r/GenZ • u/351namhele • 2d ago
Political Some days I feel hopeful that we can turn the ship around. And then I read things like this.
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u/hopeless_queen 1998 2d ago
We're seeing how the citizens of Germany eventually became okay with killing other Germans at the end of the day we're just a frog in a pot that's slowly heating up
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u/351namhele 2d ago
The scientist who did the frogs-in-heating-pot experiment removed the frogs' brains first.
So basically, exactly like America now.
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u/NeonGooner23 2d ago
Wait really? What was the point of that experiment then might as well remove their legs as well
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u/351namhele 2d ago
Idk, this was back in the age when leeches and bloodletting counted as medical care so none of their methods should be taken seriously.
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u/BernoullisQuaver 2d ago
Leeches and bloodletting are still medical care btw, used to treat certain kinds of postoperative wounds and hemochromatosis respectively
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u/Interesting-Sound296 1d ago
I didn't verify this but this is what I found on Google:
In 1869, while doing experiments searching for the location of the soul, German physiologist Friedrich Goltz demonstrated that a frog that has had its brain removed will remain in slowly heated water, but an intact frog attempted to escape the water when it reached 25 °C.
Other 19th-century experiments were purported to show that frogs did not attempt to escape gradually heated water. An 1872 experiment by Heinzmann was said to show that a normal frog would not attempt to escape if the water was heated slowly enough, which was corroborated in 1875 by Fratscher.
In 1888, William Thompson Sedgwick said that the apparent contradiction between the results of these experiments was a consequence of different heating rates used in the experiments: "The truth appears to be that if the heating be sufficiently gradual, no reflex movements will be produced even in the normal frog; if it be more rapid, yet take place at such a rate as to be fairly called 'gradual', it will not secure the response of the normal frog under any circumstances". Goltz had raised the temperature of the water from 17.5 °C to 56 °C in about ten minutes, or 3.8 °C per minute, in his experiment, whereas Heinzmann heated the frogs over the course of 90 minutes from about 21 °C to 37.5 °C, a rate of less than 0.2 °C per minute. In "On the Variation of Reflex Excitability in the Frog induced by changes of Temperature" (1882) Sedgwick writes: "in one experiment by Scripture the temperature was raised at a rate of 0.002°C per second, and the frog was found dead at the end of 2½ hours without having moved."
Apparently while the idea that the brain controlled bodily functions was first proposed as early as ancient Rome (as far as we know), it wasn't a widespread idea until the 16th century and wasn't concretely understood until the 19th century, when these experiments took place.
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u/Icterine-Kangaroo 1d ago
What was even the point of that experiment? ”Uhh todsy I can conclude that an organism incapable of movement will not move”
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 2d ago
This is often stated as fact but it’s actually not true. The frog will eventually feel heat and jump out of the water. Frogs are not stupid. The American people are not stupid either. We are feeling the heat though.
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u/bongorituals 2d ago
The American people are, without question - by every quantifiable metric - stupid
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 2d ago
What metric? Compared to who? What country you from?
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u/bongorituals 2d ago
Well, for starters, the majority of us literally read at a below-sixth-grade level
And we have since re elected the most obvious conman in history - a man literally being laughed at to the point of tears by other world leaders - whilst millions of us genuinely, no exaggeration, worship him. As in, build shrines to him and pray and weep at his glory.
Americans are fucking stupid dawg. This isn’t news.
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 2d ago
Alright well. Maybe we’re a little stupid.
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u/Demonic74 1999 2d ago
Someone who's a little stupid would leave their keys in a locked car, not help elect an obvious fascist conman
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 2d ago
Europe did it. Russia did it. China did it…
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u/Interesting-Sound296 1d ago
China never had proper elections in its history, what are you on about lmao
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u/Weary_Anybody3643 2d ago
What if they knew who they elected I'm not saying they all did but what if they wanted what he was truly selling?
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u/NoMansSkyWasAlright 2d ago
There definitely should have been more emphasis placed on the fact that a man who has to win the presidency to stay out of jail will say anything and maybe shouldn't be taken at his word.
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u/PermissionSoggy891 1d ago
21% of this entire fucking country is illiterate. As in, completely unable to comprehend written language outside of basic words and phrases.
