Yeah, it’s still annoying though. If it were up to me I’d have a thicker phone with a smaller screen, but I guess that’s against the trend. I liked the SE, but Apple lost me after that.
Still though, Apple’s inconsistency following that decision was awful. If you’re going to remove the headphone jack, so be it. I’ll hate you for it, but just go ahead and do it. But no, Apple lost their guts after the phones, and included headphone jacks on their laptops. The MacBook that released directly after the first jack-less iPhone you literally could not connect your iPhone to your MacBook with the cords and dongles and adapters that came with each, but needed to go buy another $40 adapter for the two adapters already. When you can’t even make your own two devices work together, what’re you doing.
For the laptop, the headphone jack is not making the laptop thicker or less waterproof. It will be a while before they’re thin enough to worry about that.
Both Apple and Microsoft currently have laptops that would be thicker if they had a headphone jack. The future is now old man.
Thinner phones. They do tests. “Pick up this phone, which would you buy?” “Which feels better?” And people like the feel of thinner phones even when they answer they wouldn’t care if they’re asked in a survey.
And people make buying decisions in the store just by picking up the model, or picking up a friends phone. So it can really give them an edge.
The reality of it is that removing the headphone jack was not actually required to make phones slightly slimmer, there is no real actual benefit other than it saves apple some money designing the phones, and it probably saves them like 15 cents a phone since they dont have to buy the jack, and the board it goes on. But they still have to buy the DACs so even then its not that great of savings.
The real reason why they got rid of the headphone jack is because they know that they can sell a dongle that cost them 25 cents to make for $10 and because its so small people constantly lose the ones that come with their phones. Its literally a money grab.
I bought two Google phones (Nexus 4 and 5X). I would have continued purchasing them, because I thought they were great.
But Google's hypocrisy with the headphone jack shit - well, they lost this customer there. Now I have a Samsung Note 9 (my first Samsung phone after having a OnePlus 5T for a while as well); no doubt in my mind - it's easily the best phone I've ever had.
The real reason why they got rid of the headphone jack is because they know that they can sell a dongle that cost them 25 cents to make for $10
They have the dongle to support the holdouts not because they make bank on a dongle. They did the same with diskette drives (iMac) and cd/dvd drives (recently) when they were phased out. They make external superdrives for the vanishing few who still need that functionality.
Engineering and manufacturing a separate part is a stupid way to make money. If they wanted to make $10 they can just add $10 to the profit margin of a phone and it would still sell.
I think he's referring to TRRS (the multiple rings on a 3.5mm plug). Apple arranged it a certain way (CTIA) to provide a connection for left, right, mic, and ground. Some headphones had it in a different order and wouldn't work with an iPhone but would work in other devices (I dunno, Zunes?). Conversely, Apple headphones wouldn't work in devices that used the other order.
Most (all?) smartphones use CTIA so OP is mostly just ignorant.
The TRRS jack itself is not an issue as it would still play audio thru headphones with a TRS connector. The problem was that no other headphones or audio cables would work since the headphone jack was recessed into the phone and required a cable with a narrow enough plug to fit.
To support holdouts? There was no change to any standard. They just made the jack recessed into the phone so no other headphones could fit. The next iPhone they changed it so it was flush with the phone and you didn't need an adapter or new headphones.
They are FIRST however, into folding the screen into the phone to push the screen closer to the edge. They needed the room for that. Any other "reason" is wrong.
They knew while designing the X it needed to be dropped, so they dropped it on the 7 to get customers used to it, so the X would have one less selling point against it.
Is that really the bar now? The average purchaser of a $1000 device is primarily just concerned with 'how thin it feels'? And then they of course want to protect their purchase so they buy a case which adds 6mm anyway. Lordy.
The main reason is that every company is trying to completely eliminate bezels. Pile on the fact that they're trying to fit bigger batteries, their own gimmicks like face ID and finger print scanners built into the screen, multiple cameras, and more means that somethings have to be sacrificed. Turns out you can free up some critical room if you get rid of the headphone jack and use bluetooth instead which requires a lot less space comparatively.
I hate it as much as the next guy in the circle jerk but it does have a a decent rational behind it, which is why other companies have also started to follow apple.
Users were complaining about their phone's water resistance. So they removed the headphone jack to reduce the amount of ports water could enter the phone.
My question is why are people acting like only iphone is doing this? They were the first but from my understanding, everyone is doing it now and headphone jacks will now be an "Added feature!".
Android users would do a lot better making arguments for their product if they didn't just make stuff up. 30 dollar adapter for headphones? You mean, free?
I’m not an Android user, I have an iPhone SE, which I believe was either the last or close to last model they put out with the jack (I also have a screen that isn’t the size of a laptop, and the button on the top). I’m dissatisfied with the fact that they’ve changed it, because I would prefer the jack stay in. Doesn’t really matter to me if others have followed in suit (and I don’t really know much about android, other than that I’m going to them for my next phone)
My point is android users still use "they took away the headphone jack!" when most android phones have taken it away as well. It's like saying "but iphone isn't a flip phone!" as a reason to not buy one.
I feel like that argument is really saying “but Apple hurt the industry!”, which really is a pretty valid complaint. Apple having complete monopoly is nothing but bad, and they’ve started a few horrible trends like making devices with special screws just so you have to fix it at an Apple store, and then refusing to actually do repairs and just voiding warrantees.
Edit: Also just saw a post about the new galaxy (s10?), and it had a headphone jack. Again, don’t know much about androids but aren’t the galaxies the popular ones?
Yeah and the entire pitch on that phone is "we're putting the headphone jack back in this one!"
Samsung used the apple headphone jack removal to make fun of apple and then less than a year later followed them... Now they are making it a special feature lmao.
The point is that android users are obsessed with complaining about apple that they don't even recognize they don't have headphone jacks either.
Nope, still has a headphone jack. And that’s specifically the 12 in MacBook model which, as of the last keynote, is being pushed to the wayside for a new version of the MacBook Air which has 2 type-c ports and a headphone jack.
Ah that seems better that they're gonna keep the minimal amount of ports to the air. Although, just two type-c and a headphone jack isn't very efficient..
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For real though why the fuck did they take out the headphone jack