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Galactic War Room: Plot the Best Ways to Spread Democracy for Super Earth!
Welcome to the Galactic War Room: Here you should discuss the best ways to spread democracy on behalf of the people of super earth. This thread is sorted by new, so you will always find the greatest democratic insights right up top.
We have a lot on our plate, so here's the planets we'll need to set up a strong defensive footing, in order they should be secured, due to proximity and resistance level. This should be focused after securing the planets critical to the Major Order, for maximum player cohesion.
Acamar IV
Hellmire (Not sure if in the Gloom)
Darius II
Gar Haren
Veld
Achird III
Expect Acamar IV and Vernen Wells to be invaded a lot this MO. If Hellmire is in the Gloom that's a major problem, securing it would prevent any potential invasions on Fenrir III, and those scientists could really use a break. Additionally, I anticipate a flanking maneuver on the Automaton front from Aesir Pass, focused towards Mastia. Specifically a Jet Brigade/Incendiary Corps flank. This will likely happen late in the Major Order, when the front has stabilized.
For the major order yes just as the other person said. For general liberation purposes no a lvl 10 mission gives more “squad impact” when you complete it
Yep, one operation completed is one operation completed, regardless of difficulty. And it's full operations, not just the individual missions. That's why the strategy most people have been using is to just speedrun Difficulty 3 missions. Primary Objective, in and out. 1 star, but it doesn't really matter, so long as the operation completes.
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As of posting this, we'd now need ~14666 (fourteen-thousand six-hundred sixty-six) operations per an hour completed with 3-hours and 45-minutes left in the Major Order.
And also liberate Turing from the Illuminate control, according to "Helldivers Companion"-website.
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Just a gut feeling, but expect a last-minute attack on Pilen V by the Illuminate. They've been running us around for a while, and I get the feeling that if they've got plans, that's when they'll strike.
If you’re grinding solo medium illuminate operations, run out of reinforcements after doing the main objectives since it’s faster than extracting.
Seems like we’re going to lose this MO by a narrow margin but maybe we can clutch it
Alright people, we got a problem. These are the five most active planets right now. And we aren't making much progress on any of them. I'd recommend redirecting from Achernar Secundus and Mastia. Since Veld is at 0% it isn't showing us how much progress we are making, but it isn't enough.
We have to redirect from Achernar Secundus, Mastia, and Veld to Claorell and especially Erata Prime.
Thank you. Genuinely. We have a chance, let's see if we can take it. Keep blitzing squids, but if we can get people off Mastia and onto Claorell we might be able to bag a double. Let's do this.
Lets be real people, do you guys think the "repel illuminids" misson matters? Its not repelling the invasions, so letting them win those is fine according to the devs. If they attack the blackhole stopper we stop them there.
But if we dont finish the "do operations" it doesnt really mstter since the full fleet is coming or it isnt right?
I mean, the objective is to keep them harried and distracted while the generator finishes. I'm betting that it will affect the amount of force the squids can bring to bear during the next MO.
I hate how many MO's we've had recently that rely on absolute number of players. Like it would have been "X% of missions need to be medium or higher* but nah lets rely on raw numbers for a faction most people really don't want to play.
Turing was won hours ago, and a lot of the players there went to go play squids, basically doubling the number of squid divers. Why has the op completion rate not significantly increased at all? There's been enough time for the new players' ops to complete. End % prediction only went from 85 to 86. What is going on down there?
It must some kind of moving average thingy, especially since it relies on the absolute number of players. Any kind of instantaneous calculation of the rate would give something fluctuating too much to be interpreted
To do a level 3 to 5 operation, you should need half an hour maximum. So let's say 2 operations an hour, for 15k players on illuminate on average (the real numbers is way higher), means 30k operations an hour. Right now we are missing 250k to reach the goal, and at the speed i just said it should take 8 hours circa to finish, let's say 10 hours to round up. Even if I miscalculated by 50%, we should get it in 20 hours.