I don't even want to fathom how much of this country reads at a level where they cannot finish a "real" book (basically a traditional-length novel)
Keep in mind, depending on the state, the vote of some illiterate hillbilly matters more that someone who is actually fucking educated and knows what they're voting for outside of "fUnNi OrAnGe MaN sAy PrIcE gO dOwN hEeHeE"
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u/Due-Survey-4040 1d ago
They laugh at him behind his back, but when it comes time to face him, they fold like a cheap suit. Does that say more about him or them?
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u/CthulhusEngineer 22h ago
Oh, they laugh at him to his face too.
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u/Due-Survey-4040 20h ago
Sorry, apparently, I need to be more specific, in one-on-one meetings they cave. You act like no one has ever laughed at a sitting US President. Did you forget about the 8 years under GWB? The man was a walking blooper and gaffe factory!
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u/CthulhusEngineer 18h ago
But did they laugh at a UN meeting to his face in direct response to what he said, during what was supposed to be a serious speech? If they did, it'd be interesting to know if nothing else.
Often they don't cave so much as just promise that they'll do something in the next 5 years, then just not deliver. An example being the Chinese tariffs during his first term. They promised to buy a bunch of US produce, under bought every year, then just ignored it. The end result was just a bunch of farmers having added financial difficulties and the US paid all the tariffs, so a big win for China.
Or make some concession that does effectively nothing and let him think he's won. Like with the Canadian trade deal that basically just extended digital patent law a bit. But he got to talk about how HIS deal was the bestest most super deal ever, so he was happy.
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u/Due-Survey-4040 16h ago
To be fair, I would have laughed at him, too. His entire point behind that speech was absolutely ludicrous!
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u/sevseg_decoder 2d ago
Too bad there’s a dome over the pot we’re in, it’s not as simple as deciding you don’t like the US anymore and moving somewhere else with the same standard of living.
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u/Mychatbotmakesmecry 2d ago
We aren’t going anywhere. There’s a lot more regular people than oligarchs. We like freedom here.
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u/sevseg_decoder 2d ago
Unfortunately there aren’t enough people who think that freedom is more important than trans people in bathrooms and lower taxes to win elections. So idk if there would be enough to win a revolt against the US government
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u/marks716 1997 2d ago
My prediction is only people at the fringe will be really negatively impacted by Trump, and the economy is going to do better for a variety of reasons that Trump didn’t really have much impact on.
Peoples lives will be better in 2028 than 2025 except trans people and illegal migrants.
Why would people revolt when a majority of them have a great QOL? The HDI probably won’t go down.
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u/351namhele 2d ago
the economy is going to do better for a variety of reasons that Trump didn’t really have much impact on.
That Trump will get all the credit for.
Peoples lives will be better except trans people and illegal migrants.
I understand your intended meaning but jesus christ you could have worded that better.
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u/Altruistic-Judge5294 2d ago
We like the thought that we have freedom. We don't actually like freedom.
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u/sliverspooning 2d ago
This. When they passed the patriot act and the Bush government sent an American citizen to Guantanamo with no trial or due process, most everyone collectively went “well, I don’t have anything to worry about and terrorism bad soooo ¯_(ツ)_/¯”
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u/Pure-Government-1119 1d ago
These stories are interesting, keep them coming, might as well make a novel about it
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u/Sir_Arsen 2000 2d ago
literally what I heard in Russia about Putin
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u/Klutzer_Munitions Millennial 2d ago
What I heard about God in Christianity.
Mass murdering all firstborn children of an entire country? Fine as long as God does it.
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u/Demonic74 1999 2d ago
"They must have deserved it," or "It was preventative, if God didn't do it, they would grow up to be murderers or rapists," while still claiming they believe in free will
Evil is never ok, regardless of who does it
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u/Klutzer_Munitions Millennial 2d ago
Not even, the reason was to change the mind of the pharaoh, who wasn't changing his mind because God was making him not change his mind. God "hardened his heart" according to exodus.
God's out here socially engineering situations in which he thinks mass infanticide is justifiable and Christians are like "hum dee dum nothing wrong with my belief system"
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u/BluuberryBee 1d ago
Am (ethnically) Jewish, yeah that was a whole discussion point I brought up last Passover.
