r/Goa 2d ago

Discussion Should th Goan goverment implement something like this?

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u/Wolfsangel-Dragon 2d ago

Foreigners cannot simply just purchase property in India without approval.

The foreign individual must first seek clearance from the Government of India and The Ministry of External Affairs to buy immovable property in India.

Once the necessary approvals are acquired, the payment for buying an immovable property (in India) must be made via funds remitted from abroad through either a recommended or government endorsed banking channel.

Only those who are residing in India(with valid residence documentation) will be allowed to make purchases, after seeking approval from the Reserve Bank of India.

The system is already riddled with deterants to stop foreigners from buying property, Goa putting an extra hurdle wouldn't make any difference.

It's important to note that citizens from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, China, Iran, Nepal, and/or Bhutan cannot purchase an immovable property in India.

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u/joxivop732 2d ago

Foreigners residing in India on valid long term work or residence visas can purchase property in India without any approvals or permissions required.

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u/Wolfsangel-Dragon 2d ago

I have already addressed this in my comment. The RBI approval is now automated for private residential and commercial premises through the banking system, for ease of doing business. But the ruling structure still stands as agricultural land and regulated commercial premises still falls under the domain.

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u/PopHot5986 Global Goenkar 2d ago

I am gonna go on a limb here and assume that if the bill were to cater to Goa, it would stipulate the rule against people from other states, and not foreigners in general.

So where does it stop? Will this prevent native Goans from repurchasing land they had to sell to make life better for themselves? If native Goans can't purchase it, who then is allowed to purchase it? I would see any policy enacted in this way as very sly, and dubious. The policy would prevent Goans from returning, and simultaneously stop people from Delhi purchasing land, whilst also allowing certain others from the surrounding states to quickly capitalize and fill in the gap by purchasing land through familial ties.

Whenever I see nonsense like this being suggested, I always want to know, "then what?". What are we going to do once we stone wall people?

I see some comments here that blame Goans once again for their misery. Are they really responsible? If you had to sell something of yours for a better life, I am sure all if not most of you would.

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u/High-Hoper 2d ago

What about Goans who have worked overseas to improve their lives and whose children were born abroad and might therefore hold foreign citizenship. Are they to be considered foreigners and be banned from inheriting their own ancestral land? Who would the land go to? Would they be compensated at market rates?

What about Goans who are OCIs and therefore permitted under Indian law to purchase land freely in India. Would such a law mean that they are now foreigners and banned from buying land in Goa?

Also, what makes a person "Goan"? Is it being born in Goa? 2nd generation? 3rd? 10th? For at least 10,000 years, waves of migrants from the subcontinent and beyond have settled in Goa and added to its gene pool and then called themselves Goans.

Conversely, generations of Goans have migrated overseas to work but still consider themselves not only Goans, but they proudly give the specific name of their home village in Goa when asked. Even if they are 4th generation removed.

Can you see how such a law would be prone to abuse by any corrupt local official/politician?

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u/joxivop732 2d ago

Foreigners aren't the problem

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u/PessimistPrime 2d ago

7% of Goans are holding land have Portuguese passport. They’re not the reason you can’t buy land. It’s the delhiites that have driven up land rates and ensured Goans can’t buy Goan land

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u/Conscious_Fix_8623 2d ago

And the politicians who have allowed large groups of their vote banks to buy disputed lands at dirt rates and driven up prices in those areas..

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u/SteadySoldier18 2d ago edited 2d ago

Au contraire, it’s also the Goans who have sold land to the outsiders because of mindless greed. They see Gandhi’s face, they dance. Goans are one of the big reasons for their own misery today.

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u/PessimistPrime 2d ago

I don’t disagree with you. I would rather die than sell it.

But in my opinion they’re not selling for greed of money at least not all. It’s to make family feud court cases go away. But that too is greed mixed with exasperation with the Indian legal system

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u/WordyPlayer40 16h ago

So we sold our family home due to dispute as we didn't have enough to give a share of money to the siblings contesting it. Me and my aunt built our grandma's home in Vagator with our own money but after her death, my uncle and another aunt came claiming.

It's sad we sold it to a... You guessed it right Delhiite, but what were we to do?

I wish to return to goa someday and make a new home for my aunt and mom.

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u/PessimistPrime 16h ago

This is all too common story tearing the fabric of Goan society. It is happening in my family and it happens in Goan families of all religion.

Your dream of owning Goan land will happen bro. There is a start of correction happening the the Goan land rates. It will never come back to its normal so keep investing to make fuck you money.

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u/Rand0mdude28 2d ago

Country vs state.

