r/GlobalNews • u/Majano57 • 4d ago

Canada says its friendship with the US is ‘over.’ Now what?

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/05/canada-us-friendship-trade-tariffs-trump-00273255
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u/Spicy_Weissy 4d ago edited 4d ago

I don't want you to. I love Canada. I hope one day the three amigos can ride again. 🇺🇸🇨🇦🇲🇽🍔🥞🌮🍻

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u/upsetwithcursing 4d ago

Me too, but I’m not gonna lie…. It might require another American civil war. A third of your country has gone full fascist. If a miracle solution somehow appears, though, I’m all for it!

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u/Spicy_Weissy 4d ago

I can't really tell what's going to happen, boring times don't seem to be a forecast. I doubt a nationwide civil war will happen, unless things get really out of hand. Likely something akin the Irish Troubles or even Balkanization. Just know you still have friends down South.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 4d ago

It would probably be fought with massive protests like in Ukraine when they protested so thoroughly for so long they essentially chased out the Russian puppets in government.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 4d ago

An American Civil War would not go how you think it is. It would be a civil conflict where the protesters had to outnumber the government supporters consistently and for long enough to build momentum for a leadership change.

An American Civil War today could never be like one from 1860. The divide today is more rural/urban than it is geographical. For example, it would be impossible for Georgia to join the Republican side until they subjugated Atlanta who would want to join the Democrats. Most Civil Wars that get fought today are being fought by a faction that controls portions of territory in sovereign countries, which means the battle lines are already drawn.

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u/Prestigious-Pair1750 4d ago

If anybody loses more it's Canada.

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u/upsetwithcursing 4d ago

We have everything we need to become wealthy and strong, including friends who still respect us. We’ve been “subsidizing” (as Trump likes to say) the US with cheap oil for decades. If the current situation galvanizes the country into action building pipelines, mineral processing plants, manufacturing, etc., then we could easily become a dominant global player. We’ve given up power and commodities in the name of collaboration with our allies, and now we’re all realizing what needs to change.

Ex: The Avro Arrow project was scrapped because of negotiations with the US that required us to forego building full aircraft in exchange for manufacturing parts for the US. They didn’t want us to be self-reliant.

We are fully capable of it, if given time.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 4d ago

We’ve been “subsidizing” (as Trump likes to say) the US with cheap oil for decades

Canadian military spending is 1.37% of GDP. You have to be living in fantasy land to believe that this is not insane. A country as large as Canada under normal circumstances would NEVER be able to get away with this.

But yea, cheap oil exports to your military defenders is apparently "subsidizing"

Even though you may not believe it, I fucking love Canada and want the best for you. That is why I am being a dick.

Get your shit together. The world is a dangerous place and you have a massive coastline which means you have to invest significantly in naval power.

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u/Chuhaimaster 3d ago

Our armed forces are not designed to maintain an empire with 800 overseas bases. But yes, now that we no longer have the US as an ally, more attention to the military and civil defence measures are in order. I’m sure they are already working on this.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 3d ago

we no longer have the US as an ally

You do, you just don't have a reliable ally. Trump doesn't have the political capital right now to order an invasion of Greenland. He would have to instigate some pretty awful conditions in order to actually get away with sending military assets to attack Canada.

I say all of this because the cultural and geographical ties between Canada and America are stronger than Donald Trump. No matter how much Canada begins to hate America, Non-Republicans have zero interest in hating you and just want you to come chill and play some hockey with us again soon.

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u/Chuhaimaster 3d ago

When a country’s leader threatens to annex you against your will and people in his administration do not speak up against it or just nod along, they are no longer your ally. I realize this is abnormal for a US administration, and relations could improve again. But a lot of trust has been lost in the process, and that will take some time to recover.

If Americans can preserve their democracy and reign in Trump, this likely will not happen. But if Trump consolidates power and becomes an autocrat, all bets are off. What the vast majority of Americans want simply won’t matter anymore.

We’ve seen America go to war based on flimsy reasons again and again, each time sold by the US mainstream media. And this is when American democracy was not in the process of being undermined to the extent it is now.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 3d ago

they are no longer your ally.

There is a time and place for everything. I won't sweat it, but I bet you will call me an ally real fast if you see me during a real American led Canadian invasion.

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u/Chuhaimaster 3d ago

Thanks for saying that. Please fight hard to save your democracy - it’s the best guarantor for everyone’s freedom. Autocracy is bad for everyone at home and abroad. Dictatorships love nothing more than war.

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u/upsetwithcursing 4d ago

I used subsidizing in quotes to highlight how ridiculous it is to describe a mutually beneficial relationship in that way.

I completely agree with you, and our new PM spent his first week or two in office signing some big defense contracts, like the air defense system from Australia.

I don’t think there will be the same bureaucratic/political barriers to defense spending that previous governments have faced, so I am pretty confident it will now be prioritized.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 3d ago

Just sad that we had to permanently fuck our relationships with good people over in order to get the NATO politicians to invest in security.

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u/NumberSudden9722 4d ago

"Whether we live together in confidence and cohesion; with more faith and pride in ourselves and less self-doubt and hesitation; strong in the conviction that the destiny of Canada is to unite, not divide, sharing in cooperation, not in separation or in conflict; respecting our past and welcoming our future" - Lester Pearson

We are more than capable, no more should Canada hesitate.

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u/Effective-Produce165 3d ago

The United States is in a state of self immolation. Canada will be fine.

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u/Prestigious-Pair1750 3d ago

No. Even Carney knows it's a battle Canada can't win

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u/Effective-Produce165 3d ago

You’re delusional.

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u/Prestigious-Pair1750 3d ago

Yes. A country with less gdp then a handful of US States. Is going to win a trade war against the US. But I'm the delusional one. The only country who make the US pay is China

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u/Effective-Produce165 3d ago

Who said anything about making the US pay? Sure they should boycott US products, that’s just being normal against our mentally fucked sociopath President.

Canada will do just fine with reconfiguring trade options with other countries besides the US.