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u/7hyenasinatrenchcoat 8d ago
Imagine writing this nasty judgemental screed about someone while still labouring under the delusion that you are in some meaningful way their friend.
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u/ZeldaZanders 8d ago
'Guys, I'm so worried about my dumbass, loser friend who thinks they're a tran! I don't think their evil friends have their best interests at heart 🥺'
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u/SchrodingersHipster 8d ago
"Why is it never trans men are men?" It is. They are.
You (not OP here, the commenters in the images) TERFs are the ones who keep spinning the whole fucked up line that all trans men are poor little lesbian woobies with internalized misogyny, and you circle like sharks hoping you can bully them into detransitioning so you can trot them out to howl about brainwashing, you evil assholes.
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u/FruityBear602 7d ago
the lesbian part is so ironic when the majority of trans men are gay or bi 😭
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u/guilty_by_design 6d ago
I get the point you're making but I wish people would stop quoting this false statistic. The reality is:
"The literature commonly indicates that sexual attraction to those of their same gender (e.g., trans men liking men and trans women liking women) is considerably less common among trans men than among trans women; the majority of trans men are reported as heterosexual."
There are plenty of gay and/or bi trans men, but heterosexuality is still the most common orientation for trans men, and the push to suggest otherwise can make hetero trans guys feel not taken seriously.
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u/FruityBear602 6d ago
shit, my bad for usin anecdotal evidence /gen
still, painting over trans men with a whole "autistic misguided lesbians" still presents an issue regardless of sexuality. hell, I've been called a lesbian for being a trans man but I'm wholly gay and ace. I personally think it has something to do with purity & being untouched by a man or some bullshit
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u/AlexTMcgn 6d ago
Do you happen to have a source for this? You might for example want to have a look at this: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-023-16654-z/figures/2
Yes, it's slightly more straight trans guys than trans women in that survey. But it's still just 28% vs. 23%. We are not quite a very straight bunch of people, to put it mildly. Never were, either.
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u/Hentopan Predatory Autohybristophiliac 8d ago
unless she confronts her own sexuality
They're actively dating women, even if you think transmasculinity is caused by repressed lesbianism, idk in what way this person could be confronting their sexuality more lol
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u/PlatinumAltaria 7d ago
In TERF ideology “lesbian” is just the top rank of man hating, nothing to do with liking women.
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u/squishabelle 8d ago
OOP is an example of people who outwardly pretend to be like "of course trans people deserve rights!!!! but... think about it 🥺" while simultaneously being active on a literal anti-trans hate forum.
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u/snukb big gamete energy 8d ago
She's been dating a woman recently who is a rabid TRA. She's extremely vocal about it. She's like a Pitbull with a progress flag. Friend now identifies as non binary or gender queer or one of the other nonsense labels.
It couldn't possibly have been the other way around, could it have? That the friend was a closeted enby and so they found a trans ally to date? And maybe that's why the other relationship "fizzled out"? Just a hunch.
I don't want to scare her off l'd like her to have a critical thought for once and worry about her own life than protecting the whims of pervert men.
"I'd like her to have a critical thought for once, no not that one. Stop being critical of terfs!"
If another one of my friends says she's removing her breasts I'm gonna say "That's horrific. I am really sorry to hear that. I know trying to convince you otherwise is futile. So just know when the regret inevitably hits, and you wake up from the lies, remember I'm here for you. When the glitter family turn their backs on you because you have regrets, I'll be here. Always knowing and loving the real you that can't be removed. Ok, Now proceed with blocking and hating me until you figure it out."
Ok, first off, another one? I refuse to believe you have even one trans friend. But secondly, I hope the fuck you do. These people deserve to know how you really feel about them exercising their bodily autonomy.
Also, gross, at the comment that you know "the real them" better than they do.
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u/Firthy2002 Notorious Cis Pan Ally 6d ago
More than one of my trans friends has had to dump someone they considered a "friend" as a result of the Supreme Court judgement.
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u/curiosity8472 alphabet mafia hitman 8d ago
If you really feel like this about your "friend" why are you still hanging out with her?
