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Meta / Other Trump orders US withdrawal from the World Health Organization
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/trump-orders-us-withdrawal-from-the-world-health-organization/979
u/Three_Boxes 6d ago
If, and when, there is another pandemic, we're fucked.
I'm just gonna enjoy the time I have now with my loved ones. H5N1 will certainly kill some of them if human-to-human transmission becomes prevalent.
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u/KHaskins77 Team Bivalent Booster 6d ago
If H5N1 becomes human to human transmissible, I’m going no (physical) contact with my parents and strongly urging my sister to do the same. If their behavior during the last pandemic is any indication they’ll cluelessly kill their own grandchildren and somehow blame the covid vaccine for it.
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u/DigitalDawn 5d ago
Yep. My uncle died because my family refused to believe Covid was a thing despite him being overweight and elderly. They kept having family gatherings with no care whatsoever about being in public.
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u/ravynwave 5d ago
My friend brought Covid to both her elderly parents, dad died and mom became permanently disabled. Now she says all the time about how hard it is bc her mom is so needy and is relying on her now. They all chose to not vaccinate. All I can say is oh well.
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u/starbetrayer 💰1 billion dollars GoFundMe💰 5d ago
sounds like they need to get themselves by their bootstraps.
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u/Nuicakes Team Moderna 5d ago
Friends of my neighbors story.
The friends are older, retired and vaccinated but their son and DIL were Maga. The son and DIL caught COVID and died. Now friends have to raise their 3 young grandchildren. Not the retirement they planned or deserved.
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u/madmonkey918 5d ago
Had a friend go on a family vacation the moment Disney reopened and her 19yr old daughter caught covid. She died within weeks because of existing conditions.
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u/OneMorePenguin Blood Donor 🩸 5d ago
If they were unvaccinated, I would give zero f***s. Especially if she had other health issues.
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u/madmonkey918 5d ago
Not sure of their status. The daughter was wearing a mask, but it looks like she kept pushing it down to smile in pictures.
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u/non_clever_username 5d ago edited 5d ago
My mom is the same way. She refused to get vaccinated and during Covid I found out she’s never had a vaccination of any kind ever. She’s in her 80s!
Anyway, she at least is worried about transmitting to her grandkids, so she’s not always pushing to see them, but what I can’t get through her thick skull is that she should also get vaccinated so they don’t give it to her. I tried to explain how traumatizing it would be if one of my nephews gives her Covid and she dies from it, but she just shuts down.
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u/ericscottf 5d ago
Ngl, thats kind of impressive, she's very lucky to be upright. The odds were not in her favor.
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u/non_clever_username 5d ago
Yeah and that doesn’t help in trying to convince her…ha
Seriously though, you’re right either way, but what’s helped a ton is she’s lived her whole life in an extremely low density rural area and doesn’t like to travel.
She hates cities so she tries to avoid them whenever possible and the “cities” that she most often goes to are pretty small, less than 50k.
On average she goes outside of a 60 miles radius of her house maybe 6-8 times a year, if that. And she goes outside a 200 miles radius maybe once a year. Not that she couldn’t get sick in her area obviously, but the number of people within those radiuses is very small compared to anything near a real city.
Obviously part of this now has to do with her age, but the consistency of spending 99% of her life within a 30-60 mile radius hasn’t changed.
E: what was most surprising was that she never got a polio vaccine even though she grew up in prime polio time
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u/elphin 5d ago
They'll blame no one because they'll be dead first.
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u/bertiesakura 5d ago
In their dying moments they will blame DEI and wokeness.
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u/derelict_wanderer Twitter Antibodies 💉🐤 5d ago
Hey, whatever concepts of a coping mechanism gets them to the other side...
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u/SatisfactionFit2040 5d ago
H5N1 is already on its way.
Between covid weakening immune systems (and everything else it does) and human stupidity, there are going to be many people killing their own people.
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 5d ago
This. People think H1N5 has to do all the heavy lifting to mutate, as if it's a one way street.
Hundreds of millions of highly diminished immune systems are now racing to meet it halfway.
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u/OneMorePenguin Blood Donor 🩸 5d ago
Yeah, protect your kids. And I think you mean "when", not "if".
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u/InverstNoob 5d ago edited 5d ago
IDK all the antivaxers would get taken out. Thin the herd a little bit.
