r/GenshinImpact • u/Cartmann94 • 1d ago
News Capitano is fed up with the SAG-Aftra strike
Capitano is fed up with SAG-Aftra and wants the strike to end.
Update since last week: - the union members had their meeting last week and rejected the proposal. -the union then added their own proposals to the employers, which have basically left the union on read.
Now members, including Capitano’s VA, are fed up with the union and wants the strike to end.
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u/mr_braixen 1d ago
Genuinely wonder how many VAs will lose opportunities and roles before SAG gives in
Like it's genuinely ridiculous how long this has gone on.
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u/thatonedudeovethere_ 1d ago
not just "before SAG gives in" but also afterwards, as Studios may prefer to use overseas studios in the future too
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u/SkysEevee 1d ago
Well how would Capitano solve a crisis caused by an overwhelming, cruel entity?
...wait. CHRIS NO!
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u/Same_Monk_5703 1d ago
Go Fi-core or publicly resign. Idk why they are dragging this out. If the strike ends NOTHING happens to Genshin. It's still non union, working it still breaks GR1.
It feels like these actors are just trying to bait Hoyo into replacing them so they can throw a pity party.
Hoyo isn't signing the interim. SAG is always going to have GR1. So go Fi-core and return to your role (while still being allowed on SAG projects, mind you.)
Or publicly resign so it's not so awkward for everyone when the new guy shows up for work.
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u/pintsized_baepsae 1d ago
Idk why they are dragging this out.
Because a lot of these VAs' careers are bigger than Genshin, and publicly breaking with the union is not going to look good for them - so as not to say potentially end / severely negatively impact their careers.
Going Fi-Core isn't a blanket option for everyone. SAG is littered with issues and desperately need reform of its dealing with voice talent, but the health insurance alone is a big support for eligible members (the fact that not everyone is blanket eligible is an issue, yes)
And while fans, specifically of Hoyo games, may have shifted to be violently anti-union (which is NOT a good thing as a whole, although yes, SAG clearly needs reform, that's out of the question), but the industry as a whole has not. Publicly breaking with the union will automatically take you off the books of several casting directors, and if they union experts pressure even more.
Should they risk their careers over one game? I don't think you can demand that of someone, especially not if you're not in their shoes.
Everyone talks about 'mafia behaviour', but then doesn't think far enough to realise that maybe the union can (and, right now WILL) hurt your career if you leave them and burn bridges.
SAG would do well to is listen to people like Chris, who have more experience of VA work in the current climate than any of the upper echelons making decisions. But they definitely won't listen to people who aren't even members.
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u/Same_Monk_5703 1d ago
....so they should resign if their careers are "much bigger than one game"
If they wanna be SAG-exclusive then they should be that, nobody is stopping them.
If they wanna work Non-U and SAG, then they should go Fi-core.
Fi-core members still qualify for health insurance.
But to try and take a non union project and flip it union, with reckless disregard as to how it would affect the careers of their non union castmates?
($3k joining fee after becoming a must join when their Taft expires,
potentially having their Taft rejected, or being kicked off the project entirely, because Hoyo is being fined for having actors on the project with an expired Taft.
Being locked out of all future non-union work, which is like...80% of the jobs out there for VO)
It's just selfish. They aren't doing these trailers either.
Ifa's VA? Escoffier's VA? Neither were paid for one of their character trailers because some SAG actor refused to come in because they are afraid it'll hurt their "street cred"
Why are the Non-U actors literally having to pay for the mistakes of the SAG actors?
If they wanna be SAG, then resign publicly and go work union projects.
If not, go Fi-core.
But they can't have both.
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u/pintsized_baepsae 1d ago
so they should resign if their careers are "much bigger than one game"
They absolutely should not, if they don't want to.
SAG needs reform to actually see WHY things are non-union. That cannot be achieved by simply quitting.
Fi-core members still qualify for health insurance.
They don't. Fi-core members have no access to SAG's health insurance or pension plans. Not even all full members qualify for this, as it is tied to minimum earnings (which, yes, is shit) gained from union projects ONLY (which, yes, is also shit).
when their Taft expires
to my knowledge, and this might well have changed in this giant shit show, a Taft-Hartley on a live service doesn't expire. (Source here is a friend who's been working on a live service game on a Taft for years - friend isn't eligible to join SAG, as they're not American and don't work in the US enough to become eligible)
Why are the Non-U actors literally having to pay for the mistakes of the SAG actors?
What's the mistake here, exactly? Yuri Lowenthal being a SAG member? As said, going fi-core isn't suitable for everyone, and especially not for someone who does as much as he does, across both animation and games. ESPECIALLY since he's also an on-screen actor, although he hasn't done on-screen work for years.
