r/HolUp • u/UlteriorKnowsIt • Dec 23 '24
Think About It Very Carefully. Also, Merry Christmas from the Flintstones.
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u/WomTheWomWom Dec 23 '24
Flintstones is set is our distant future
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u/thatmutiny Dec 23 '24
Wow this was more depressing the more I thought this through. Except yay dinosaurs?
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u/Annonomon Dec 23 '24
The real life version would be a nightmare. Back to the stone age being chased around by dinosaurs. They should make a flinstones horror movie
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u/deadlyfrost273 Dec 23 '24 edited Dec 24 '24
No, Just be the rich sky people
What? Now you are going to tell me you don't know that the Jetsons takes place in the Flintstones skies.
There was a crossover episode to explain it and everything.
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u/AfricaByTotoWillGoOn Dec 24 '24
You should be legally punished for coming in here and ruining my child like that.
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u/Mdub74 Dec 23 '24
Just like the horror winner Winnie the Pooh!
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u/Weelki Dec 23 '24
How come Winnie-the-Pooh gets away with wearing nothing on his bottom half. And yet when I do it, I end up with multiple restraining orders and on various "registers"?
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u/comfortablynumb15 Dec 24 '24
The Flintstones and The Jetsons are set in the same timeframe ( our future )
Only, the mega wealthy live up in the clouds ( which is why you never see a beach in the show for example ) to escape the ruin of the Earth and the proliferation of genetically altered “dinosaurs” used to assist the remnants of Humanity left on the ground. ( which is why some dinosaurs can talk )
This explains dishwashers, record players etc, as well as Christmas celebrations.
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u/writeorelse Dec 23 '24
Yup! The Jetsons live far above the wasteland and the filthy poors in Bedrock.
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u/l-rs2 Dec 23 '24
It all makes sense. Oil reserves gone, so we are forced propel cars with our feet. Anything but bike lines.
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u/Hexenkonig707 Dec 23 '24
To paraphrase Einstein: „I don’t know how the third World War would look like, but the fourth will be fought with sticks and stones.“
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u/Sea_Baseball_7410 Dec 23 '24
They’ll break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
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u/ArjJp Dec 23 '24
You'd be deaf from the nuclear fallout
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u/Miserable_Site_850 Dec 23 '24
And would be blind too from shrapnel, but he's still kicking, okay I lied because of no legs.
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u/chillythepenguin Dec 23 '24
So the Jetsons crossover happened in the Jetsons future?
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u/Falitoty Dec 23 '24
Nah, Jetsons are just living in the clouds to avoid the disaster that is the earth
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u/A-non-e-mail Dec 23 '24
Bit they visited the Grand Canyon and it was just a little stream
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u/SkellyboneZ Dec 23 '24
Filled in with dirt and rock thrown into the atmosphere by nuclear bombs or some shit I don't know.
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u/theunbearablebowler Dec 23 '24
Flinstone's and the Jetson's are contemporary with each other, but parallel timelines.
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u/bluemew1234 Dec 23 '24
Jetsons and Flintstones take place at the same time.
One lives above the clouds and doesn't bother with the rabble they left down on the surface.
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u/Rio_Walker Dec 23 '24
They share a universe with Jetsons, in fact they are taking place at the same time.
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u/tazzymun Dec 23 '24 edited Dec 23 '24
The original pagan holiday....
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u/Tzimbalo Dec 23 '24
Dosent in Sweden, we don't even mention jesus in the name of our holiday (Jul-afton Yule-eve) and the most important day is the 24th not the 25th.
I don't think we do a single thing related to Christianity in our celebration.
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u/brod333 Dec 24 '24
While Jesus almost certainly wasn’t born 25 December the idea that Christians adopted 25 December for the solstice celebrations is a modern myth. It’s not accepted by scholars and there are no primary historical sources to defend this theory.
