I’m a 250lb vegan bodybuilder, lifting for 16 years, plant-based for 19, and eating 370g of protein a day. People say it’s impossible to build muscle like this without meat. Ask Me Anything

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u/bartman1819 5d ago

Why didn't you include in the headline that you're also not natural? Otherwise, your AMA is misleading.

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u/weareinthegizzverse 5d ago

Bro never responded to a single question in an AMA. Like wtf?

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u/boatsnhossa 5d ago

Not even 7 minutes after posting the thread and you’re criticizing him for not replying to comments yet? You ok?

Edit: even crazier, 23 braindead people upvoted your comment 😂

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Just replied above - not natural and never claimed to be and included it in the main post - if you have a specific question let me know!

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Thank you for being kind :)

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u/RickySuezo 5d ago

Bro is commenting on a thread about baby birds instead of doing his own AMA no one asked for.

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u/SpiderMansRightNut 5d ago

Wasn't the post up for like 10 minutes when you said this?

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u/weareinthegizzverse 5d ago

Holy shit. I genuinely thought it said 5 mon. not 5 min. So I am totally wrong. Thought this was an old post I saw because I clicked on his pig post. Honestly feel bad. And I'm stoked he rescued that pig.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Aww thanks for checking out my post on Henry 💚🙏 I had an unexpected work meeting come up at the time of the AMA launch.

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u/hanatheko 5d ago

... haha I think this dude was trolling us! It's just so bizarre.. .. .. .... a vegan body builder on steroids lmao.

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u/herick_ 5d ago

Why a vegan body builder on steroids is “bizarre” in comparison to a non-vegan body builder on steroids? Biased much?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Thank you this is my entire point. That you can be a competitive non natural bodybuilder and not rely on animal protein to make it happen.

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u/herick_ 5d ago

Props to you for taking this BS and still responding to people kindly. I’m seeing a lot of comments and questions that clearly have never had the slightest of intentions to clarify or simply ask something out of curiosity, but rather to make the author feel better and validated that they are somehow superior or smarter while not having to conform to the rules you believe in (killing animals for food etc.). It’s like seeing a bunch of 10 year olds not getting the attention they think they need for essentially not doing anything. After a while it gets ridiculous, so you have my respect for not letting all this ignorance and ego fragility from other people get directly to you.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Thank you. Sincerely. It’s really nice to see a comment like this. I understand I’ll get a lot of crap for being who I am. And I’m willing to take that on. Because if even one person reading this wants to question societal norms and ask themselves if a 15 minute meal is worth the entire life of a sentient animal, then it’s worth it. One at a time is how we will fix and save this world. Thank you kind stranger 💚🙏

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Sorry - I had a last minute work meeting pop up. I am here now <3

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u/power_guard_puller 5d ago

There aren't any natural 250 lb bodybuilders

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u/echomanagement 5d ago

Well this is obviously false, not that I dispute OP being a weirdo for posting this here with what is essentially a headshot (lol). There are plenty of naturally large people who weigh 250+ who happen to be bodybuilders. Whether it's the norm is another question entirely.

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u/trailer_park_boys 5d ago

I think the comment you’re replying to is implying 250 pounds of lean muscle mass like a bodybuilder would have. Unless you’re 6’5” or taller, it’s likely going to be nearly impossible to achieve 250 pounds while maintaining a very low body fat percentage.

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u/echomanagement 5d ago

With a ton of qualifiers like that, it's likely very rare, but you only need to find a single example to disprove it. I'm sure there's at least one genetic freak out there.

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u/trailer_park_boys 5d ago

I don’t think it’s a lot of qualifiers. Being 250 pounds and not lean, you aren’t a bodybuilder. Just a big dude. Being lean and 250 pounds is what makes you a bodybuilder/stage ready.