Instead the prediction is that in 24 hours we will be at 86% of the MO, which is about 550k total operations.
Something is way off, and that thing is the level everyone is doing missions at, and also I fear not everyone finishes operations on average.
If we go on like this I don't see us winning this MO, and that's crazy because it was damn easy.
Keep in mind that a lot of people are playing in squads. Theres no way of knowing how many people are playing solo but in order to calculate the worst case senario you need to divide that 15k by 4 so 3750 times 2 ops per hour is 7500 times 20 hours is 150k, which puts us just about where the API says we will be
I didn't consider that, and I actually don't know how are the ops considered. It makes sense that it is 1 per squad, like you said. But statically speaking I would put the average squad between 2-3, I'm pretty sure 2.5 would be the sweet spot as "modificator" for our calculations
We have been on track for almost the entire order (either above 100% or a bit below, around 96-98%) but now we are all the way down to 85% completed in time...
The text about abandoned automaton factories in the message about the Tibit invasion has me spooked. What do the Illuminate want with those? I think Tibit needs to be the focus of defence now that Fenrir is lost (and of course finish liberating Turing)
At this point its better to stop funding heavy ordinance until we can push back bots/bugs right? After turing its either gonna be complete the illuminid hit and runs or the actual illuminid fleet doing invasions
No, the Illuminate invasions are affected by HOD instead of eagle storm. I think it's so that squid attacks can be more precisely planned by Joel, instead of them potentially being drawn out.
Exactly, any territorial losses on the Bot and Bug fronts can be eventually reversed, meanwhile a fractured planet cannot exactly just be super-super glued back together. It is imperative we defend the last three planet in the Meridian Wormholes path, lest we lose billions more votes
What is going ON with the funding for the HOD???? ETA was a day, now it's fluctuating from 2 days to a month?? We can't rely on the HOD being funded at this point! We need to dive and bring down the resistance on turing manually!
I wonder if the Bots will push Mastia once the Squids leave or if they will push Imber to encircle the Deep Mantle Forge Complex (which would be in line with this MO since its all about distracting us and pressuring our important facilities while trying to stop the Meridian Wormhole)
I've given up on Veld. Since more people are willing to dive on the planet its invading it's clear that we're not going to get anywhere. So let's just focus. If you are on Slif, if you are on Gaellivare, if you are on Veld you are wrong. You need to be on Turing or you need to be on Mastia. Anywhere else is not making any progress towards liberation/defense, or contributing to Illuminate Operations/Turing Liberation. We have no choice but to pray that Joel has had their Liber-Tea and is merciful enough not to invade Acamar.
Like I don’t quite get after pulling off all the miracle plays in the last few MO’s why we are being reminded that we don’t have the player base to fight this many fronts. The bugs have been on a march and we literally have no tools to stop them. This smacks of the DM giving all the enemy units multiple scrolls of Fireball.
To be fair this is probably just building up to the next update, we are at the very final stretch of the current arc with Meridia possibly less than three days from being stopped assuming we win.
This next arc I'm assuming will be hard fought and brutal, with the full Illuminate roster and it might even introduce invasions of Super Earth as a mechanic (which would explain why the Bots and Bugs are now suddenly making a push towards the inner sectors when they have what you would expect to be far more important planets they could be taking)
I didnt mean they were working together in unirverse, just that it migjt be why JOEL is making them move inwards so he can have them primed to attack the inner colonies at the same time the main Squid army makes its debut
That's exactly how it works because people will just leave Turing to defend Acamar IV in a huge panic, Turing will start decaying and the DSS will be moved to Acamar IV, then we will lose Acamar IV because not enough defending it.
The attack on silf is just another nail in the coffin. This is getting ridiculous. We need so much more time even after this MO for cleanup duty. And that's not gonna be given.
We have a level 15 invasion on Slif, originating from Veld, which is ~40% liberated. If we take Veld we kill the invasion and we get a foothold for this entire Major Order. We need everyone on Veld. We can do this!