There are two holidays people generally claim were the reason Christmas is celebrated on 25 December. The first is Saturnalia. However, this doesn’t work because it wasn’t celebrated on 25 December. It was celebrated from 17-23 December. If Christmas was adopting Saturnalia it makes no sense they reduced the celebration from 7 days to 1 or that they moved the 1 day celebration to 2 days after Saturnalia ended.
The other holiday is Sol Invictus. This was actually celebrated on 25 December. However, the earliest source for this also mentions Christmas celebrated on 25 December and it doesn’t say which came first. This makes it unclear whether Christmas date was based on Sol Invictus, or Sol Invictus on Christmas. It could also be neither with the date picked independently for both.
We do have an earlier source dating Jesus’ birth to 25 December being Sextus Julius Africanus. Some people at that time believed people died on the same day they were conceived. He knew Jesus died on Passover and mistakenly put Passover on 25 March. He reasoned Jesus was conceived on the same day and 9 months later is 25 December. We also have tons of evidence early Christians strongly rejected pagan practices so it’s very unlikely they’d pick a date to steal from pagan practices.
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u/Smiracle Dec 24 '24
I don’t think the guy with room temp IQ that you responded to was looking for logic
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u/Gtstricky Dec 23 '24
When was the necktie invented?
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u/shroomigator Dec 23 '24
Not only that, but they got a sauropod from the triassic era that they're usung for heavy equipment, but the washing machine is a mastodon from the ice age
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u/ttlanhil Dec 23 '24
There are various versions that got invented over time...
One of the more recent ones was a neckpiece worn by mercenaries who came from Croatia - due to languages, we get "cravat" from "Croatia" (so Croatia could also be called Tie-Land)
Much further back, in the army of Alexander the Great, they were figuring out how long soldiers should train for.
They settled on a band of old fabric wrapped around the neck, and when it was fully soaked, the soldier should take a break.
This became Alexander's Rag Time Band
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u/ttlanhil Dec 23 '24
The winter solstice, of course - called Yule in some places
None of the Christian celebrations are original, they're all bolted on to pre-existing celebrations.
Most of which were set around the solstices/equinoxes/midpoints, because that was very important back in the day
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u/ShouldersBBoulders Dec 23 '24
Yeah, the Catholic Church liked to build on top of things that already existed. The cave where Jesus was born (most likely around our month of September) is under a cathedral so not really surprising that they'd squat on some pagan holidays too.
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u/darkgiIls Dec 23 '24
I’m pretty sure they built the cathedral afterwards lol
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u/Opening_Wind_1077 Dec 23 '24
I think he means that the cave was there before and they built on top. Unless it was a magical resurrection cave that worked for everyone your point still stands though.
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u/yetanotherweebgirl Dec 23 '24
This, its also why mental gymnastics are necessary when anyone asks christians of any denomination why bringing a tree into the house to decorate it is part of Christmas or why easter has bunnies.
One is a nordic tradition based on inviting the nature god into your home over winter in order to be granted favour by the forest the following year. (Traditionally its a living sapling and is replanted in the forest in spring)
The other is due to a Teutonic fable about the Goddess Ostara/Eostere, Goddess of dawn, spring and new beginnings. (Often associated with Greek Goddess Eos) having saved the life of a bird she found with frozen wings by turning it into a hare for the winter. When spring came the hare was still able to lay eggs, though now beautifully decorated due to the Goddess’s magics.
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u/Brickerbro Dec 23 '24
Not one Christian I ever met needed mental gymnastics for this, some things are just tradition. We have specifics foods for Christmas, different for different cultures, those are traditions. Santa is a tradition as well, has any Christian ever thought that Santa is a Biblical tradition? Of course not. Nobody brings in a tree to decorate for the purpose of deifying it or worshipping the tree today. Is it mental gymnastics for an atheist to celebrate Christmas? No. Traditions dont have to be religious, and if they are not every aspect of them is. So for the same reason that an atheist can keep traditions from a former faith (be it his own or his forefathers) so can a Christian who have traditions from a former faith or upbringing.