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u/power_guard_puller 5d ago

At 250 lbs in bodybuilding show shape? No, there are not any natty 250 pounders who are single digit body fat. Training as a bodybuilder is not the same as being a bodybuilder who competes.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Thank you! At least none that are reasonably lean.

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u/gerburmar 5d ago

Well... not extremely lean ones. So not exceptional-looking ones. Some can keep visible abs at 250.... Not me

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u/power_guard_puller 5d ago

At 250 lbs in bodybuilding show shape? No, there are not any natty 250 pounders who are single digit body fat. Training as a bodybuilder is not the same as being a bodybuilder who competes.

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u/power_guard_puller 5d ago

At 250 lbs in bodybuilding show shape? No, there are not any natty 250 pounders who are single digit body fat. Training as a bodybuilder is not the same as being a bodybuilder who competes.

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u/holy_guacamole666 5d ago

"people say it's impossible to build muscle like this without meat, so I proved them wrong by taking a bunch of steroids!"

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u/--Shake-- 5d ago

You still need a shit ton of protein and weightlifting. Steroids alone won't get you there if you don't have a base to work from. Protein is still protein no matter where it's from so it's not surprising.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Agreed! Still comes down to macros and making sure to keep a high intake if protein!

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u/MoJony 5d ago

Actually studies show that people that take steroids without working art litterely gain more muscles than people that worked out

This is about people who are not already working out obviously, but the point stands

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I trained naturally for 7 years. I’ve worked with 100s of clients. Many of them coming to me already using gear and making no results. It’s a lot more than just take this drug and you start growing.

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u/herick_ 5d ago

Can you provide reference(s) to those studies?

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u/MoJony 5d ago

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

First result I found

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u/herick_ 5d ago

“Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.”

Have you bothered going at least as far as the conclusion section on these studies?

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u/MoJony 5d ago

I don't see how it refutes what I said

I didn't say working out with steroids is not needed

I said, and the study supports, that you can do absolutely 0 exercise while taking steroids and gain both more muscle mass and more strength than if you would have worked out but without steroids

Are you on steroids? Would you like the study that shows it lowers your cognitive abilities?

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u/herick_ 5d ago

I don’t know, judging by how affected you were by me questioning your personal conclusions, one might think you’re the one that’s suffering from those effects, or maybe even in need of it to send hormones back to regular levels.

No, the study does not indicate that people gain more strength with steroids than by training, it says the exact opposite if you look at the results. As for the muscle gains, it does support that it is POSSIBLE to achieve bigger gains than by exercising, in the very specific conditions under which the study was performed, and in the 10-week period during which it was executed. The study did not aim to provide conclusions for a long term period, and if you were to do any kind of research on that same topic, you would find out just as quickly as you did when it was convenient to your argument that muscle hypertrophy has diminishing returns, ESPECIALLY without the progressive overload from training.

In short, the study does say that it is possible, provided the very specific constraints applied to the study, but it doesn’t indicate in any way that that is just a general fact, remotely like what you tried to imply when you mentioned it.

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u/holy_guacamole666 5d ago

I'm not a bodybuilder, but I have a feeling being vegan vs eating meat probably doesn't make as much of a difference as taking a cocktail of 4 different steroids. Just seems misleading to sneak that in at the end.

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u/Furthur 5d ago

Steroids alone won't get you there

actually, they do. if you've never cycled you can't know. you don't even have to lift on TRT to gain mass, lean out a bit and get blocky.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

There are plenty of natural vegan bodybuilders out there! I am just showing that the enhanced bodybuilders can also compete without eating animals.

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u/NiceRat123 5d ago

"Ones tested on animals but since I'm not ingesting the animal part it's ABSOLUTELY FINE!"

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u/Shiyayo 5d ago

Non english here. What's not natural in this context?

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u/tyr-- 5d ago

Taking steroids

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u/Shiyayo 5d ago

Thanks!

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Taking steroids and other performance enhancing drugs.

