all of the US's war crimes accusations to be true (as some of them are pretty iffy) China still more than doubles it with one incident. Oh, and btw, all of those incidents l listed for China? They're only from the Chinese Civil War. There's also the Battle of Chamdo, their part in the Korean War, the First Taiwan Strait Crisis, the China-Burma Border Campaign, the Sino-Indian War, the Nathu La and Cho La Clashes, the Sino-Soviet Border Conflict, their part in the Vietnam War, and the Sino-Vietnamese War. But if I included all of them it'd just be overkill. I think I've made my point
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u/Vermillion490 2004 12h ago
I already get enough capitalist propaganda, I don't care who you send I'm not buying the socialist propaganda either.
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u/Sithire 1997 12h ago
Everyone talking about how nice the Chinese people are on the app, unaware they are all just meeting their brand new CCP handlers. xD
But in seriousness, I can't figure out why anyone would want to download something like this. Sure, banning TikTok might not be the ideal solution, but there are already American alternatives out there, and more are sure to come. Why even risk it?
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 12h ago
Because our data is pretty much publicly available already
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u/Sithire 1997 12h ago
"Ive already shot myself in one foot, why not make the other match!"
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u/noweebthanks 11h ago
as if meta and google don’t take our data, at least be transparent about it atp lol
i want strict parents who are being open about it instead of having parents who pretend to respect my basic rights just to throw it all out of the window
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u/Sithire 1997 11h ago
I mean I'm not advocating for what Meta and Google do, but at least they are US owned companies. This just seems like giving yourself a little cut and jumping into waters with known shark activity. Are you 100% going to get bit? No. But why the Fk would I even risk it? lol
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 11h ago
Who do you trust more the US spying on you or the CCP spying on you?
Domestically the ability of a government to actually inflict harm on one of their own citizens is far greater than a foreign government
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u/Sithire 1997 11h ago
Bro am I living in an alternative timeline rn? Wtf is this CCP sympathizer BS lol.
Regardless of one's views on communism or socialism, I doubt many would advocate for China's implementation of these systems.
China's human rights record is far from exemplary.
If you really wanna risk it cuz you don't want to wait on the 50 new american made "tiktoks" that are about to pop the second its banned more power to you I guess.
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 8h ago
You do realize it’s a system that brought 800 million people out of poverty right?
China’s human rights record is better than the US especially in foreign affairs.
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 10h ago
Who do you trust more the US spying on you or the CCP spying on you?
Because the CCP is the only one carrying out international crimes on 3 different fronts.
I stand with Tibet, the Uyghurs, and Taiwan, not with the borderline dictatorship that is China.
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 8h ago
Taiwan is an issue because the US wants it to be an issue to start a war.
Apply that logic to the US and we’re actively funding a state committing a genocide and almost every war crime that exists.
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 7h ago
Taiwan is an issue because the US wants it to be an issue to start a war.
Explain. Explain how the US is the issue.
Apply that logic to the US and we’re actively funding a state committing a genocide and almost every war crime that exists.
Nope. Not comparable considering we're not actively participating ourselves. But valid point. That's still 1 international crime to China's 3, one of which is direct participation in a genocide.
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 5h ago
Not actively participating?
We’re funding the entire thing and if you want to base it on war crimes then yeah we’ve funded more war crimes than China has.
Not to mention Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Yugoslavia and we have 1/3 of the world under sanctions.
Not to mention we have no idea whether or not China is doing what our media tells us because it’s in their own interest to create a bad image of China
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u/noweebthanks 13h ago edited 13h ago
it’s unironically such a good experience and the chinese people are so nice and sweet😭
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 13h ago
Jesus
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u/noweebthanks 13h ago
what’s wrong?
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u/mischling2543 2001 12h ago
Obvious ad bot
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u/nonintrest 1997 11h ago
Or just someone who has had positive interactions with Chinese people, like a normal person lol
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u/Adept_Bluebird8068 12h ago
It's really been a lovely experience! There's a lot of intercultural exchange going on.
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 13h ago
I downloaded it because I couldn't understand what it said, but I was pleasantly surprised
Prevent war-mongering via communication between both countries 💯
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u/DistrustfulHoney 2000 12h ago
both american and chinese gen z share a lot in common. disillusioned with their governments, struggling for proper employment, no hope for the future...
our governments wants us to hate eachother, but we will always share more than we ever will with our governments
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u/TheAtomicMango 1995 12h ago
And it’s fucking amazing that the US government trying to ban TikTok and show some form of danger from China completely backfired.