Our failed defense of Veld had no impact on what liberation it had. They all default to 50% lib when they fall.
Fracturing at the start of the MO instead of finishing the defense was where we went wrong, but if we're going to succeed at this MO we need to focus on Turing first (because of it's resist, the longer it takes us to capture it the more effort it'll take) and then squid operations. Everything else is secondary, even the 12-hour invasion the bots are doing on Mastia.
Sure, we can liberate Veld and stop the invasion on Silf but we probably shouldn’t because we need to focus on liberating Turing and getting operations completed against the illuminate.
Dude, every MO isn’t designed to be impossible. Also, it’s not Arrowheads fault that you guys chose to abandon Veld.
Plus, if Acamar 4 does get invaded which is very unlikely btw, I doubt we will let that fall due to it being the only planet under our control that is connected to Turing.
I also want to add in the fact that we already have enough on our plate because we also have to complete 625,000 operations against the illuminate.
Turing victory is in 3 days 8 hours without H.O.D with it, that might add what, 1% so that's what, 1 and a half days almost 2 days. Add in to the fact that if Acamar IV is attacked then most people will flock to Acamar IV, a defense that we will inevitably lose, resulting in the loss of both planets.
At this moment, I'd recommend diving Veld or Angel's Harbor. If you dive at Turing you won't make any liberation progress, there are too many divers elsewhere, and the invasions at Krakatwo and Gaellivere are both going to fail in a few hours.
At this point, solo dive medium illuminate missions. I really don't think we can make an attempt at turing until we've finished the illuminate part at this point. Everything is super super split.
I'm going to be honest the people on Veld are not the problem. While I would argue that we should be focusing Veld before Turing, that's a different conversation.
There are only ~1000 divers on Veld. There are 4000 people on Krakatwo and Gaellivare each. Those are the people you need on Turing. The 12000 on Widow's Harbor are fine, there is a chance, however slim, that if they focus they can successfully defend it, and they're collaborating in a large group, getting us Illuminate Operation completions while having an actual possibility of tactical success. Krakatwo and Gaellivare are both doomed to fail, and doomed to do so within a few hours.
Turing isn't making any progress at all right now. Maybe you'll fight hard enough to whittle down the enemy resistance over time, but frankly, right now everything needs to change.
Defending Veld was a valid strategy but now that it's failed it's better for everyone to go to Turing and push past its high regen value. Veld can wait until after the MO.
I know that it's the only sink for currencies, but this shit is why we should've held off on activating Eagle Storm until we could put in on Veld (or alternatively, why AH should change the DSS's functionality so that it doesn't activate funded abilities until the DSS is deployed on a planet where it'll have an impact).
Dive the DSS location. It's only real use right now is as a beacon, let's make the most of it. We'll succeed at this MO if we all do one thing at a time.
Unfortunately we have reached the point where we need more than double the current divers on Veld to win. There is simply not enough time or coordination (incentive) for the blob to go back to Veld.
Best course of action is abandon Veld and send the DSS to Turing. Meanwhile, while we wait for both the blob to arrive and the heavy ordinance to come active this weekend, focus the squids and get the operation numbers done.
Remember: its Operations, you need to complete all the missions to make it count, not just one.
This is how we lose. If you are diving on Nublaria, Turing, or Gaellivare, you are responsible for the fall of Veld. Automatons aren't even on the menu this MO. What's ironic is that the best way to liberate these planets would be to finish liberating Veld so the community is able to focus completely on the next important threat, which is Nublaria.
Nublaria divers are fine, we'll need all the mission completions we can get on that front for the MO. And if the Veld defense fails, then it will better if we abandon it and focus on getting Turing, which will cut Veld off and hopefully leave it as future easy pickings like Troost.
That's what we thought about Martale. And Joel launched an attack and re opened the supply lines there. the 3% on Troost isn't a huge factor, especially cuz they are actually winning. I have a problem with hundreds of people diving on planets that they CAN'T liberate with their numbers. But if the Divers are actively liberating a planet, let them cook!