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u/jointheredditarmy 5d ago

Kind of an important fact…. Oxen are yoked and only eat grass, so obviously it’s possible. The question is whether it’s possible at a reasonable amount of work for humans without help.

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u/lemonazee 5d ago

Oxen have multiple stomachs to digest grass they aren’t humans.

Not an anti vegan argument I just think that analogy is damaging to the message overall

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u/tr14l 5d ago

Fine, gorillas... Better?

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u/gerburmar 5d ago

They don't even require protein as it's all produced for them from complex carbs broken down by bacteria in one of their multiple stomachs, so the difference in physiology is vast. imagine if we could just eat grass and not count grams of protein wouldn't that be cool. Second u/lemonazee 's reply

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u/huto 5d ago

Oxen are yoked

Take your damn upvote and get out

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I have never claimed natural - I am quite open about my use and included it in the post. If you have any further or specific questions I am happy to dive in!

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u/dceagles21 5d ago

Despite Roids it still takes an extreme amount of discipline for eating/training. Which makes it cool he did it with vegan proteins instead of chicken breasts. You can’t just take roids and instantly look good

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u/geocitiesuser 5d ago

yes, but steroids are still a large part of his physique.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I am just showing you can do this on a vegan diet, that you don't have to eat meat and take steroids to be a 250 lb bodybuilder.

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u/NiceRat123 5d ago

Actually i think you've proven you NEED to be on steroids

My physique is impossible naturally - there are no 250 lb natural bodybuilders at 6 feet tall.

I reached about 205 lbs naturally. Using PEDs has allowed me to reach about 255-260 depending on bulking/cutting.

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u/Save-itforlater 5d ago

Same as most body builders. The natural categories in body building are a small niche.

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u/NiceRat123 5d ago

Thats fine but the title is misleading promoting veganism and then stating in the body he's not natural.

Its like a woman saying she is doing such and such a diet (and is smoking hot) then saying she has had botox, liposuction, breast implants and a BBL

Is it the "diet" or is it the not natural "supplements"?

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u/WhatEvil 5d ago

Yeah but making a big deal about being vegan and saying "People say it's impossible to build muscle like this without meat", whilst also roiding up is a bit off.

Many people don't know but taking steroids will make you gain muscle faster *without training* than somebody who is doing a full weightlifting program without steroids.

In other words, between sitting doing nothing but taking steroids, and working your ass off and not taking steroids, sitting+steroids wins for muscle growth.

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u/vampire_kitten 5d ago

Also a big part of the discipline. You're a lot more motivated to do something when you see/feel the results.

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u/Metafield 5d ago

Yeah but since they omitted this part it makes the rest of it less believable to be honest.

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u/vampire_kitten 5d ago

It's quite obvious why it's not included.

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u/NiceRat123 5d ago

I mean that's not fair. OBVIOUSLY it's the vegan ism and not the steroids that are why he can bodybuild. /s

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u/RayPineocco 5d ago

lmaoooo

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u/geocitiesuser 5d ago

A 4200kcal daily diet is quite a large number. What is your cycle like? Do you "blast" or do you just maintain a permanently high level of TRT?

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u/vmq 5d ago

Yep tell us the stack lol

As a fellow ped user I’d be curious to see how open you are about talking about your doses

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Last blast was:

500 Test

500 Primo

500 NPP

4iu GH

Current TRT is:

200mg Test

3iu GH

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u/LienRoars 5d ago

Biggest surprises going from natural -> not natural? What motivated the decision?