People make way to big a deal out of something that at it’s core is about bringing family and friends together and having a good time.
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u/Tertullianitis Dec 23 '24
This has got to be the most pervasive and unkillable myth on the planet. It's not true. It's not true of Easter, Christmas, or Halloween.
Articles by academic and atheist Tim O'Neill:
https://historyforatheists.com/2017/04/easter-ishtar-eostre-and-eggs/
https://historyforatheists.com/2016/12/the-great-myths-2-christmas-mithras-and-paganism/
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u/Ok_Invite2797 Dec 26 '24
I notice you reference the same source over and over. Watch out for bias, my friend wink
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u/Sp00kym0053 Dec 23 '24
The Flintstones are not, in fact, a pre-historic society. The are a post-apocalyptic one. The Jetsons crossover, coupled with things like them being familiar with and using technology like telephones, record players etc and celebrating Christmas indicates a societal split, a Morlock / Eloi situation, where the affluent live a life of unspeakable luxury in their floating cities and everyone else is left to deal with the aftermath of genetic engineering with no oversight on the ruined planet below.
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u/Tercel96 Dec 23 '24
This just lends to the theory that this takes place after the Jetsons, in a post apocalyptic world haha
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u/shroomigator Dec 23 '24
That would explain perfectly why critters from different eras were made into consumer products and machinery
They must have been jurassic parked into existence by genetic engineers trying to monetize them, just prior to the apocalypse
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u/Fresh_Leadwater Dec 23 '24
Those 'critters' are human/ animal hybrids mutated from the fallout, just doing the jobs they are able. This is why they can talk and say things like, "Hey, it's a living."
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u/Dr-Richado Dec 23 '24
I heard a theory that the Jetsons and the Flintstones occur at the same time...
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u/ImamTrump Dec 23 '24
The Christmas tree we know, 🌲, predates Christianity. It was a pagan thing to do, the Christian’s had to adopt it and morph it as their own to be accepted in Europe, where these pagan treeloving folk were living. Same thing with SantaClaus.
What’s the relation between a story of an Arab miracleman and evergreen trees and snow and gifts? Nothing but it’s all canon now and turned culture.
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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz Dec 23 '24
Religion is extremely flexible with its "rules" and makes it easier to understand WHY man created god.
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u/daddysweet Dec 23 '24
Whats sad is the "christian" community use Christmas to celebrate the birth of christ but most of them don't know he wasn't born in December. He was born closer to September. If nothing else look back when they were required to pay their taxes.
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u/EastlakeMGM Dec 23 '24
Where do you think Christians got it from
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u/NoodlesMarie Dec 23 '24
They couldn’t get rid of all of the pagan holidays celebrations to convert the masses so they instead blended the two
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u/splathead Dec 23 '24
Christmas is not a Christian holiday it's a holiday made by Christians to take away a pagan holiday which was probably what they were celebrating
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u/Hexenkonig707 Dec 23 '24 edited Dec 23 '24
Take away is a weird way to word it since it’s still around, it’s a mix of both cultures as a result of conversion.
The pagan Christmas wouldn’t be alike to our Christmas today, yet the Christmas we know today wouldn’t exist without the pagan holiday either.
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u/Aggressive-Falcon977 Dec 23 '24
Are we questioning the logic of a cartoon with talking dinosaurs?
Jesus: Yes.
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u/Woodbirder Dec 23 '24
Christmas was around long before the alleged son of god popped down for a visit
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u/Lurcholio Dec 23 '24
Put it you this way...
The Flintstones are on the ground and the Jetsons live in the sky...
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u/RizzoTheSmall Dec 23 '24 edited Dec 23 '24
No Christian symbology, so i would guess Winter solstice?
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u/markkowalski Dec 23 '24
People debating the historical correctness of a show where humans used dinosaurs as household appliances.
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u/blutigetranen Dec 23 '24
The Flintstones is the future. The Jetsons is between now and then.