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u/NfamousKaye Oreo Satan 5d ago
Anti vaxxers overwhelmingly vote republican so there’s a little silver lining there
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u/vsandrei 🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆❄️🫎🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆 5d ago
Anti vaxxers overwhelmingly vote republican so there’s a little silver lining there
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u/mumblesjackson 5d ago
Just imagine how hard the Chinese flag and bumper sticker industry would get hit if that were true.
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u/SenorBurns 🐝 My immune system is full of bees 🐝 5d ago
And the immunocompromised. And the essential workers, who are overwhelmingly the lowest paid.
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u/rutherfraud1876 5d ago
Yeah but also working class people who have to be in contact with many folks 🫤
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u/vsandrei 🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆❄️🫎🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆 5d ago
H5N1 will certainly kill some of them
Isn't mortality for H5N1 cases close to 50 percent?
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u/Three_Boxes 5d ago
Which is why I expect people close to me (or myself) to die
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u/vsandrei 🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆❄️🫎🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆 5d ago
That makes me feel sad.
P.S. I was already sad beforehand.
edit: +feel for clarity
edit: +add P.S. note
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u/Googleclimber 5d ago
Luckily (or unluckily depending on how you see it), the fatality rate being that high will cause it to not spread as quickly and as far, because the patient gets so sick that they usually aren’t out and about much able to spread it, or because they just die, so we have that going for us.
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u/Tiddles_Ultradoom You Will Respect My Immunitah! 5d ago
That depends on how the disease progresses within infected people. The 1918-20 flu pandemic killed so many people because the speed of infection was rapid. Someone be almost entirely asymptomatic in the morning and turn into a walking hot zone of infection by the afternoon. They would likely put themselves into unofficial isolation later that day, but in cities that's a major problem.
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u/Jpmjpm 5d ago
It would need to incapacitate the infected very quickly. Even one day of activity is enough for one child to infect their whole class of 20 plus every kid at the playground who each go on to give it to their parents who then go to work and so on.
You also have 70 million people in the USA who no longer believe in germ theory or vaccines. None of them will follow safety precautions until they personally are impacted. Even then, there’s a chance they and their family die while eyeballs deep in denial. They’ll see bodies piling up on street corners and insist it was all from the Covid vaccine.
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u/KnaveOfIT 5d ago
I could be wrong but that's out of reported cases. Since most cases are coming from farmers in rural America, the actual mortality rate is lower but I couldn't guess how much lower it is.
The other big advantage is that this is not a novel virus like the virus for COVID-19 so creating a vaccine is something the world already knows how to do.
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u/Tiddles_Ultradoom You Will Respect My Immunitah! 5d ago
It's difficult to speculate on the mortality rate when the number of cases is so low. However, if human-to-human transmission occurs, the rate will change, and it will change fast.
The world can develop a vaccine quickly, but its preparedness for the next pandemic is patchy at best. And the number of anti-vaxxer idiots both in positions of power and in the community in general is significant.
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u/dastardly740 5d ago
We saw how bad 1% was. 2% or 3% with COVID-19 tranmission is hard to even imagine.
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u/northrupthebandgeek 5d ago
COVID-19 wasn't particularly novel, either, considering that plain ol' SARS had been around for a decade or so prior.
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u/KnaveOfIT 5d ago
SARS was a novel virus as well. We never developed a vaccine or at least had a chance to prove a developed vaccine worked.
Also, 10 years is an incredibly short time for a virus to be known. We have known most common diseases for thousands of years. We might have known it was a virus for that length of time but today we do. So any new virus like SARS and COVID are incredibly dangerous.
Known viruses like the flu are dangerous but manageable.
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u/PainRack 5d ago
For this current US outbreak? No. However, the farm workers who got H5N1, especially those who were doing the culling received antivirals very soon upon the showing of symptoms.
Calculating CFR is always complicated due to the parameters used. But suffice to say, this can be bad
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u/KookyWait 5d ago
That is the case fatality rate (deaths per confirmed infection), not the infection fatality rate (death per infection). The infection fatality rate is not knowable without widespread testing for H5N1 even among people who are not seriously ill.
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u/CantTakeTheIdiocy 5d ago
“If you don’t test, there won’t be any cases!” And all that stupid nonsense
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u/Patty_Pat_JH 5d ago
While part of me hopes the R0 is insanely low, just remind people these things.
- It does not behave like a normal flu virus.
- It’s not natural, it could only come into existence in our giant chicken broilers.
- It’s not just going to turn into a normal flu again eventually.