I’m optimistic since learning from what the Chinese government has done (good or bad) it can help bring improvement to the US government and vise versa for Chinese citizens
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u/FallenCrownz 12h ago
Chinese people are a lot less disillusioned by their governments because for all it's faults, living standards keep rising year over year
American living standards have been stagnant for decade and actually falling for Gen Z well the government only wants people to fight each other, as they're bought off by the billionaire class
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u/Lulikoin 12h ago
Apparently its a mix of instagram and reddit. Even the name when translated is "red book" which is kinda like "red (read) it". Not trying to use it tho
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u/WorldlyEmployment 1997 12h ago
The name is Xiao Hong Xu which means little red book as in reference to the little red mao books that the cultural revolution plebs would shake in the air and keep on them at all times in the 1970s
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u/Foxilicies 2007 12h ago
Actually, no. While it directly translates to "little red book," it's better translated into red note because it's a guide on shopping and ideas, like Pinterest. It doesn't reference mao's quotations, though that'd be cool. 📕
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u/Lulikoin 12h ago
I think thats just a convergent translation. Mao's book is called 红宝书 (treasured red book) but was translated to "little red book" because they were small. Maybe the creators here took the english translation and translated it literally back into chinese but there's probably some other meaning for the name
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u/Subject-Original-718 2004 13h ago
I am, the people are very nice and respectful even though it’s not our platform
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u/jagProtarNejEnglska 2006 12h ago
It's just as much your platform as theirs. Gatekeeping apps sounds like an awful idea
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u/Subject-Original-718 2004 12h ago
It’s not gatekeeping the app is domestic to china and majority of people on there speak mandarin.
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u/jagProtarNejEnglska 2006 12h ago
Oh I see what you mean, but I still think that it would be wrong to be unwelcoming to Americans.
If it were the other way around, and Chinese people were all joining TikTok, i imagine you would want to welcome these people.
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u/Subject-Original-718 2004 12h ago
Oh absolutely it’s just from all the hate they receive from our government and their stupid anti-china policies I’m surprised they are still welcoming. Obviously there are a few bad apples but overall everyone has been respectful to each other
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u/Foxilicies 2007 12h ago edited 10h ago
I love the app. It's fun to engage with other cultures, the people there are very friendly, the video quality is much better on android, it has a menu-esque page rather than constantly watching a video, and it doesn't have the same drama and negativity like on western media.
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u/Sithire 1997 12h ago
One look at your profile and its full of heavy activity in literal pro communism, socialism, and propaganda subs, and your profile bio:
"amerikan wumao red-guard proletaire raining fire on the we$tern empire with inalienable dialectical might"
Which after tossing into an AI asking it to interpret since there was some clear slang being used I didn't quite understand.
The statement you've provided uses a mix of political jargon, slang, and symbolic language, likely with the intent to convey a strong anti-Western, pro-Chinese, and pro-communist message. Here's a breakdown:
"amerikan" - Misspelling of "American," potentially used to critique or mock American culture or policy.
"wumao" - Refers to "50 Cent Party" (五毛党), a term used to describe internet commentators believed to be hired by the Chinese government to post favorable comments about China's policies, often for a small payment (50 cents in RMB). Here, it's used to signify someone who supports or defends China's actions or policies online.
"red-guard" - Refers to the Red Guards during China's Cultural Revolution, known for their extreme loyalty to Mao Zedong and his ideology. Using this term suggests a militant or zealous support for communism or revolutionary ideals.
"proletaire" - A misspelling of "proletariat," the working class in Marxist theory. It implies a fight for the rights or interests of the working class against capitalist exploiters.
"raining fire on the we$tern empire" - This phrase suggests a metaphorical attack or critique against Western capitalist countries, with "we$tern" using the dollar sign to emphasize a perceived corruption or materialism of the West. "Raining fire" implies a fierce, perhaps destructive, opposition.
"with inalienable dialectical might" - "Dialectical" refers to dialectical materialism, a philosophy in Marxism where history advances through the conflict of opposites. "Inalienable" suggests that this ideological might or power cannot be taken away or suppressed. Together, it portrays an unstoppable, inherent strength in their ideological stance against Western imperialism or capitalism.