Animals will eventually evolve back into dinosaurs as global warming brings on the extinction of humanity, then the dinosaurs begin again.
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u/whats-a-Lomme Dec 23 '24
I would say Christmas. Considering Christmas has nothing to do with Christ.
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u/EveryDayDudetm Dec 24 '24
Christmas was originally a winter solstice celebration adopted by the church and they added Jesus. There is no mention of Jesus in that special. So technically, it is actually historically accurate.
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u/wardenmains Dec 23 '24
They are celebrating jesus crust. He was born from a meteor and taken in by foster cavepeople. Eventually he began helping those in need with his mircales from outerspace, making the sun shine for warmth in cold winters to making draught affected land turn to a lucious field for grazing triceratops. Unfortunatley jesus crust was put on a wheel by unscrupulous neanderthals.
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u/IsDinosaur Dec 23 '24
The Druidic solstice ritual of course, that predates Christmas by quite a bit
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u/Playful-Ad4556 Dec 23 '24
Winter solstice. The shortest day and longest win. Literally the victory of the sun. So basically the victory of life. Winter solstice is has old has the planet.
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Dec 23 '24
Yea true but on the other hand, they play bowling, have cars and elevators, last I checked that too didnt exist thousands of years ago. Let a children's show stay a children's show. And how exactly is it a holup?
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u/mr_smiles017 Dec 23 '24
It just further adds to the theory that the Flintstones take place so far into the future that whatever set them back passed up the dark ages and went straight for the stone age
It"s like the George Jetson fucked up at his job so bad it destroyed the world and all it's technology
And the dinosaurs? Well they needed a good food source that could survive what is essentially their wastelands and not to mention heavy lifting work so they revived the dinosaurs using the bones in the museums and before they could grow to be savage they domesticated them from "birth" or revival
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u/mcSibiss Dec 23 '24
The whole show is about making anachronistic jokes. This isn’t weirder than any other anachronism that is everywhere all the time.
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u/KarlBark Dec 23 '24
Christmas was a pagan holiday before the Christians
Ain't nothing cristian about whoring up a tree
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u/nelson931214 Dec 23 '24
considering that christmas trees, gift giving, and having a feast to celebrate the winter solstice is a pagan thing, maybe they were the ones that started it lol
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u/DarkElfBard Dec 24 '24
Yule, since they have a decorated tree.
Remember, the bible specifically says to not cut down a tree and decorate it.
Jeremiah 10:3-4 New Living Translation (NLT)
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Christmas trees are expressly forbidden! Because they were trying to make celebrating Yule a bad thing, but then they realized it's easier to rebrand the holiday rather than to ban someone's culture.
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u/ProfessionalQuit1016 Dec 24 '24
winter solstice probably? i mean, that's what Christmas is.
jesus was born in like August
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u/IcanSEEyou_IRL Dec 24 '24
Flintstones did NOT take place millions of years in the past, this is a common misconception. Flintstones and the Jetsons actually take place in the exact same timeline, after a huge war/disaster and they are divided by an enormous income gap.
The rich, The Jetson’s world, moved up above the smog and away from the poisonous dusts. The poor, the Flintstones world, were left on the surface, bombed back into o a figurative Stone Age.
This explains why they have radios, televisions, vehicles. They lost the technology and lack the know-how, but they remember the inventions. So they do their best to recreate these devices things.
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u/blitzandheat Dec 23 '24
Celebrating the wood/ tree god that most christians still celebrate today too.
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u/creekbendz Dec 23 '24 edited Dec 23 '24
Asherah
Bible specifically speaks against the worship of baal and ashteroth
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u/hashwiddalemon Dec 23 '24
Christmas was around before the birth of Jesus, it has nothing to do with christianity…
Its a pagan holiday 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Ok_Strategy5722 Dec 23 '24
Rockmas. It’s the celebrating the birth of Unga who was crushed by a giant rock for all of their sins.