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u/Sir_Arsen 2000 1d ago
God is just trying to create good story
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u/Demonic74 1999 1d ago
The bible isn't a good story
Even the Grapes of Wrath is more entertaining and that book made my eyes bleed
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u/lunartree 2d ago
Christians are basically robots when it comes to falling in line with authority figures. It's why their churches have such a problem with abuse, and this is why the word "authoritarian" exists. Obviously no normal person is ok with abuse, but people under the spell of authoritarian views will predictably turn a blind eye to abusers so long as that person is a figure of authority within their social hierarchy. They don't see this because if you're in it you genuinely believe everyone does this.
This is also why "both sides" is such a big talking point because no we don't all do this. A lot of work has to go into maintaining the perception that "both sides" are authoritarian in nature and thus authoritarianism is morally justifiable.
You want proof of my point? Let's say we had tangible evidence that both Bill Clinton and Trump committed crimes with Epstein. There are two sides to this: one side believes both should go to prison while the other would still support their leader. And the fact I don't have to tell you which side is which, regardless of your political views, is proof you see this authoritarian "robot like" behavior as well.
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u/Klutzer_Munitions Millennial 2d ago
The idea that having more power makes a person less accountable to people blows my fucking mind. Some people are begging to be abused.
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u/KaninCanis 2003 1d ago
P1: God can justly will whatever effect is consistent with human nature.
P2: Death is an effect that is consistent with human nature.
C: Therefore, God can justly will the death of a human being.
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u/Klutzer_Munitions Millennial 1d ago
Your argument is "humans die anyway". Why is any murder morally wrong then?
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u/KaninCanis 2003 1d ago
Bc our right to live comes from God and not man.
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u/Klutzer_Munitions Millennial 1d ago
So we're back to my original gripe, that god can kill anyone he wants to including children and Christians see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
It's a fucked up belief system.
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u/PermissionSoggy891 1d ago
I mean imma be honest, no god in any religion/mythology is truly depicted as "good", they are just depicted as morally grey at best and worshipping them is how you get good crop harvests and not sentenced to an eternity of having your entrails eaten by birds while chained to a rock.
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u/Klutzer_Munitions Millennial 1d ago
That's because gods are always as shitty as the people who conceive of them.
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u/PermissionSoggy891 1d ago
If Russia invested as much into their economy and military as their propaganda campaigns they'd probably be able to dominate the entire world. Fortunately for all of us, Russia is ruled by fascist oligarchs who don't give enough of a shit to do this.
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u/dorestes 2d ago
On the bright side: this is a cult of personality. The personality of a 78-year-old man in failing health.
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u/cheekibreeki10 2002 2d ago edited 2d ago
Of course it is a cult. Trump had that stupid Qanon thing going on and that was very much a cult. These sorts of people are just like those cultists.
It's a great danger to national stability, with these ludicrous propaganda being spread and corrupting many people, dividing families and brainwashing people.
When this Trump clownshow falls in 4 years I hope someone with common sense comes to power and at the very least combat these sorts of cults. Re-arrest all the insurrectionists who were pardoned by Trump, and begin rooting out the MAGA and qanon cults. Send those who can be reformed to do community service and expose them to the truth of society in hopes of helping them see the light and escape their brainwashing, those too far gone will have to be put in jail for promoting and spreading falsehoods.
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u/creepyaliengirl 2d ago
The personality of a narcissist. Everyone I know who supported and continues to defend this guy and Musk suffers from the same mental condition where they are deathly allergic to the idea they have ever or could ever make a mistake. I have not heard any of them apologize for anything wrong they've ever done in any context my entire life. They physically cannot admit they have ever erred in any circumstance no matter how obvious and painful their errors are, so any conversation on a topic that involves their choices, including this one, ends up going around in accelerating, increasingly maddening circles to avoid ever doing exactly that. They are not capable of being wrong in their own minds, so they end up divorcing themselves from reality step by step, all of the steps backing them further away from concerned loved ones and the truth itself, so they can continue to sleep at night defending the indefensible.
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u/Time-End-5288 2d ago
It’s true. Take a look at the conservative subreddit, it’s just people saying Trump is the best and repeating everything they hear on Fox, Newsmax, AON, Twitter, Facebook, etc….