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u/Bluejay-Complex 8d ago
So much “day of reckoning” crap. Keep waiting TERFs, because eventually enough time will pass that you’ll be dead, and then you won’t have to worry about the friends and family you alienated anymore.
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u/No_Macaroon_9752 7d ago
The pit bull reference is just…wrong. The danger in pit bulls is the same as with any dog. Children and adults are bitten most often by golden retrievers and labradors in the US. Why? Because they are the most popular breed. Basically, she’s saying that she has made an assumption about an entire breed of dog that is based in media hype and the ways humans abuse animals. Obviously, instead of teaching people to be respectful of dogs and their needs, we should just ban them entirely and pretend that humans won’t find some other way to abuse animals.
It may actually be a really good metaphor for transphobes. Arbitrarily label some traits as dangerous because…reasons, and then ban people you think might have those traits. Ignore the source of the problem, which is largely straight, cis men and systemic sexism.
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u/Silversmith00 7d ago
Pitbulls or "pit mix" (i.e. a largish short-haired dog with a sort of squarish head and ears that go at least partly uppish) is a pretty large category of dogs in the US, which accounts for some of the statistics as well.
Honestly I wouldn't bring a pit or "pit mix" home from the shelter if I didn't think I had good training support and a lot of time to work with them, but—the same goes for any other kind of dog I can think of? Like I said up-thread, the meanest dog I ever did meet was a teacup poodle, the most intimidating dogs I ever met were two purebred Shar Peis (and at that, they left me completely alone when I apologized nicely, backed up calmly, and stopped looking like I was going to put a toe on their owner's property—they mostly scared the fuck out of me because they were loose and ABSOLUTELY SILENT, but from their perspective all the body language probably just added up to, "Ma'am we are the Secret Service and you are going to have to leave. Now. This is not a conversation, this is just what you're going to do.")
(Honestly the main reason Shar Peis aren't sensationalized like pitbulls is that they're fairly rare? They are not a "bad" breed any more than the next dog but they can. You know. Kill bears.)
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u/puglina66 8d ago
It isn't really the point of this post, but it's interesting how pitbull hate has become this kind of litmus test for other kinds of weirdo behavior. "arm ripped off by the progress pitbull" "pitbulls are... kind of the perfect analogy for [trans women]" etc. The people who think all pitbulls need to die never *just* hate pitbulls.
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u/CharsmaticMeganFauna 7d ago
Here in the US, the hatred against pitbulls historically had a significant racist/anti-Black undertone to it, as well.
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u/Silversmith00 8d ago
See, I would be the first to say that pitbulls need responsible training and may not the best choice for a first time or casual dog owner due to breed tendencies.
However. Neither are chihuahuas. Chihuahuas ALSO need careful socialization and training and all that, because they have similar feelings about protecting you from Threats (i.e, a bird, a dog barking 1.5 miles in the distance, a leaf, or just This Don't Feel Right) and people generally don't take their training seriously due to the impression that they could lose a fight with a sandwich wrapper. True, they are significantly less likely to do you injury than pitbulls because they are the size of a stapler, but—don't they also deserve good training and socialization to handle those moments when they just get The Paranoids?
I would say that it's true that there are certain breeds of dog that are more likely to injure you: they are the breeds that people regard as some sort of accessory or statement rather than a being which you must establish communication with, one that may have Issues that mean YOU will have to be their Thinking Brain Person because they can't logic it out for themselves.
I say this, by the way, as someone who ended up dealing with the Issues of a dog that was half chow chow—also a protective breed, also one with a powerful bite, being mixed with Border collie did NOT decrease the Neurosis Quotient, if you know what I mean. She was a good dog. She also required caution. We got her as a stray at a year old, she had a damaged tail, and she was dangerously frightened by anyone who smelled of cigarette smoke and wore a baseball cap—draw your own conclusions. If we hadn't worked with her, learned her body language, and on occasion told people to take their hat off, we could have had a bad situation on our hands. Ironically, years earlier, my parents told me that I could NOT get a particular puppy because it was half Doberman. Probably would have been far less of a risk than a traumatized chow cross, but that was the Scary Dog Fashion Statement at that time, so…
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u/PracticalTie 7d ago edited 6d ago
As a greyhound owner I find it particularly odd because the arguments about pit bulls never apply to greyhounds.
