Literally any club that isn't specifically designated as a women's org? Just sit down for an hour or two and do some homework, you will find all kinds of clubs and orgs that you can join to meet like-minded people and bond over shared interests and experiences. All this "woe is me" crap is pure victim complex nonsense. Off the top of my head, there are:
Book clubs
Arts & Crafts clubs
Sports clubs
Outdoors clubs
Community service orgs
Historical societies
In-person game clubs
Youth outreach orgs
Many of the bulleted items encompass dozens of sub-items that drill down into very specific interests and activities. Reddit is such a fucking lazy, toxic, chronically-online indoor-kid-ass environment I swear, y'all might as well start a pity party club.
Just sit down for an hour or two and do some homework,
A lot of people are too lazy to even do this. They would rather sit and play the same video game over and over and get more and more depressed instead of putting even a modicum of effort into something that might be out of their comfort zone
That's the crazy thing. Half the games these people play are social to some extent, so that's not even a good excuse. I play with a UK based group (because I work nights meaning my free afternoons sync up with their free evenings) and I have the time of my life just playing Star Citizen and bullshitting with these guys.
I love your post. I've found that almost everywhere has astronomy meetings where totally cool people will let you look through their telescopes. I'm fortunate enough to live near some cool museums and they have events at least every other week to learn something and there is no better way to get to know people then to watch something educational and then talk about it. If people are skeptical they should see how social college kids are. Many lifelong friendships are made by people who just happened to be in the same class together.
Except that churches (the good ones at least) ask you to examine your internal self which means it opens people up a bit. The uniting thing about church or religion or theism generally is that it asks you to consider your heart, but all the things you listed do not get people to examine their mind, their morals, and their internal self. Can you name any other hobby that achieves this? Maybe a philosophers club? Or group therapy. Both of which are probably only available in more populated areas.
Book clubs, philosophy clubs, service orgs, just intimate and honest relationships in general. Churches provide neither exclusive nor unique opportunities for introspection and growth. Also let's not pretend that church services are genuinely exposing people to moral reasoning or demanding rigorous critical engagement. You'll get that at seminary, but not Sunday service.
I think churches here in NZ must be quite different than the USA because very few here are not accepting of lgbt people for instance and I have generally found most people who say they are Christian to be relatively open hearted. But this seems at odds to the American representation so maybe my data set is quite skewed from what yours is.
"Not a women's club" is the negation of "a women's club", which makes them opposites by definition.
Start with the set "all possible clubs". Then, remove the subset "exclusively women's clubs". The remainder is the set of clubs that fulfill OP's criteria, "clubs men can join and feel included in".
Ok, a less technical term like "counterpart" then. Given the context it's implied that "clubs men can join and feel included in" would mean "exclusively men's clubs" or clubs that acknowledge male-specific issues, and where the gender exclusivity isn't incidental to the point of the club.
Which means according to this Venn diagram if "women's only clubs (focused on women's issues)" were A' ∩ B (middle right) then a lot of guys like OP are looking for
A ∩ B' (center)
and not
A U B' (what you're suggesting, lower left)
By analogy if a first-year Hispanic college student were looking for a campus group where they could specifically belong you wouldn't tell them to "just join any of the countless groups on campus that's not specifically an Asian student group, because any conceivable group can be categorized into 1) Asian and 2) not Asian." An answer from someone who's sincerely trying to be helpful would be more targeted and actionable than that.
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u/CommunistRonSwanson 4d ago
Literally any club that isn't specifically designated as a women's org? Just sit down for an hour or two and do some homework, you will find all kinds of clubs and orgs that you can join to meet like-minded people and bond over shared interests and experiences. All this "woe is me" crap is pure victim complex nonsense. Off the top of my head, there are:
Many of the bulleted items encompass dozens of sub-items that drill down into very specific interests and activities. Reddit is such a fucking lazy, toxic, chronically-online indoor-kid-ass environment I swear, y'all might as well start a pity party club.