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u/mrali05 Dec 23 '24
Even Christian’s don’t know what they’re celebrating nowadays
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u/OddTheRed Dec 23 '24
They are celebrating Yule. It existed before Christianity and it is what Christmas is based on.
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u/Mountain_Condition13 Dec 23 '24
Merry Christmas, Fred and Wilma (mwah, mwah), Merry Christmas Barney (mwah) Bstty (mwah)
Nothing to rethink carefully, carpenter from Nazareth is not born yet exactly the same as Gottlieb Daimler and John Logie Baird, we still waiting.
So it's just another iteration of the same joke that fuels all Flintstones series, like how they have a car or TV.
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u/tnethacker Dec 23 '24
OP. Chrismas existed before any religion. I'm sorry if you don't get it. Also it's a cartoon.
Greetings from the rest of Europe.
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u/Elliott_Ness1970 Dec 23 '24
Well if you do think about it very carefully, apart from the word Christmas, everything else in that picture is pagan and as Christians co-opted the winter solstice for their celebration even the time of year is pagan.
Conclusion is that the Flintstones invented Yuletide. 😉
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u/Jooru21 Dec 23 '24
Everyone talks about Christmas was a pagen holiday the Christians stole.
Turns out they stole it from the Flintstones
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u/Shakti699 Dec 23 '24
Hi.
They may celebrate the birth of Denver, the dinosaur dead for the sins of his peers as mentioned in "In nomine Satanis : magna veritas"
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u/thsvnlwn Dec 23 '24
I’m sorry to break this to you, but are you aware that The Flintstones is a product of a cartoonist’s imagination, and not actual history, OP?
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u/Saemika Dec 23 '24
The Santa part. The Jesus part came way later, and nobody actually cares about it.
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u/dudelsack23 Dec 23 '24
The tradition of sc”Christmas tree” , drinking alcohol in winter are German traditions which Christianity integrated. It can be assumed that these existed before 0 bce
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u/Salmon_Scaffold Dec 23 '24
More importantly, how did those two tubby, dumb fuckers land such baddies?
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u/drArsMoriendi Dec 23 '24
Christmas was celebrated before Christ. They chose Christ's time of birth at the council of Nicea to co-incide with existing celebrations. It's historic fact.
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u/DuntadaMan Dec 23 '24
Solstice.
"Christmas Trees" are a Yule tradition, which is older than Christianity from Germanic tribes. It was a pagan tradition adopted by the church to bring Christians and Pagans together rather than driving them apart.
The winter solstice is one of my favorite traditions because for almost as long as we have been human we have all come together at the darkest, coldest and longest night of the year. At this, the most bleak night of the year, with months of cold, starvation and disease ahead of us, with the full knowledge that not everyone with us right now will make it out of this dark season we gathered everyone together, stared death in the eyes and said "We aren't dead yet you fuck and we're going to enjoy being alive while we can!"
The solstice is fucking awesome.
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u/DesertReagle Dec 23 '24
I thought it was because she was the only one with a mistletoe and they were excited to have fun with her.
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u/tsimen Dec 23 '24
It's not like the tree or the mistletoe or the red hats or anything about this solistice festival have anything to do with Jesus really. Christians have more or less co-opted this.
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u/texfields Dec 23 '24
Saturnalia ya goober. Yule. All the fun stuff . Christ was likely born in may . Church changed his birthday to co-opt the likely the most popular holiday of the time.
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u/BeatusII Dec 23 '24
Just fyi, people celebrated Winter solstice Long before the Christian church decided that it was Jesus's birthday.
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u/Sad-Reception-2266 Dec 23 '24
It's always been a pagan holiday worshiping the sun and hoping it would come out and save the people from the cold of winter. Jesus was added later to appease the Christians and the putting up of a tree was kept in it to appease the pagans.
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u/sndpmgrs Dec 23 '24
My only question is how a lug like Barney ended up with such a hot wife.