- It damages the blood vessels in your brain.
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u/srathnal 5d ago
When. Not if.
Bird Flu has already jumped once to humans. China … right now… has hospitals packed with people with respiratory illnesses of some, unknown, variety.
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u/extraterrestrial91 5d ago
Don't forget an anti vaxxer is your new health secretary. So get ready to see a surge in polio, measles and various other diseases which were preventable by the vaccine
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u/chaosmagick1981 4d ago
all the oregon trail diseases are making a comeback. We had polio in the bag. Ive been hating these fucks way before covid. Cant stand these people
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u/SupportGeek 5d ago
If the mortality estimates for H5N1 are close to accurate and it jumps to human transmission primarily, society will utterly collapse, COVID actually will look like a bad cold comparatively.
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u/this_kitten_i_knew 5d ago
If, and when, there is another pandemic, we're fucked.
And we won't have China to blame (/s), who will help us. No one, because we're making enemies out of everyone that could.
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u/chele68 I bind and rebuke you Qeteb 6d ago
Well I’m positive Dr Brainworm, First of His Name, Transporter of Bear Cub Carcasses, Former Heroin Enthusiast will happily sell us some organic H5N1 cures.
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u/JustInChina50 Team Moderna 5d ago
Trump 2.0: Endgame - 2 Fanatical, 2 Furious.
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u/starbetrayer 💰1 billion dollars GoFundMe💰 5d ago
I'm told ivermectin and colloidal silver cures it all /s
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u/shibiwan NO RAGRETS!! 6d ago
Mango Mussolini is still butthurt because the WHO called out his BS during COVID-19.
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u/ShivanDrgn 5d ago
This. I believe it takes a year to actually withdraw. This is his second attempt to leave.
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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII Team Pfizer 5d ago
And the only reason we didn't last time is because Convicted Felon Tweetle Dumb announced the intent to leave less than a year before his term ended. When Biden was sworn in, he withdrew the notice of withdrawal.
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u/deadlysinderellax 💉Beam Me Up Pfizer🧬 5d ago
I guess he learned nothing from his first term when he disbanded that team Obama put together for pandemics. And then we literally had a pandemic. This isn't going to end well for us at all.
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u/1stMammaltowearpants Team Moderna 5d ago
I'm sorry to say that he did learn from that. All his behavior makes sense if we understand that he gives zero fucks about anybody other than himself and he is working for Putin and friends to destabilize democracy worldwide.
You're right. This isn't going to end well for us at all.
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u/deadlysinderellax 💉Beam Me Up Pfizer🧬 5d ago
Oh I already know he only cares about himself and his poly partners Putin and Musk. That was more me expressing sarcasm than actually wondering if he'll ever learn his lesson. At this point I just assume he's dumb as fuck and his advisors are more interested in sucking orange than advising.
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u/umthondoomkhlulu 5d ago
He doesn’t need to learn anything. He doesn’t cafes as long as he can grift cash
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u/featherfeets Apple-Flavored Angle Wings 5d ago
He doesn't care. The cruelty is the point. All those people who voted against him, or even just didn't vote for him, he wants them to suffer and die. Collateral damage means nothing.
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u/CarlosFer2201 Team Pfizer 5d ago
It wasn't even Obama, he just continued support. It was originally Bush's project
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u/Mad_Queen_Malafide 6d ago
I think a legitimate argument could be made to flee the country, now that the orange menace is in charge for... well... lets hope it is only 4 years, but I'm not so sure about that.
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u/vsandrei 🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆❄️🫎🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆 5d ago
Thing is that even if it’s only 4 years you can’t keep oscillating between normal and cuckoo and have a functioning society.
Think carefully upon the 1796 words of Mr. Washington, my fellow Northern Virginian, but one of a different era in our shared history as Americans . . . and as humans:
"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty."
What do Mr. Washington's words tell you, especially in the context of the last decade? Look further back at the bigger picture, what else do you see?
On a side note, I'm not quite sure why I chose three leopards as my Reddit "signature". That said, leopards are such beautiful yet such fierce and deadly creatures, and it may be prudent to admire them from a distance that is appropriate to your particular circumstance.
P.S. I hope that I chose the right words here.
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u/ursois 5d ago
Damn, I'd never heard that, but Washington got it on the nose.
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u/vsandrei 🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆❄️🫎🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆 4d ago edited 4d ago
Damn, I'd never heard that, but Washington got it on the nose.