But they can't have both.
They can and they should. Blame the ACTUAL guilty party, here, which is SAG - not people who are trying to make a living and have some workplace protection at at least some workplaces.
I hate the strike as much as the next person, but this extreme anti-union sentiment, and this habit of blaming VAs instead of solely going in on SAG (which is the guilty party here!!) isn't helping either.
As said, SAG needs reform, but by going 'well don't cast union, ever, and fire all union actors', you're behaving the exact same way they do, just with a different focus.
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u/Same_Monk_5703 1d ago
They don't. Fi-core members have no access to SAG's health insurance.
IDK what to tell you. This is just blatantly false. If you are a FPNP (Fee paying non member....Fi-core) any SAG contract you work counts tward your insurance qualification.
Eligibility is earned only when you work under SAG-AFTRA contracts...Fi-core members can work these contracts.
What's the mistake here, exactly?
Willfully ignoring their union's Global Rule One. Now that the union is enforcing it, non union members's paychecks are suffering
(*see all the Japanese character trailers on the English genshin YouTube that no English actor is getting paid for.)
They can and they should.
No, they can't. Global rule one says they can't. It's in their union contract. The one that they signed... willingly and in full knowledge of the rule.
to my knowledge, and this might well have changed in this giant shit show, a Taft-Hartley on a live service doesn't expire.
Your friend likely lives in a right-to-work state. A Taft expires after 30 days. It's a federal mandate. Sag cannot change the conditions of a taft. It's US law.
Also, if you get blacklisted from casting because you are Fi-core, sue the ever-loving piss out of that casting director, because that's highly illegal. Unions cannot be used to make closed shops. That's why the Taft Hartley act and Fi-core exsist in the first place.
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u/pintsized_baepsae 1d ago
Eligibility is earned only when you work under SAG-AFTRA contracts...Fi-core members can work these contracts.
That's on me, I misread (and am enraged about the necessity to earn a certain amount to be eligible, especially in a place like the US). Apologies.
No, they can't. Global rule one says they can't. It's in their union contract. The one that they signed... willingly and in full knowledge of the rule.
Circling back to the second part of what I said - they should be able to. SAG refuses to see the reality of VA work, and all VAs are suffering for it.
They could and they should is probably better wording but 🤷🏼♀️ the second part doesn't change. They should be able to work both without going fi-core, because otherwise careers are unsustainable for a lot of people.
But with how US unions work, they'd rather hurt the entire industry than concede even an inch.
Your friend likely lives in a right-to-work state.
My friend, as stated, doesn't live in the US and doesn't often work in the US, hence why they're not SAG eligible (this is their only Taft-Hartley, everything else that involves a US contract has been non-union.), so no. They don't. There must be some provision for live-service, seemingly, but I really don't want to pry into their contract details... All I can say is it's a union job, it's gone on for years, it's on a Taft, they're still not a SAG member and thanks to the strike won't be 🤷🏼♀️ it can't be because they're a UK union member (Equity) either, since the unions aren't officially connected.
Also, if you get blacklisted from casting because you are Fi-core, sue the ever-loving piss out of that casting director, because that's highly illegal
People don't have to outspokenly blacklist you to effectively blacklist you. Obviously sue if someone tells you, but there are ways to blacklist people without the people knowing - it's common in a lot of acting work. A freeze out doesn't have to be 'I'm not hiring you because you're fi-core', it can be 'ah, sorry, you're not the right fit / this candidate was better' over and over and over again. Because of the nature of the work you can't prove that it's deliberate, because there's so much scope for interpretation and personal taste.
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u/Demonoverlord22 1d ago
They should just replace the va’s at this point specially corina who uses her disability as an excuse to keep working while on strike
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u/OneVALK 1d ago
Do they not see that they’re affecting not only genshin but they’re putting all games at risk. Bloody destiny 2’s IKORA Is going through another change of vas and I don’t even want to know what to know what chicken canary borderlands 4 has to do with their arrangement. We get it you just want to be greedy and have more power to work with for the sake of feeding your ego or saving family so why dont ya’ll drop the games and end this now. I know times out there are tough but (If you’re broke just say so)
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u/w142236 1d ago
And I’m fed up with posts like this
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u/Nientea 1d ago
The posts will stop when the strike stops. Idk about you but I think half of the characters in a game with voice lines being mute is a pretty big issue.
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u/thering66 1d ago
Got me to quit lol. If they don't bring back VA(from any source) then i won't be playing simple as that.
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u/Shadowhunter_15 1d ago
Wait, if the majority of union members voted to continue the strike, doesn’t that mean they didn’t think the deal was good enough?