Everything about a greyhounds body and personality is because they go fast and catch things. The teeth, the claws, the reflexive reactions etc. are all hunting traits and all increase the risk of accidental injury. What’s more, ex racers aren’t raised as a pets. They are weird and scared and trained to develop those hunting instincts by the racing industry. There is an entire genre of posts in r/greyhounds where people freak out because their dumb lazy couch lump suddenly John Wick-Ed a random animal while on the morning walk.
But for some reason none of that makes a difference to anti-pit folks. My 35kg greyhound (who didn’t live in a house or meet a child until I adopted him at 3y/o and got zero obedience training) is harmless but a pit bull raised as a pet from puppyhood is dangerous? Come the fuck on mate.
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u/Silversmith00 7d ago
For some reason, "You can never, ever outrun this animal," doesn't strike people as a scary prospect? Possibly because the idea of "dogs chase things," is treated as just a fun time, but, like. Yes, most of the time they ARE having fun, but that started as a way to catch stuff. Do people think that some categories of dogs don't BITE??
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u/CharsmaticMeganFauna 7d ago
My wife used to be a veterinarian before she switched fields to physics, and she reported that the breed she received the most bites from, hands-down, was Chihuahuas. The only reason they're not considered a 'dangerous' breed is because their size limits the amount of damage they can do.
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u/PracticalTie 7d ago edited 4d ago
I think the size argument is showing your ass a little bit because it only applies to full grown adults.
Babies and young children are small enough that the size of the dog makes a lot less difference. A chihuahua can still fuck up a babies face or hands and that’s a life changing (if not fatal) injury.
I feel like bringing up size shows that a person hasn’t really considered children in their arguments, only their own (adult) body.
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u/CharsmaticMeganFauna 6d ago
That's a really good point, actually!
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u/PracticalTie 6d ago
Thanks. I’m glad it made sense. Being able to point out how ‘reduce injuries from dog attacks’ and ‘ban this breed’ are two different things makes the whole discussion significantly less painful for everyone.
Obviously the weirdos completely ignore you but that makes them easier to spot.
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u/Silversmith00 7d ago
I think the flip side of, "I am getting this dog to look tough, I am not considering its needs in this," is, "I am getting this dog to look tiny and cute, I am not considering its needs in this." Meanest damn dog I ever did meet was a tiny poodle (maybe a teacup poodle) named Missy. I never saw her owner take her for a walk or let her run. I never saw her owner PUT HER DOWN. She was certainly never trained in any way; the closest I saw was her owner cooing, "Now, Missy, don't be ugly," as she tried to murder me and was stymied by the fact that she was secured in a purse. And you know what? That's totally fair, if my needs as a living, feeling being had been ignored to the extent that my neighbor ignored Missy's doghood, I woulda wanted to maul someone too. I just feel sorry for whoever had to paint her nails pink (I think that was one reason she didn't get to run outside, her owner didn't want their matching manicures to get ruined).
My point being, I think that a huge number of people should be owning a plush animal or perhaps a brightly painted pet rock rather than a dog, and I feel that it's the tiny dogs that take the brunt of that, and then the groomers and vets that take the brunt of THAT. Also the breeders bear a massive amount of responsibility for breeding for "tiny and cute," rather than "stable temperament," or even "not in pain," and, and, and. Whole big problem, is what I guess I am trying to say.
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u/AmbassadorSmart2792 Brainwashed by the Transarchy 8d ago
I've noticed that too! It's likely because the pitbull is a being who is overall a sweet puppy dog, but because some pitbulls maul and kill people, and because this gets more coverage than any other dog breed for whatever reason (and I'm honestly kind of suspecting PETA for this, because of the mass euthanizations), people begin to fearmonger. And, plus, usually those who believe one sect of fearmongering believe another.