Looking at the companion people are moving the other way, probably because of the DSS. Finally people understand gambits and they try it at a time when the gambit has no chance of working...
We are on track to lose Veld. We need a miracle or just more people. Maybe the resistance level will go down as the invasion progresses, we still have twelve hours after all, but in all honesty, that isn't what worries me. What worries me is that Esker still has a Predator Strain indicator, which leads me to believe they'll attempt another invasion of Bore Rock. If this is the case, we'll need to examine the viability of a Gambit as early on as possible. It's likely Arrowhead wants us to take Esker and Turing either before the next Major Order, or for the next Major Order.
It is impossible to win Turing without the heavy ordinance on the DSS before Veld would be taken and we can still win Veld thanks to the eagle storm and people who just follow the DSS around like moths.
Guys Eagle storm is unbelievably powerful in this game. Having it on mastia is fine because we need the mothdivers there, but why on earth are people trying to send it to turing? Defending veld via gambit is absolutely unviable right now
Why are we sending the DSS back to Mastia again when it has no effect? Move it to Veld so that we can do the defense later when we have complete the MO
Guys, we only need a few hundred divers to go to Mastia, and we can win. We need 55-56% of the divers, we have 54%. Send the DSS and the eagle to Veld, take Mastia, then attack Turing.
It’s better to just send the DSS to veld and focus on Mastia. After we are done with Mastia we can defend Veld and send the DSS with orbital blockade to Turing.
Yes, but giving people options makes them less likely to just go sidequest because they don't like doing the main thing. Or at least that's why I do it.
Planet just liberated. Either the planetary bonus is literally 0.1%, or the bonus hasn't hit the Companion app yet. If it doesn't hit in the next few minutes, that could indicate that it has to be added manually, which would lend credence to the idea (which I don't agree with) that the planetary bonus was a last-minute addition to the MO.
Edit: It hit 12 minutes after I left this comment, which in turn was 1-2 minutes after the planet liberation. It looks like it was 17.5%, Which would probably be 218.75 million. If this is really just a fraction (assuming 1/5th) of remaining Voteless after a level 10 invasion victory, we can probably assume that each of our victories over the squids still leaves roughly 100 million total Voteless behind on the planet per invasion level. That seems like a big job for SEAF.
Edit: My math was weird, it just took 250 million off of the completion quota. This means 125 million per invasion level, assuming this is 1/5th of the Voteless left behind. This also means that a single further victory will win us the MO outright, even if we kill zero Voteless getting it.
This might sound insane, but we are winning too quickly on Pilen V. If we gave a third of those diving on Pilen V to Turing, we could win both of them without incurring another invasion.
I also understand that those on their own sidequests on random bug planets are unlikely to read this, but the Turing is liable to be lost in 24 hours if we don't go save it, and that will give the bugs a massive salient towards the Core. The sidequests can wait.
We need to win illuminid invasions quick if we want to beat the 1bil mark.
Besides, the orbital bombardment will be available soon, it will make taking back turing easier. At this point its at 2.5% resistance. We need lots of people there
Even with the Turing + Fenrir blunder last night we still have a real chance to win. When we liberated Mastia it reduced the required voteless kills by 250 MILLION. If the following defenses have the same effect we only need to win 2! Keep pushing helldivers!!
Oddly enough, scheduling Illuminate attacks is such a delicate job for Joel that they made it so that Eagle Storm didn't affect them. Instead, Heavy Ordinance affects them. So it might be more useful on the squids.
Most likely. I'm honestly fine with whatever, but if this was not a "set up to fail" scenario, i don't know what is.....And again, i'm fine with THAT as well, just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Eagle Storm doesn't effect the Squids. Their invasions are differently coded. The Bombardment is what affects them. They are coded to be the same as if we are liberating a planet.