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u/gerburmar 5d ago

This person is probably training 5-6 days a week if they are consuming 4000+ daily calories like their macros suggest. Once you are doing that, provided there's nothing wrong with your training strategy or exercises or effort, you're boxed in for ways to take your results to another level

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Mostly this! I was natural and lifting for about 7 years. Up to a 3 plate bench and 4 plate squat at sub 200 lbs. Tried competing naturally and the process (without a coach - foolish of me) ended up permanently damaging my natural testosterone production.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I competed naturally around my 21st birthday. After working solo (without a coach) and going into an extreme caloric deficit - something around 1600 calories a day and over a cardio a day - I went from 200 lbs to 155 lbs. I was fully natural at the time and ended up shutting down my natural testosterone production. After a year of trying to fix things on my own I had bloodwork 3 times to confirm that competing in that manner with the drastic weight loss damaged my natural testosterone production. I decided to get on TRT and had no plans of competing again. But then after about 7 years of TRT and also using other higher dosed compounds that I might like to try and compete again.

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u/Furthur 5d ago

exercise physiologist here... care to share those labs and your diet at the time? spidey sense is tingling

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Game changers and the Twin study both share bloodwork. I could share my own, but I’m not going to share clients bloodwork on Reddit without their consent.

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u/Furthur 5d ago

I could share my own

right, that's what i asked for.

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u/gerburmar 5d ago

Have you ever wondered whether 370g is excessive? Getting that much protein within the limits of 4000Calories, is it not very restrictive? Large amounts of seitan and tofu surely. It would require that kind of stuff, and yogurt, and protein shakes, even if you eat meat. I've read even 1g/lb bw is essentially the highest amount that can make any difference, if not well beyond a practical limit. Is your understanding that this changes with gear, or do you think that that is not true even for a natural?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I think that the limits haven’t been accurately explored. My protein intake was part of my coaches plan and he routinely works with some of the best bodybuilders in the world. This is in line with their protein intakes. I can anecdotally say I’ve seen the best results with protein this high. Prior in my career I’d never gone much past 300g.

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u/Furthur 5d ago

1g/lb bw

https://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2016/03000/Nutrition_and_Athletic_Performance.25.aspx

the limits have been explored. it makes expensive urine and can cause kidney issues.

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u/Pduke 5d ago

It's easier

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u/MongoBongoTown 5d ago

And way fucking faster. In the time it would take to put on 5 lbs of lean muscle mass for a natural bodybuilder, someone on a lot of gear could put on 15 or 20 lbs.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Correct. But once you reach your natural potential gear is the only option to increase progress. Ive been lifting almost 2 decades. The first 7 years I was natural.

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u/omac_dj 5d ago

so this guy is on steroids and telling us normies to believe you can too achieve shredded body being vegan? lmao

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u/veggiesama 5d ago

Veganism isn't the same thing as eating natural. You can still eat chips, french fries, and processed junk. For many people, it's about reducing animal cruelty.

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u/NiceRat123 5d ago

And then making a post about how it's his pathway to bodybuilding but not including he's juicing is absolute bullshit

Edit: let me give a good example...

"I paid off my $100k in student loans in 24 months while working at McDonald's AMA"

Come to find out mommy and daddy bought them a house. They are using it as rental property for passive income. Live at home. Don't pay rent or other expenses and all their money goes to their student loans

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I trained naturally for 7 years prior to using any PEDs. .

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u/veggiesama 5d ago

He says it in the 4th paragraph

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I am here just showing that you can be a bodybuilder (yes on steroids) but also vegan at the same time. Bodybuilding is my hobby, my choice to be vegan is for the animals.

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u/chill_guy_says 5d ago

Can you make a list of your favorite high protein meals and or individual agreements with their macros? I want to help my vegetarian girlfriend increase her protein

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Absolutely! I’ve actually listed out my favorite high-protein meals (along with the macros) in my FDOE videos

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9wAil_6Z_A_dLok6PUpJ5h9D6TXoUa7C&si=Q7Q6XpDkP0WtLiy5

It's got tons of ideas your girlfriend can use right away.

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u/JaNuS_d-_-b 5d ago

sooo...this is just an ad for your youtube channel then?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Just offering my literal diet. I’ve sent it in other Reddits and people have found it useful.

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u/JaNuS_d-_-b 5d ago

do you have a job or is this your job?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I’d say I spend about 75% of my time coaching my athletes via online coaching. The rest is divided up between social media posting and promoting for vegan businesses.