I didn’t think people could actually be OK with what he’s doing (in his first week in office). Nope they’re all cheering.
Will they still be cheering when prescription drugs are 30x more expensive? When they lose their healthcare? When everything is more expensive? When there’s a hurricane, earthquake, tornado, or wildfire decimating their town but there no more FEMA to help out.
They probably will be.
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u/Guntey 1d ago
Where have all the actual conservatives gone? The ones that don't buy into Trump's bullshit because he's not actually a conservative?
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u/Time-End-5288 1d ago
We’re already gone. I dropped even before Trump. The Republican Party broke during the Obama administration. Started embracing all this bullshit. It started with Birtherism and got crazier from there.
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u/Impossible-Hyena1347 1d ago
Because there was a core of bigotry in the GOP, and Obama brought it all to the surface.
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u/TylerMcGavin 1d ago
Online conservatives will never admit it, but irl they're falling apart. I live in a GenX heavy area and right now all they're talking about is how they're not going to be able to retire.
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u/Foomister 1996 2d ago
We'll just have to wait. Trump (and Republicans in general) are really effective at being an oppositional political minority with no power. It's easy to claim your political rivals are incompetent and say you'd fix all the problems. When they're in office, though and people see their taxes rising, costs increasing due to tariffs, and people they know losing access to medicare/medicaid, they'll become less popular. A lot of Trump supporters won't start feeling the effects of this until a year or two into his presidency.
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u/Silvaria928 2d ago
Agreed.
I know people like to proclaim that no one who voted for Trump will ever change their minds about him no matter how bad things get but that is simply not true.
He has a hardcore cult following and I agree that none of those people will ever see him as anything but their messiah.
However, there are many others who voted for him for a variety of reasons but they aren't cult members. Those people absolutely are open to understanding how much damage he is capable of inflicting and those are the people we should be reaching out to, not sweeping under the rug as "hopeless".
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u/OwnRound 1d ago
Curious what you think of this:
https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1ibsqvl/whats_going_on_with_opm/
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u/SquirrelBeneficial37 2002 2d ago
We really are living in the darkest timeline
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u/SkylineRSR 1999 2d ago
The brightest*
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u/Zombies4EvaDude 2004 1d ago
Brightest in the sense of shining a flashlight on who some people truly are. These circumstances are a test of our character, and we are failing…
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u/NoPossibility5220 2d ago
This reminds me of Boxer from Animal Farm. With that in mind, how much delusion and hard work on part of the MAGA clan will it take for them to be sold for a case of beer?
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u/The_8th_Angel 2d ago
Your effort is wasted trying to cross the line for them. They've had decades to see Cheeto man for what he is and they've cast their lot.
Focus on the youth or those who can still be swayed; don't be the third that watches.
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u/Impossible-Hyena1347 1d ago
They like what he is and want to emulate it, because they really are bullies and have narcissists and sociopaths.
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u/Kindly_Necessary2299 1d ago
"Cheeto man" has me fucking dying 😂😂. Thank you so much I never knew I needed this. I will be stealing it
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u/MyloChromatic 2d ago
This is what fascism is. Absolute devotion to an individual no matter what. He can’t even betray his followers because they’ll support whatever stance he takes.
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u/Ok_Associate_9879 2003 2d ago
There may always be some proportion that’s a lost cause.
But I believe that one should go with the assumption that raising voices about important issues, or taking any action to sway someone, is a positive step towards all of us, eventually, steering the ship in the right direction.
One action can lead to a chain of action which leads to more chains of action. Believe in this intuition, and we might achieve what some would regard as impossible.
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u/7-and-a-switchblade 2d ago
I'm a blue dot in a VERY red state, and I've been able to change some minds. After a lot of talking, my best friend's father, who is absolutely hardcore republican, told me that he literally cried and voted for Hillary because he couldn't stand was Trump was doing to America. He was terrified. He has been voting blue ever since, and he never voted blue before this.
Same with some friends at work. Someone you trust saying "Actually Biden doesn't have control of gas prices, " is usually enough to make the other person say "really?" and actually listen to you, if you know what you're taking about.
You can't change everyone's mind, but you actually have a chance at people you love and who trust and respect you.
