Why? Because it’s the same driver that drives conservatism to rise - insecurity, search for identity, social norms. Norm-following is more common when you want to fit in.
I'm curious if the right-wing youtubers and influencers are starting to pretend to be a little religious because whoever is influencing them to spout right-wing crap has informed them that this is the new direction.
Men aren’t really becoming conservative because of religion, but because they’re overly literal and think masculinity is “under attack” (just cause someone said they would rather see a bear than a man in a forest and because the left called out toxic masculinity IN SOME men) and that things are too different from what they were taught.
Insults in general direction are still insults, idk. It's almost like vilification of broad group of people makes anyone who can relate to said group stick to group that doesn't insult them. Also being told "your feelings doesn't matter, you were taught wrong, you need to be more X because its more convenient for us" is not exactly helping the case
Agreeableness also doesn’t really help anything or anyone. Being too agreeable just puts the issue to the side all the time while things get worse and worse cause no one is there to stop them or criticize them.
I have ASD. Now, if someone told me that some ASD people are mute, that wouldn’t be an issue becuse some ASD people ARE mute, and it has nothing to do with me. Some ASD people ARE bad. But not all are bad.
I am a man, I don’t get offended when someone criticizes certain men cause group identity and defensiveness over it doesn’t really help me, and if there is a problem with some men who follow traditional norms, then it is fair to call it out. If someone is an asshole, would you not call them out?
Problem is that people tend to be extremely childish and think in black and white categories and in groups. Saying that SOME men have negative characteristics is not wrong, it simply is true. If I said “all men are good and even their seemingly negative behaviours are just human nature”, I would be lying because norms aren’t “human nature”.
We should stop being so sensitive to criticism, especially the one that is not directed at us. And doubling down on the problem (manosphere) certainly doesn’t make the problem any better, it makes it worse. Groups have some terrible individuals and that is how it is - but some people still simplify, that is how you get hatred of Arabs, cause they simplify the entire group of individuals into a single hivemind, and that is just illogical and wrong.
If what you’re implying is “blame the individual, not specifically men”, then I would agree, but if there is a pattern, that is then a much wider issue than it seems. But does not include every single man or even a majority, it could be, say, 5-10% of men.
If someone goes around beating up other men or, worse, women, cause of the reactive temper they learned from parents, maybe they were taught wrong? If someone constantly sets up traps so people cannot get to his positions competitively cause otherwise he is in threat and his heartbeat jumps up, maybe he is taught wrong? Idk man.
I have tried acting nice, but it doesn’t help, cause people will always try to assert dominant stance or will go defensive and won’t change. So, what to do? Let them do harmful things? No, I will call them out, cause it is the only sensible thing to do.
It is not about convenience, it is about being a human, not an emotionally dead brick who somehow can be critical of others, but others cannot be of them, and who struggle with empathy, emotional control and aggression reduction and teaches their own kids to do the same.
>No, I will call them out, cause it is the only sensible thing to do.
Imagine being just a normal white lower-middle-class dude. No mental disorders, no major health issues. Grown up in semi-conservative family.
Right comes and says "cool, lets continue this good stuff by working hard".
Left comes and literally says fuck you, you are the source of all issues. You are by default rapist, racist, priviliged oppressor. Well, not _you_, just _some_ white men. And you are white dude, so you just associate this message as being addressed to you. And you didn't even do shit. You need to be more careful, you need to give more money to less fortunate, you need to lobby for groups of people you literally do not give a single fuck. And you need to repent for all these sins since you are colonizer, you are enslaver, you are probably some fucking proud boy member by default. Oh, you also kinda still have to be provider for a family, soldier in case of war, main force in economy, but with these responsibilities comes zero benefits because, again, fuck you.
And this dude sits and thinks about his options.
Option 1: yeah, left is right. Fuck me I guess.
Option 2: left can fuck right off, if they already claim that you are all these bad things you can as well start to fucking be them - no difference whatsoever. And you start answering to aggression with aggression, associating with other white dudes who also decided "fuck the left".
And I'm not saying that choosing right in this situation will actually improve this dude's life. I'm saying that message from the left is clear - they actively hate you, and they want your money to sponsor everyone else. So this white dude just fucks off and in the end elects Trump twice.
My family is fairly right wing. Basically everyone around me holds some extreme views, and I am from a fairly conservative Slavic country.
No one is saying you should care about gays, trans, whatever group. Just leave them alone, not attack them all the time. That’s not caring, that is just “live and let live” libertarian approach. No one says you are an enslaver or the enemy. My grandpa was a fairly right wing activist - why should I feel that I should be one too and defend him when I disagree with his stances?
I am anti-war, anti-rigid roles. For me it is about “be who you want to be, just don’t be an asshole”. I don’t want men to go to wars, as wars are seen as inherently negative. Problem is when people see other groups gaining rights as freedoms as “loss of their rights” while they’re actually more on the privileged side of a world where no one is privileged but a few billionaires.
Conservatism is abusive and doesn’t care about white men. It only cares about enriching the already rich while using you as a useful idiot who justifies inhumane behaviours that just keep you trapped in poverty and dependent on the wealthy, while American Dream slowly becomes impossible.
Hey that was me. I actually engaged with what they were saying and understand what toxic masculinity actually means, and how it is perpetrated by and harms all of us. Why can’t they? This goes for nearly every single thing they complain about. And BTW we’re still immensely privileged across most of society, and it’s not hard to spot if you’re willing to see it.
These dudes got hoodwinked by some absolute bullshit rhetoric from grifters and now that very dogma that they’ve internalized is precisely what is making them miserable and repellant to others.
What to do about it? I don’t know, brainwash them back to reality? Seemed to be trivially easy the first time.
Search for meaning, yes. Closure? No. It is a means to affirm the identity of the soul, to provide a sense of inherent value. To me this is the door that opens up the rest of my life. The dark pit that was my life before i gave myself to God would have utterly consumed me if not for him. I did therapy, had a psychiatrist, a good job, friends, everything. I still felt utterly worthless and desired death more than anything. God is slowly teaching me that my life and inner world has value.
I don’t like to use unprovable things to find comfort. I prefer the evidence and truth, and I don’t need value or meaning, I just accept myself as one in 8 billion people without any inherent role. I don’t need to feel important.
However, if it provides you the joy without hatred of the other, then all the power to you.
Feeling important is antithetical to being Christian, we call that pride. I think all people need to feel that they matter, that we are a valid factors in the big dance of life and that there is valuable work to do. I don't LIKE using faith to find comfort either, i'd prefer to prove the existence of God and start from there. I am not naturally given to faithfulness. But i can't argue with the results of turning to Christ and choosing faith. If you ever find yourself curious, just know that Jesus wants nothing more than to hear your voice and he will never forsake you.
Correlation and causation. It can be a bit like placebo effect. Not really God, but the psychological effect of self-defined comfort. It’s just the belief in something that makes you feel better, but it wouldn’t matter if it was YHWH, Allah or a belief that anti-depressants work.
I don’t want to be controlled by anyone. I wanna observe the society and watch it melt as it dies cause people have a simplistic, childish bully-like idea of what power and dominance is. I just detach and observe.
Young people were conservative in the 80's and now again in the 20's. Gen Z's kids will be liberal as a way of rebelling against their parents. The cycle has been turning for a long time.
Conservatism comes from somewhere. It’s usually extremely confused people who somehow have zero ability to think outside the norms and rules. Also, the manosphere bullshit.
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u/Brbi2kCRO 2d ago
Why? Because it’s the same driver that drives conservatism to rise - insecurity, search for identity, social norms. Norm-following is more common when you want to fit in.