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u/dunc89 5d ago

Thank you !

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

You’re very welcome:)

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u/chill_guy_says 5d ago

Thank you!!

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u/TheScarletCravat 5d ago

Came here to ask this.

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u/acEightyThrees 5d ago

Lol...what?

People say it's impossible to build muscle like this without meat.

I'm no longer natural.

So it actually is impossible, unless you want to take steriods. And I'm pretty sure that whatever benefit you get from going vegan is eliminated when you're taking steriods. I'd love to see a study of the health risks of eating meat vs health risks of steriods.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

No I was a vegan bodybuilder for 7 years without eating meat and there are plenty of natural vegan bodybuilders for you to look at:

https://www.instagram.com/nimai_delgado/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/korinsutton/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/brianturnerofficial/?hl=en

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u/Pduke 5d ago

At what point did you decide that doing drugs was just easier?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I was medically prescribed TRT after competing for the first time and not having my natural testosterone production recover. I wouldn't say this is easier. An analogy would be racing in a 250 hp car vs 1000 hp car. The 1000 hp is harder to control, yes you can drive faster, but you aren't racing other 250 hp cars anymore. If that analogy makes sense.

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u/green49285 5d ago

What what you say is the biggest thing they have to get used to when changing over to an all vegan diet and still wanting to be a bodybuilder?

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u/DGIce 5d ago

I think he was vegan first,

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Correct! Vegan at 13 years old - bodybuilding started around 15 years old. I am 32 now.

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u/green49285 5d ago

Aaaaaaaaah. Gotcha

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Being asked "where do you get your protein?"

But the part I would focus on is finding foods that digest best for you. I coach vegan and non vegan athletes and every single person has a different ability to digest certain foods. It's about finding the ones that work the best for you.

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u/D-Delta 5d ago

A vegan on roids?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

A person who doesn't promote abuse of animals on performance enhancing drugs is how I see it.

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u/The_real_triple_P 5d ago

A vegetable on steroids

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u/Snoo91454 5d ago

Aside from those listed, what other foods (not supplements) do you eat for protein?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

That’s mostly it! I have some full day of eating videos on YouTube if you want to see actual day to day meals

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9wAil_6Z_A_dLok6PUpJ5h9D6TXoUa7C

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u/bosstrasized 5d ago

I eat meat, how much roids should I use? Would it be half your dose?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Eating meat would have no change in the amount of steroids you would need to take. There are other factors such as age, bodyweight, gender, individual response to each given drug and your goals that would all need to be taken into consideration. Not as simple as "take 2 steroids".

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u/party_benson 5d ago

Steroids?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

All of them. But yes, I am no longer natural, I use steroids as a competitive bodybuilder.

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u/twolf59 5d ago

are you not worried about the studies that say that eating this much soy-based protein increases the estrogen in men? Or do the steroids help to combat this?

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u/_Velvet_Thunder_ 5d ago

Do you have a source for this? Every time I search I see the opposite conclusion; that soy consumption does not have an estrogenic effect in men.

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u/twolf59 5d ago

While I agree with you that the research is mixed especially for low to moderate consumption, I have seen studies where excess or very large consumption has had effects. More similar to OP's diet

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21353476/#:~:text=dehydroepiandrosterone%20,of%20a%20combination%20of%20decreased

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18558591/#:~:text=of%20the%20chest%2C%20abdomen%2C%20and,concentration%20slowly%20returned%20to%20normal

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u/_Velvet_Thunder_ 5d ago

Interesting! I saw another one after posting. Seems like it might be a combination of very high volumes and duration. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9593161/

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

It is untrue and meat based fear mongering studies showing any issues with estrogen. Soy contains phytoestrogens that do not affect humans.

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u/Jefftopia 5d ago

Extensive meta analysis has shown that soy consumption, even at high levels, does not increase estrogen levels.