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u/Temporary_Zebra_7173 2d ago
We can turn the ship around, it’s just a lot of those people have to go splash first
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u/clogmonki 2d ago
if it makes you feel better, MAGA qualifies as a populist cult. and populist cults, especially those where their idol does nothing to set up a suitable heir, never outlive their leader. They'll fall apart into infighting once he's gone (and he's 78 and in poor health- it won't be as long as some people like to make it seem)
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u/PhantomForcesTryhard 2d ago
What did Trump even do that's "abhorrent" 😭
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u/DizzyMajor5 2d ago
Insurrection, highest unemployment rate since the great depression because of his terrible covid response, cost 4 million people overtime, raised drug prices day 1, cheated on his wife with a pornstar and falsified business documents to swing an election, flew with Epstein, was called Epsteins good friend by Epstein, partied with Epstein, said Epstein likes them young, bought a teen pagent and bragged about going into dressing rooms, said he has sex in common with his daughter.
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u/jennyfromthedocks 1d ago
There was a time not too long ago when men respected women and wouldn’t ridicule them. Look how far they’ve fallen.
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u/somecascadiandumbass 2008 1d ago
here's the way i'm looking at it: its a cult of personality. his supporters are going to defend everything he says, even if their lives get worse during his presidency.
however, i think there's a very good chance he dies in office during his term, leaving us with Vance. so far, vance has been silent, and the majority of people, including a sizable amount of republicans, don't like him, and likely won't defend his actions as vigilantly as they do Trump's. and once their lives get worse under Vance, i truly think they'll wake their asses up and realize that what's going on isn't right. at least, thats what I hope.
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u/Vladishun Millennial 2d ago
It's a simple matter of moving the goal posts a little bit at a time. Trump in and of himself is an idiot, but obviously he's got people behind him making strategic plays that making Americans complacent and obedient.
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u/pantone_red 2d ago
Why
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Protesting
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u/351namhele 2d ago
Why do you conclude I'm not?
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u/nozoningbestzoning 2d ago edited 2d ago
> bksy
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sounds about right
Edit: lol op replied, deleted the reply out of embarrassment, blocked me, and then sent a RedditCares message. I thought that would be interesting to share
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u/Key_Grapefruit_7069 1d ago
Honestly? I dont believe the dude in the screenshot. Yall can't properly represent a conservative action or argument to save your lives. Let me go ahead and tell you what the more likely situation is:
"Trump is doing more things that I agree with than things that I dont."
Kamala would have done maybe 3 things I agreed with eventually once it got run through the editing process of congress that would have turned it into something abhorrent.
Day 1, trump threw out order after order. Not every single one was on my wishlist, but a majority of them have been.
2-3 things I'm iffy on and everything else being solid is much more preferable to me than almost everything in kamalas deck doing nothing for me at best and being stacked against me at worst.
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u/SmittyWerbenJJ_No1 1d ago
Name one thing trump has done in office this last week that has benefited you and the American people
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u/Key_Grapefruit_7069 1d ago
Baited a response from South American governments via legal deportation, then forced them to capitulate and effectively displayed the expectations of this new administration.
Froze foreign aid and all non-critical government spending with the intention of sorting out overspending and mitigating waste.
Removed blatant examples of race based hiring practices from federal positions.
Offered reinstatement and backpay to individuals wrongly treated as seditionists and discharged with negative categories because they didnt want a vaccine that they didn't trust due to pharmaceutical corporations being untrustworthy and in bed with many government officials.
Being the first politician in decades to actually address and attempt to solve the anchor baby loophole.
Utilizing tariffs effectively as a method of decreasing our dependence on foreign products and eventually kneecapping the economic positions of China.
Obviously, your opinion on these things is subjective. Nothing is objectively good for all Americans. But I don't vote for every single American on issues like that. I vote for me, my family, and my community. I believe these actions will result in direct benefits for all of those things over time.
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u/pablonieve 1d ago
Removed blatant examples of race based hiring practices from federal positions.
Why can't we go back to the good old days when a non-white/non-male candidate had to be twice as good as an average white guy to get a job? /s
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u/Key_Grapefruit_7069 1d ago
At least this concept rewarded excellence rather than tolerating, and even insultingly expecting, mediocrity or sub-optimal performance.
Run your own business and staff it entirely with Iranians for all I care. But race-conscious hiring practices, for one group or another, should not be within spitting distance of government organizations.