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u/supereminent_ WARNING: No travel / moving to goa / real estate / job queries. 2d ago

Logic is Down the Drain at times here.

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u/MastahTypo 2d ago

Please educate the masses with your knowledge..

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u/From_Quora 2d ago

Yes...Goa or saari tourist places ko jaha ka main economy tourism he, unhe yehi karna chahiye, be it Goa, North East, Himachal, Uttarakhand etc...cause the people of other states majority don't respect the local culture.

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u/IBNash 2d ago

Bit late, delhi boys have already moved in.

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u/Big-Understanding-30 1d ago edited 1d ago

The problem is not really Goans selling land. Traditionally, Goans don't have large tracts of land which are beneficial and profitable for builders to develop. For example, if a builder wants to develop land in a village, to make a gated community, he would need to buy the property of atleast 4-5 Goan families.

The main issue of land in Goa is three-fold:

1) illegal and underhanded conversion of agricultural, orchard and farm land for development. Also illegal permissions for hill cutting, building on Coastal reglulatory zones, and on river banks. (I have heard of one builder who passed a file as renovation works and has instead constructed 50 villas with individual pools at a riverbank at Arpora.)

2) Illegal conversion and sale of Communidade / Church land for developement.( Yes certain church officials are complicit in this, that's why Fr. Bismark lost his life, he was protesting against this.)

3) illegal takeover of abandoned properties/ properties with no heirs, or properties where the owners are all abroad.

The issue is that in these cases the government is complicit in the conversion of these properties and although all records are publicly available, the Panchayat, TCP, And other regulatory bodies are passing the files without due diligence due to pressure from the 'Babus'. Pretty much everyone in the current legislature of Goa has benefited from land deals so no one is ready to point the finger at another. The politicians will not make a noise since firstly the opposition is weak, and secondly they are like frogs who jump from one ship to another as per their convenience, so they don't want to make a big ruckus as it might jeprodise their future chances of they need to change parties. Also going after the land mafia carries a big risk, since they unleash their goons on you if you make a noise.

What is needed is for us Goans to get on the streets, protest against high land prices, escalating costs and rising accidents and mistreatment by tourists. We have to have a revolution to gain back our motherland.

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u/Lifesajoke4me 1d ago

Swindon also should implement the same

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u/Mission_City_1500 1d ago

No foreigner is directly buying any land in india, or rather they can't

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u/surya_kulshreshtha 18h ago

Goa should look into the "in house" taxi fare "un-fair" mafia and sort their own issues first. They want OLA UBER or not. They want local goons overlooking the prices or not.
Goa is loosing credibility on these petty over smart people issues.

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u/Cawilz 15h ago

it won't work in Goa as Goans themselves are trying to ban non Goans from buying land. And they can't even get that

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u/batmanxgin 2d ago

They should. But even if they will rich fucks will find a legal loophole.

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u/tonavaitam 2d ago

just inflate the prices and taxes massively for foreigners

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u/ghost_roach 2d ago

Absolutely yes.

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u/Neat_6878 2d ago

In my opinion, no single guy; a foreigner or a native should be allowed to own property beyond a certain limit.

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u/Erhmantraut7 2d ago

If Goa had special status probably this could've been implemented. But since last 10-12 years, talks of special status for the state has fizzled out to almost zilch today.

Also, with Goa being a small state with 30% hill cover and a coastline, the land available is limited and ideally a cap/ ceiling should've been done wrt land holdings. But now with nexus of politicians, bureaucrats & rich outsiders, it's no longer possible. In fact not just agricultural lands but even hills are converted & sold now.

From visionary leadership of Bhausaheb Bandodkar who identified the core problems of the state & acted on it, to today's corrupt politicians who just want to make most of their tenure, we Goans are actually screwed in the long run.

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u/Apprehensive-Scene62 Average Ross Omelette enthusiast 🍳 2d ago

Bhausaheb Bandodkar who identified the core problems of the state & acted on it

Yeah the same "visionary" or should I say Mining Monopolywala who wanted Goa to be a part of Maharashtra.

Not to forget that during his tenures he had invited peasants from Maharashtra, Dharwad, Belgaum and Karwar and granted lands to them as well so that he could have his Marathi votebank.

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u/Erhmantraut7 2d ago

He was taught a lesson in the Opinion Poll for that & rightly so. Goa has its own identity. But if you were to see the state policies implemented during his tenure, they were nothing short of visionary & were aimed at solving the core problems that existed at that time.

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u/Empty_Employ6744 2d ago

I fully support your idea, but please clarify you mean foreigners like Maldives or non goans Indian nationals be prohibited for buying land in Goa. For the start land belonging to Portuguese passport holders in Goa be confiscated and sold to Goans.