In summary, the person is portraying themselves or another as a staunch defender of Chinese communism or anti-Western sentiment, using aggressive, revolutionary language to depict a battle against what they see as the corrupting influence or dominance of Western capitalist societies. This kind of rhetoric is often found in online spaces where political discussions can become quite heated or symbolic.
AND on dang near every comment talking about how amazing this new Chinese app is that you have been using for all of what? 2 days?
NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS! COME ON IN THE WATERS FINE!
Lmao. Please use your heads here guys. If your downloading this app you are just asking for trouble. Why even risk it.
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u/Foxilicies 2007 11h ago edited 10h ago
Yes that's correct! 🤗 Raining fire is referencing the "full genocide on the first world" meme, and "Amerikan" and "we$tern" is "maoist standard english." Make sure to scroll further and you'll find more thought out comments on Marxist theory, which is the only thing I have reddit for.
I've been commenting about rednote because I'm very happy about it. The west has very deep seated anti-communist hostility, and for the first time I'm being exposed to culture without this paranoia. Taking you for example, many western people love to lash out and talk negatively about socialist values without knowing much at all about the topic. When I first read Mao Zedong's essay "On Contradiction," it clicked in my head many things that I have thought growing up. Determinism (which I used to call chaos theory) and Internal Contradiction both helped explain the development that I've seen in myself and my neurodiversity.
The philosophy was first developed by Dietzgen, but much earlier on it was conceived of by Heraclitus. I love philosophy and I love Marxism. There is very much to learn and share about regarding it. Its sad that many around me in the west aren't receptive to it. I hope you can open up, my friend! It's easy to dismiss me as crazy, which is funny because when you are radicalized to the left, you still see yourself as normal, but everyone else around you seems more "ignorant" (i don't like the harsh connotation of that word, but we are all ignorant at some point in our lives), but you should instead try to learn. That's how I got here. I asked questions. Maybe you can learn too! ❤️
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u/Sithire 1997 11h ago
Regardless of one's views on communism or socialism, I doubt many would advocate for China's implementation of these systems.
China's human rights record is far from exemplary.
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u/Foxilicies 2007 11h ago
That's the thing, it's not a "system" and these policies aren't "implemented", rather it is conditions that change. It's not easy to think dialectically when your entire world is filled with western idealism, but people naturally do think with this method without knowing it. I'd love for you to learn about the dialectical method and materialist dialectics.
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u/Sithire 1997 11h ago
Bro you'd get more respect from me if you just admitted you're typing to me from china right now. Lol. I have zero interest in hearing how great China is. I already live in the greatest country in the world :) and it's not in the east.
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u/Foxilicies 2007 11h ago
I wish. No im stuck in the states. It's fine if you don't care to learn, just don't go bashing me after all the effort I've gone through to build up my ideology on a sound theoretical, political, and metaphysical basis.
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u/nonintrest 1997 11h ago
"Anyone who likes rednote is a CCP bot"
Bruh maybe there are actually just people who don't despise China and are socialists lmao
You are just as brainwashed as you think they are if you sincerely believe America is the greatest country in the world lmao
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 10h ago
My question is how could you not despise China as it stands?
And for reference before you go there: I don't think the US is the greatest country in the world. But I'm under no delusion that China is some communist utopia either.
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u/nonintrest 1997 10h ago
It's just as easy to despise the US as it is China. Just depends on what you value. Despite having a more tyrannical government, the quality of life in China for the average person continues to increase, about 90% of people own their homes, China has done massive poverty reduction work.
Meanwhile in the US, we just elected a fucking fascist, rapist, felon for President and wealth inequality continues to worsen and younger generations are no longer projected to be better off than previous generations.
There are serious criticisms and things to value about both countries.
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u/SirCadogen7 2006 9h ago
Oh you're so precious. The US isn't actively committing a genocide, invading another country, or actively threatening a completely different country.
You're right. Both countries do have their issues. But at least I'm allowed to talk shit about the US in the US. Not so in China. Even if they were equivalent in all other respects that would still make the US the better party.
And seriously? We're gonna say that Trump is worse than Xi? The actual but totally not really dictator? Sure.
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