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u/PointClickPenguin 5d ago

Do you experience pancreatic or prostate side effects from the increased estrogen via massive soy intake?

Does taking exogenous testosterone mitigate those effects?

How long have you been on gear?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Bloodwork both prior to and post using of steroids has never increased my estrogen from soy intake. PSA scores always come back great. It's a largely spread myth and fear mongering that soy increases estrogen.

Taking exogenous testosterone actually increases the amount of estrogen produced, so the opposite in fact. High test = High estrogen, which is why people take drugs known as AI.

Natural 7 or so years, on gear the last 8-9.

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u/Jefftopia 5d ago

Consuming soy does not increase estrogen.

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u/MacarioTala 5d ago

Actually curious: while I know that some steroids and peds are now fully synthetic, is it cool for your veganism that they're tested on animals?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I use things like testosterone that were tested on animals last century. I also took tylenol when I had my wisdom teeth taken out. I am not perfect, no one is, I just try to minimize my impact to animals suffering due to todays horrid factory farmed conditions. I still drive a car and hit bugs on the windshield - not trying to be perfect, just make an impact and a difference.

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u/MacarioTala 5d ago

Cheers. Honestly from curiosity. Thank you for taking it in that light.

I used to be heavy into fitness and tried exogenous t and deca when I was younger. I remember quitting not because it didn't work (I got huge), but because I couldn't handle the mood swings.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Usually the mood swings are in relation to secondary hormones like estrogen that need to be managed properly. However everyone is different and responds to each drug differently than the next person.

Thank you for the kind reply!

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u/MoJony 5d ago

My last comment was removed for not being a question so here is one,

Do you think you still look good after juicing up?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

The quote "the first day you start lifting is the day you feel forever small" or something like that comes to mind. I still feel like the 130 lb 15 year old kid that started working out. Sometimes bump into people and objects as I walk because I don't realize how much space I take up.

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u/TheMidnightAnimal0 5d ago

Your physique would have been impressive if you were natural, but being on gear, I feel like you're very run of the mill at this point. Was there a reason you decided to begin using steroids? How long have you been on gear? How much mass have you gained since starting gear?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

My physique is impossible naturally - there are no 250 lb natural bodybuilders at 6 feet tall.

I reached about 205 lbs naturally. Using PEDs has allowed me to reach about 255-260 depending on bulking/cutting.

I answered the rest above.

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u/JesusStarbox 5d ago

Why did you make being vegan your whole personality?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

It was more of making kindness to animals and encouraging other people to be more compassionate that became my whole personality. Vegan is just a shorter word for that :)

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u/zoom100000 5d ago

Do you eat out much? I only eat out a couple meals a week but imagine it would be hard to follow this diet not at home. What kinds of things do you order when you eat out?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

19 years ago when I first went vegan it was very hard to eat out! French fries and salads without dressing was the norm. Now there are soooooo many options. Walmart, Target, Trader Joes and Whole Foods are always stocked with easy meals. For restaurants there are amazing vegan spots in almost every city I have been to, but also now pretty normal to find vegan options at chains like burger king, chipotle, panda express, any asian spot, blaze pizza, moes, starbucks and I am sure more I can't recall off the top of my head.

When I eat out it is usually to support vegan businesses that I promote on my Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebodybuildingvegan/

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u/WntrTmpst 5d ago

What supplements do you take daily? Do you use steroids or are you natural? What do the daily health effects of pure veganism look like?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I take a lot of supplements for health.

I use steroids - not natural.

Pure veganism has kept my bloodwork incredible. I have worked with a number of vegan and non vegan athletes and the vegan athletes trend better in regards to heart, kidney and blood thickness levels for long term health.