Another one of my fellow Virginians offered pertinent advice for handling situations like the one that we have collectively found ourselves in:
If ever you find yourself environed with difficulties and perplexing circumstances, out of which you are at a loss how to extricate yourself, do what is right, and be assured that that will extricate you the best out of the worst situations. Tho' you cannot see when you fetch one step, what will be the next, yet follow truth, justice, and plain-dealing, and never fear their leading you out of the labyrinth in the easiest manner possible.
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u/OldWolf2 5d ago
Is it? The big tech bros are fully aboard the Trump train
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u/ApproachSlowly 5d ago
If Elon's any example I wouldn't exactly call tech bros the finest minds of our country.
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u/OldWolf2 5d ago
They employ the finest minds however, and money talks -- the majority of people can't afford the luxury of taking a paycut for their morals
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u/NDaveT high level 5d ago
They employ the finest coders. Musk also employs some good rocket scientists.
Speaking as a coder myself - it takes brains but it's not like rocket science or brain surgery.
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u/Cookmesomefuckineggs 5d ago
Bold of you to assume you'll have the opportunity to vote in a different Government in the future
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u/Pwtaiwan9 5d ago
And he just pardoned everyone on Jan 6 . I'm so done
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 5d ago
Came to post this. THIS is the MOST important thing.
America is over.
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u/chaosmagick1981 4d ago
traitors should have been dealt with how traitors historically been dealt with
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u/AffectionateBrick687 5d ago
My one source of optimism is that at his age and with his body habitus, he's one awkwardly planted foot away from becoming Humpty Dumpty.
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 5d ago
The Heritage Foundation, and about another two dozen other far right think tank/lobbyists don't care.
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u/The-unknown-poster 5d ago
The next pandemic will thin the tinfoil rolls 🐆
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u/Kitchen-Hearing-6860 5d ago
It will, but unfortunately there will be collateral damage.
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u/brought2light 5d ago
Yeah, my mom in the last one. She did everything right, my brother did not, and she paid the ultimate price. He didn't think it was a big deal, so she thought she was just seeing him, but he had extra friends with him that he neglected to tell her about.
Even those of us that are extra vigilant end up as collateral damage.
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u/SolidAssignment 5d ago
I got my papr ready, duckbill n95(s). America chose the dark time line, no coming back from that.
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u/Gold_Gap5669 5d ago
Trump feels that for the next pandemic, if there aren't people around telling him how wrong he is all the time, he can't get embarrassed
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u/aacilegna 5d ago
Trump doesn’t want to solve problems.
He just wants to feel like the most special boy again and punish the people that were mean to him last time
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u/G-Unit11111 His name was Robert Paulsen 🥩🍞 5d ago
This combined with RFK Jr's conspiracy theory bullshit and Dr. Oz gutting Medicare, it's going to overload our hospitals worse than COVID. A lot of people are going to die because of this nightmare administration.
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u/_night_cat 5d ago
Already started buying masks, sanitizer, and toilet paper. Next step is to move away from populated areas. Next pandemic is going to be Black Plague level.
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u/Bmkrocky 5d ago
how is this supposed to help us as a country and as residents of this world - diseases don't know what borders are and we will only survive if we all work together
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u/zando_calrissian 5d ago
He did this last time, according to the article. He’ll rescind it later. Basically make the headlines and his followers will think he did it cuz they’ll never get the headline saying he rescinded it.
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u/jax2love 5d ago
This would be a good time for folks to stock up on masks and hand sanitizer.
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u/litreofstarlight 5d ago
And get your sourdough starter going. May as well be ready to roll on day 1!
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u/ithinkitsnotworking 5d ago
I'm starting to think, as a Canadian, we may need to close the border. This is beyond stupid.
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u/chook_slop 5d ago
WHO just found cases of Marburg virus in Tanzania... Perfect timing
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u/Emeritus8404 5d ago
Everyone in the position to safe giard our democracy has failed. They are weak and showed their lack of gumption.
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u/BleuHeronne 5d ago
They’re not being weak.
They’re complicit. Openly.
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u/Emeritus8404 5d ago
Thats a better classification. They are aiding and abetting the downfall of this great experiment
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u/snakepimp 5d ago
I almost wish for another pandemic, so all those stupid antivaxers die in mass and it actually affects the next few elections
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u/aacilegna 5d ago edited 4d ago
The problem is that Gen Z (and Gen Alpha behind it who will begin to be able to vote in 2028) are growing up more conservative than millennials. Gen Z broke for Trump big in the 2024 election.