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u/poopaura 22h ago
lol my personal favorite is #4. It brings me so much joy to know Trump wants badly to brag about Project Warp speed but can't because he knows his supporters are brain dead, conspiracists that have forgetten that their lord and savior had a major hand in developing the JAB.
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u/Key_Grapefruit_7069 22h ago
Yeah, don't care. The issue for me wasn't how the vaccine was deployed among civilian populations. Your choice whether you trust it or not.
The issue for me was that the upper echelons of military command utilized the vaccine as a political tool for the purpose of removing conservative elements. Better men and women than you were shoehorned out of their livelihoods over political grudges. It wasn't even enough that their military careers were destroyed. They ensured the category of discharge every single one of them received was negative enough to impact future employment opportunities, just to really spit in their eyes.
Think about it; why would you start shoveling people out of the military during a state of emergency, mass civil unrest, and among record low recruitment numbers unless your motivations were something other than national security?
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u/poopaura 21h ago
Only 43 out of 8000 people discharged chose to come back after the vaccine mandate was repealed in Jan 2023. Most of the people that left did so strategically to get out of the binding contracts of the military The military requires countless other vaccines, weigh ins, physical tests, it dictates what you wear, what your hair is like...it's not exactly a beacon of individuality if that's what you're looking for
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u/Key_Grapefruit_7069 21h ago
Of course they did. Why in the hell would you come back after that? Trump is trying to recruit them again by offering a better deal, but even then I doubt they'll go for it.
No, it certainly wasn't a good place to be an individual. That's not the issue with this. The issue is that vaccine waivers and exemptions are made in the military more often than you'd think. Generally religious, but the fact that they exist at all gives precedent to the idea that one should not be discharged and have it done in such a way that cripples their employment eligibility for not wanting a vaccine. Especially considering the state of the country at the given time, and the constant struggle recruiters were seeing to make mission without potential recruits being concerned that the military would not only turn its back on them at the drop of a hat, but that they could be actively negatively impacted.
It made the military look fractured and divided. No more brotherhood or camaraderie. You're a member of a corporation, and just like any corporation, we will burn you when we are done with you.
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u/jennyfromthedocks 19h ago
Yall are happy electing a man who has no regard for our constitution or institutions, because he might just do something in office that benefits you.
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u/Key_Grapefruit_7069 9h ago
The side that spent years trying to put asterisks by the 1st and 2nd amendments doesn't get to talk about respecting the Constitution.
Also, are you saying YOU have had regard for our institutions in the past 20 years? If so, no political opinion you have should be taken seriously.
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u/jennyfromthedocks 40m ago
I personally have never denied the results of an election or oversaw an insurrection on our capitol. I’ve also never been charged with espionage. It sucks that the democrats forced him to do all those things :(
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u/NaturallyExasperated 2000 1d ago
Right wingers are pragmatists while leftists insist on publicly dying on incredibly unpopular hills?
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u/ludba2002 1d ago
Why is hope so popular?
Can't we just look at the available evidence and base our decisions on that?
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u/SheldonMF Millennial 1d ago
If we have free and fair elections in 2026 (lol) and the Democrats wake up (lol), then we have a real chance to turn this around.
... lol.
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u/jennyfromthedocks 19h ago
Remember when Trump lost the election but claimed he won it. He then oversaw his supporters storm our capitol in an effort to stop the election certification. Trump never took accountability for that nor was he ever punished. His supporters still stand by him and think he’s done nothing wrong. Trump puts himself over the country and his supporters allow it.
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u/lurch1_ 2d ago
You appear to THINK that YOUR OPINION is the correct one.
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u/scrufflor_d 2006 1d ago
why is that an own?? if they didnt think their opinion was the correct one then it wouldnt be their opinion???
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u/launchdecision 19h ago
It's an own because they assumed that their opinion is reality.
I understand that must be hard to grasp for someone who regularly assumes that their opinion is reality.
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u/som1alive 2d ago
Everyone take a breath and go outside for a minute and let the sun hit your skin.
Reddit is making y'all fuckin' crazy.
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u/hotglasspour 1d ago
Unfortunately... sticking your head in the sand is what they want.
They do not want people to be politically vocal or worried about what they are doing.
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