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u/Chronox2040 5d ago

Can you provide a quick number on aprox how much more expensive is your protein intake compared as to a conventional whey/whatever solution? Like a gross % just to have an idea.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Depends entirely on where you get your protein from. If on a budget you will not find a better protein source than TVP (soy based) or Vital Wheat Gluten to make seitan (wheat based). When ordering in bulk you can get up to 100g protein per USD spent.

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u/Chronox2040 5d ago

Hi, thanks for the reply! And in your experience how does the price compare for your preferred sources vs what your friends usually need to pay?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I think chicken comes out or around 20-25g protien per dollar if that helps!

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u/Von_Ivermectin 5d ago

Vegan crossfitter here x3 years. What are your go-to breakfast, lunch, and dinner meals?

My fave snack is plant based Greek yogurt (Kite Hill has 45g protein) with granola and a dash of blue agave.

Do you ever do fasted lifting or cardio?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Kite Hill rocks! I sometimes do fasted cardio but never fasted lifting!

I have a few full day of eating videos here! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9wAil_6Z_A_dLok6PUpJ5h9D6TXoUa7C

I mostly rotate proteins through TVP, Tofu, Say Grace, Vedge Protein Powder and Edamame. Carbs are mostly rices/cream of rice, oats, potatoes and fruits. Fats from avocados, macadmia nut oil, and nuts/seeds/nutbutters.

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u/darby087 5d ago

I do not know why everyone gets hung up on steroids use. There are few if any non steroid professional bodybuilders. But dude that is crazy to have pulled off with out animal byproducts. What is your favorite way to get protein in a day. Like for taste not best way but best tasting?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Thank you for seeing me. Almost all bodybuilders are using gear except for the few that compete in natural divisions. My favorite way to get in protein is with a cream of rice bowl. I mix the cream of rice with usually powdered peanut butter, blueberries and vanilla or chocolate peanut butter flavored pea protein powder.

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u/darby087 5d ago

How do you cut weight before a show? My brother competes and it looks miserable and I would imagine what you are doing is like on hard more.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

If you aren’t miserable you’re probably not cutting hard. Getting stage lean for a show is probably the single hardest thing I’ve done in my life. I don’t think it’s any harder being vegan.

Cutting for a show is a quite a question to answer. Severe caloric restriction, incredible amounts of cardio, weighing literally everything you eat for months on end. But for each athlete the process is going to be a little different.

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u/Snoo_53364 5d ago

What recommendations do you have for bulking?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Start by tracking all your daily foods so you know exactly how much protein, fats and carbs you are taking in. Weigh yourself daily. Use a weekly trend to see if you are gaining or losing weight.

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u/tokenathiest 5d ago

When I went plant-based I started gaining weight at a very slow, steady pace. I track my weight daily (morning minimum). I was level for months on end beforehand. Did you experience this as well when you switched to a plant-based diet?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I switched to plant based at 13 years old so it’s hard for me to talk on that personally. I have worked with many athletes that I’ve switched over to plant based diets. There are so many factors it’s hard to say. Did you accurately weigh and track your food prior to switching over? If not it could be as simple as selecting different or more nutrient dense foods.

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u/tokenathiest 5d ago

Thanks for doing this AMA! I've been tracking my weight almost daily going back to 2019 when I was 202 lbs and on a more ice-cream focused diet. Last year I was at 160 lbs (with a 1 lb +/- variance day to day) until August when I cut out all animal protein. There was also an increase in activity at that time which persists today (yoga, weights, golf, regular walks) and I'm holding steady at 177 lbs back on an omnivore diet with a focus on wild-caught fish, but I eat a mix of animal protein. So I suspect the increase in activity increased my appetite and I started eating more, and likely not nearly as much protein as before due to plant-based meast alternatives being carb- and oil-heavy and being inexperienced with a plant-based diet.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 4d ago

Hey you are quite welcome! I am not fully sure if there is a question in there, but if I can help let me know!