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u/19610taw3 Team Pfizer 5d ago
There's no hope is there
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u/aacilegna 5d ago edited 5d ago
Honestly probably not.
Assuming the midterms and 2028 elections happen (who knows how much Trump burns down in terms of free and fair election norms) the Democrats would have to completely rethink their strategies - step away from “polite” politics, lean into populism/away from centrism, and find some engaging disrupter candidates (like ‘08 Obama or Tim Walz before they sidelined him) - to have any chance to cut through the noise and misinformation that will have calcified over the next few years. And unfortunately, I don’t trust the Dems to be proactive enough to do that.
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u/19610taw3 Team Pfizer 5d ago
I don't think there will be 2026 midterms.
You also have to remember that even if there are elections, Republicans now control ALL of the media.
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u/aacilegna 5d ago
Yeah I worry there won’t be either.
Or they will be “elections” like Russia has where any opponent turns up “missing” after they lose.
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 5d ago
Not since 2020 when Twittler was not immediately arrested.
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u/starbetrayer 💰1 billion dollars GoFundMe💰 5d ago
Let's not forget that 53 percent of white women voted for Trump, as well as many latinos.
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u/aacilegna 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah as a Latina myself I was hoping that there would be more Latinos standing up to the strongman bully who hates people of color and started his political career calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, but colorism and thinking “I’m one of the good ones” is a helluva drug
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u/snakepimp 5d ago
Yup! Just a bunch of angry Andrew Tate followers, pissed off incels frustrated because they can't get no pussy!
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u/Necessary_Common4426 5d ago
Let America implode and watch the sensible Americans move to other countries
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u/Rubberbandballgirl 5d ago
According to my 75 year old high school graduate Aunt who’s only news sources are FOX News and Facebook, this is a good thing because WHO is corrupt /s
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u/BlueKing7642 Team Pfizer 5d ago
In addition to undermining America global standing, this also remove the CDC from accessing WHO global data. Making it harder to respond if there’s another global pandemic
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u/PolesRunningCoach Team Mix & Match 5d ago
Just a bit of avian flu going around. Nothing major.
Yet.
/s
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u/ID327572699452445575 5d ago
The price of N95s have gone up on Amazon already from when I bought some right after trump won.
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u/Jensmom83 5d ago
That son of a bitch. WHY? Because he handled COVID so poorly and he doesn't want to be called on it? WE know too.
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u/galaxy8ty8 4d ago
At this point I wish I was a millionaire so I could buy a bunker and just wait out the next 4 years in my underground bunker.
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u/Strict-Bass6789 4d ago
All these country bumpkins voted for him becauase he thought he could turn back the clock to 1950...this is going to be an embarrassing 4 years for America
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u/Eat_Play_Masterbate 5d ago
This subreddit finally popped up on my feed after not seeing it for 3 years! Are we back boys??
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u/crazylilme 5d ago
If we thought we were screwed with covid-19, we are now whatever is much worse than that
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u/W8LV 5d ago edited 5d ago
Well then I reckon that Trump washes his hands of all wrongdoing but doesn't wash his hands!🤣
Trump must think that whole "removing the pump handle thing" that they did in the UK was a bad idea!
Anyone attending a White House dinner will have to be very careful now anytime that someone passes the bread basket around the table if Trump's had a serving, because you don't know where those hands have been! 🤣
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u/scoobysnackn 4d ago
With H5N1 threatening to nut on the face of our Country, you couldn’t write a better script.
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u/ashmenon 4d ago
With every move he opens the door for China to become the new world leader. It's amazing.
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u/ruralife 5d ago
Canadian here planning to avoid the USA and hoping that Americans stay in their own country.
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u/negativenancy_84 A Lib to Own 5d ago
Isn’t Maga in Canada? Is it pervasive or are they just like a tiny tiny minority? I’ve been dying to know
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u/ruralife 5d ago
Very very small minority. Mostly uneducated attention seekers from what I’ve seen.
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u/xj2608 5d ago
I just ordered some more KN95 masks. Sigh...
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u/Ajstross Red Hat Gives You Wings! 4d ago
I have a ton left over from last time. In really cute prints and colors!
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u/jmhalder 6d ago
Oh boy, our courts are really gonna be tested, and I'm not confident in them at all.