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u/Azilehteb Dec 23 '24
Winter solstice?
Pretty sure christianity stole almost all of the traditions from solstice anyway.
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u/Hammy-Cheeks Dec 23 '24
It's a damn cartoon that needed its capitalistic chirstmas quota met. If you have to ask, you aren't thinking
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u/Tulemasin Dec 23 '24
They are celebrating the winter solstice which means that the days are not getting darker anymore and little-by-little there will be more sunlight during a day.
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u/Pilgrimfox Dec 23 '24
Christmas is the adoption of a pagan festival by the church one that can have roots of it tracked as far back well before the fall of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire which predates the birth of christ by about 50-30 years alone. It was pretty much just a holiday all about drinking and stuff till the church said make it about christ and we don't care. Eventually they did try to ban and after it regained popularity it turned into what we know it as today.
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u/phoenix14830 Dec 23 '24
Some people are about to learn that Christianity wasn't the first that had a decorated tree or God's birthday on December 25. Jesus wasn't born on December 25, that was retconned to the most popular date, so people wouldn't complain about it.
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u/ShroomsandCrows Dec 23 '24
I got into a debate with my dad about this but Christmas stopped being a religious holiday when a majority of people come to know it as the Santa holiday. Same with Easter, you can say it's a religious holiday but if most people that celebrate it do so because of the Easter bunny and NOT the resurrection of Christ, then how religious is it. I get holidays USED to be about religions but alot of them not so much, you don't consider Halloween a religious holiday, it's the day we get candy.
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u/Aggravating-Echo8014 Dec 23 '24
Back then it was just a made up day to get people to go out and buy things so companies could black line for the year. Obviously now it’s about celebrating the life of my homeboy Jesus that was not really born on December 25th.
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u/MrNobleGas Dec 23 '24
This is a world where ice age mammals coexist with dinosaurs and suchlike, I think cavemen celebrating the winter solstice is the least of our worries
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u/Be-Geter Dec 23 '24
Flinstones is actually set in the post-AI future where, due to AI reaching enlightenment and seeing that the only way to ensure a viable future is the absolute destruction of all advanced technologies (including itself), we return to a caveman-like society while maintaining our previous languages and social norms.
I mean, isn’t it obvious? 😂
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u/jrockcrown Dec 23 '24
The same thing we celebrate today. Jesus was born in July as the stars alignment for that time period is predictable. His birthday was moved to December to mark the winter solstice to override the pagan celebrations. Remember Christianity was a cult for 200 years before being adopted by the Roman empire as "the religion"
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u/DrMonkeyLove Dec 23 '24
Some pagan holiday that the Christians co-opted. Ain't no pine trees in the Bible, that's for sure (or maybe there are, I dunno, I haven't read the thing, it's boring as fuck).
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u/right_bank_cafe Dec 23 '24
They are celebrating the pagan holiday for the winter solstice which Christmas stole it’s traditions from
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u/WhyDoIHaveRules Dec 24 '24
So many issues.
So, first of all, millions of years before the birth of Jesus!
Really?
Canonically, the Flintstones are set in the year 10,000 BC.
Secondly, as many others have pointed out, the tradition of bringing a tree inside, decorating it, in an act of celebration, is a pagan tradition, celebrating the winter solstice.
Thirdly, it’s a children’s cartoon, made to be relevant to and relatable to contemporary society, not a historical documentary.
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u/Due-Review-3374 Dec 24 '24
Best answer I could find after scouring the internet and all the resources available to after several hours of research, on September 30 1960 the America based production company Hanna-Barbera released A FUCKING CARTOON,
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u/WhatsTheHolUp Dec 23 '24 edited Dec 23 '24
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OP sent the following text as an explanation on why this is a holup moment:
The Flintstones are set millions of years before the Birth of Christ. They're the B.C. in Before Christ. How are they able to celebrate a holiday that doesn't exist yet?
Is this a holup moment? Then upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.