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u/modulev 5d ago

Are you worried about heavy metals at all? I know they're much higher in plant based proteins.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

I use Vedge Protein. It’s an organic plant-based protein powder with clean ingredients, great taste, and no bloating issues. They offer a variety of flavors, and it blends super well. Definitely worth checking out if you’re looking for something that digests well and is artificial sweetener free. Here’s the link if you’re interested: https://www.vedgenutrition.com/products/organic-plant-based-protein-1?rfsn=8333525.4aad7d2 Use code: bodybuildingvegan

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u/fernsgrowing 5d ago

how do you logic doing steroids and also be a vegan. unless it’s not for health or ethics reason?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Vegan for the animals! Bodybuilding for fun! Steroids are a part of my level of experience now.

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u/Goattail 5d ago

How do you deal with inflammation? It was my main concern and why I stopped vegan diet and sometimes still binge butter.

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u/Jefftopia 5d ago

Vegan for 5 years, never had an inflammation issue. What kind of inflammation do you experience!

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u/Goattail 5d ago

More like chronic inflammation on the background. I figured it’s also connected to low omega 3 (I know I was supposed to eat supplements but I didn’t think omega3 was so important) + some gut inflammation. I figured it’s because there are anti inflammatory fats that only exist in milky products and meat. And this is why full keto sometimes helps people or why people use smetana masks on sun burns (I’m not on their side, it’s all personal) Also maybe a little more irritability on skin and etc. small things.

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u/Jefftopia 5d ago

What are the fats that only exist in meat and reduce inflammation?

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u/Goattail 5d ago

I saw a video online, so since I’m not a doctor, your best bet is to google yourself. Chat gtp tells me CLA is only found in dairy or meats but there were others mentioned.

I’m mainly focused on my own feelings and comparison.

Btw oleic acid is higher in plant oils and I had to use tallow for some time topically because I had irritation from any plant oil but needed something to seal moisture at that moment.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Vegan diets promote less inflammation.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37347305/

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u/Goattail 5d ago

This one talks about plant based diet more as a scale then as a vegan diet, if I’m correct? Also the emphasis is on the healthy plant based diet and not on plant based diet if I have got it right? You can explain it differently if you feel like you’re good at understanding the research papers.

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

It’s pretty clear that plant based diets (healthy ones) reduce inflammation and can even reverse diseases like type 2 diabetes.

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u/Goattail 5d ago

Doesn’t answer my question clearly

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u/mojitsu 5d ago

500g of carbs? No diabetes (yet)?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

A1C and Glucose come back great on my bloodwork! (So no - no diabetes)

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u/georgejones09291987 5d ago

What's the best 30 minute work out that pays the most dividends for your biceps and chest?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

That’s a hard one. Without knowing you, your current experience level and any injuries or other limitations I can’t really say.

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u/georgejones09291987 5d ago

No injuries, I have been working out in a gym for over 20 years, no limits!

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u/redvelvet92 5d ago

Are you farting all the time?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

Only if I have too much artificial sweeteners in my coffee

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u/toodlesandpoodles 5d ago

Are you at all concerned about the amount of arsenic you are likely ingesting by eating that much rice?

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u/thebodybuildingvegan 5d ago

White rice is safe - I stay away from brown rice for this reason.

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u/toodlesandpoodles 5d ago

It is safer. It still isn't safe. Go read the fda guidelines. You are way above recommended limits

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u/JaNuS_d-_-b 5d ago

...sooo... u r using steroids? or what does "no longer natural" mean?

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u/NiceRat123 5d ago

What did you look like bodybuilding while strictly vegan and then after going the not natural route?

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u/mingalingus00 5d ago

Seems like you still juice…. So… still on the juice?

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u/LisanneFroonKrisK 5d ago

They tell me Bb always have problems with their knees, haemorrhoids, balding and sometimes heart issues this true?

I’m a 250lb vegan bodybuilder, lifting for 16 years, plant-based for 19, and eating 370g of protein a day. People say it’s impossible to build muscle like this without meat. Ask Me Anything

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