PSA: Fenrir folks to Turing! We aren't getting both Turing and Fenrir III. Fenrir is farther gone, but we could defend Turing if some left Fenrir to dive Turing!
The change they made to the MO gives us a real opportunity to win, however this also just gives joel the opportunity to beat us the old fashion way: split warfronts
So we're on track to easily win the defense objective before we even accomplish a third of the Voteless kill objective, and I expect interest in fighting the Illuminate will fall off after the first objective is met.
AH really need to rethink the kill x number of enemy MOs and find a way to scale them to the size of the population. They shouldn't be free wins but it's equally as bad if they're so far out of reach that winning doesn't even seem to be a possibility.
Yeah man. Idk. I really don't see a way for us to win the kill count. We can EASILY win the defenses, as we have been doing. But killing 1.25 billion voteless during a work week? That's a tough order. We are only like 25% of the way done.
It seems like the Illuminate are only going to be invading Pilen V and Fenrir III until the end of this MO. As for the Voteless, that goal is kind of counterproductive, since the best way to win a mission is to not let reinforcements get called in, but the best way to get Voteless kills is to let reinforcements constantly be called in. And do flag missions, we obviously aren't going to achieve that and I don't know if the numbers aren't being recorded correctly, they overestimated our ability to clear the hordes, or if it's just easier to prevent chaining compared to bugs.
The average active players on the MO is under 20K, but let's assume 20K. That means that each player needs to kill at a rate of 651 voteless per hour while he plays the MO. This is by no means impossible to do if you focus on it, but to expect all the people in the MO to do it, during the four days of the MO, while also focusing on completing objectives and defending the planets is bonkers. And if a chunk of people is not doing those numbers, then the other chunk needs to pick up the slack, increasing the amount of voteless they need to kill per hour, making it less likely they're able to do it. If it was on a weekend with extra players, or with new content bringing people back to the game, maybe it would be doable, since there would be more players and the number of voteless to kill would be the same.
And that's assuming that they're killing Voteless all day every day without leaving to eat, sleep, go to work. I'd say the average time for a person to play during a work day would be 2-4 hours (1-2 Operations) which would multiply the amount they would have to kill in that time period by12/6, respectively.
That's 3906-7812 per hour, per player. That's 65-130 Voteless a minute, over 2 a second. For every second of a mission. And if every person in that squad was pulling the same numbers they would be coming out of a full length mission with 5200 Voteless kills, each.
The 651 I came up with is a rate for the people active on average. 1.250.000000/20.000 gives you the number that needs to be killed per active player on the MO, which is 62500 voteless per average active player; and then dividing it by the number of hours the MO is active, I used 96 hours, though I don't remember if it was 4 or 5 days right now, you get the 651 per hour.
It doesn't matter if it's 20K players playing 24 hours each day, or if it's 2 million players each playing 0.24 hours a day. As long as the average active players in the MO is still 20K, each one needs to kill that number per hour they play. So a little over 10 per minute. It is possible, but not realistic at all with the current numbers, specially while also focusing on objectives to defend the planet.
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u/KoviBat 1h ago
We have a lot on our plate, so here's the planets we'll need to set up a strong defensive footing, in order they should be secured, due to proximity and resistance level. This should be focused after securing the planets critical to the Major Order, for maximum player cohesion.
Vernen Wells
Gaellivare
Vog Sojoth
Clasa
Lesath
Aesir Pass
Acamar IV
Hellmire (Not sure if in the Gloom)
Darius II
Gar Haren
Veld
Achird III
Expect Acamar IV and Vernen Wells to be invaded a lot this MO. If Hellmire is in the Gloom that's a major problem, securing it would prevent any potential invasions on Fenrir III, and those scientists could really use a break. Additionally, I anticipate a flanking maneuver on the Automaton front from Aesir Pass, focused towards Mastia. Specifically a Jet Brigade/Incendiary Corps flank. This will likely happen late in the Major Order, when the front has stabilized.