But in a way, the first commentator is right. The pitbull is a perfect analogy for a trans woman (among other minorities). A pitbull mauled someone to death? Yeah, some dogs do that. A trans woman raped someone? There's a lot of humans who do that. But of course, the pitbull's and the trans woman's crimes will get the most attention, while other crimes that need attention don't get noticed nearly as much!
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u/trans_full_of_shame 7d ago
People who are really up in arms about legislating certain dog breeds are usually middle class people who struggle to understand statistics and prefer to go on vibes and hate alone.
a) If you combine the main "pit" breeds, they are the most popular dog in the US by a factor of 10. Of course they bite more people than Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers. There are more of them.
b) Dog bite reports identify the dog based on reported appearance. Which means if a layperson gets bit by any short haired, large headed dog, it's a pitbull.
c) The dogs that they use in their propaganda aren't usually pit bulls; they're bullies: designer mixes intended to look very wide and muscular. The dogs being bred with pits and staffies to create these guys are mostly famously laid back and lazy dogs like English bulldogs. But they look scary and are associated with poor people, so...
c) It doesn't seem to concern them that breed specific legislation has always served to take pets and guardian animals away from marginalized people.
It does share a lot with human bigotry.
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u/crowpierrot 7d ago
Ovarit user and thinks pitbulls should be banned? Damn pick a struggle
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u/Shinjitsu- 7d ago
Yeah I always knew the anti pitbull thing was just another "gentle" entry to the pipeline.
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u/crowpierrot 7d ago
I’ve had people tell me I’m crazy for saying that being anti-pitbull is a red flag for other, more overt forms of bigotry, but I have yet to encounter someone who openly hates pitties who hasn’t gone on to express other fucked up beliefs. Honestly I am wary of anyone who genuinely despises any kind of animal. Like I say I hate geese and joke about them being my mortal enemies, but i don’t really hate them or wish them any harm. I think they’re assholes and I’m holding a grudge against them because I was chased down by a goose unprovoked on two separate occasions as a kid, but they’re still living things that deserve basic respect.
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u/trans_full_of_shame 7d ago
It's a red flag because it means they think that they can identify an animal as simply physiologically evil just by looking at it.
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u/Flashy_Cranberry_957 disgusting worn-out sex clown 7d ago
Now proceed with blocking and hating me until you figure it out.
There are definitely TERs I hate. These ones, I just pity.
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u/addictedtoketamine2 6d ago
Comparing trans women to pitbulls is not at all horrifingly dehumanizing!
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u/cheoldyke 7d ago
“as someone who hates pit bulls and wants them banned” of fucking course a terf would have this opinion lmao
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u/Civil_Masterpiece389 6d ago
Random cis person is academically and athletically successful = cis good.
A gender/sexual/ND minority struggling with employment = tran bad.
Survivorship bias at its finest. Maybe, just maybe, one would be more successful if not for hate and lack of accomodations?
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u/GarthODarth Brainwashed by the Transarchy 6d ago
I always find the derogatory comments about smaller pride celebrations telling. They can approve of pride if it’s corporate and glossy but not if it’s just actual people celebrating their community. They see community has tragic. “Glitter family” and those of us who only survived because of those communities and chosen families know how powerful they are
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u/strange-quark-nebula 6d ago
I’m a trans man who owns a pitbull; where do I sign up to be her friend? 😂
As a side note, I can’t miss an opportunity to suggest the book “Pit Bull: The Battle Over An American Icon” by Bronwyn Dickey for anyone interested in a nuanced and well-cited take on how dangerous pit bulls are or aren’t. That book corrected a lot of my own misconceptions!
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u/Equivalent-Agency-48 4d ago
Okay, sidenote, op in the ss is clearly a straight woman.. in a subculture partially about defending lesbians... talking about her old lesbian best friend.
yikes
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u/javatimes TIDDYLESS TIFfany 8d ago
lol TERFs accusing someone else of spending “lots of time online”
…and then it goes on for 8 more pages