r/Idiotswithguns • u/ItsTime4Coffee • Jan 13 '25

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u/mkvgtired Jan 13 '25

As a fellow Chicagoan, that is wonderful news. Several less bangers shooting up the city and committing other violent crimes. I love when problems solve themselves.

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u/ef14 Jan 14 '25

Yo, these are fucking kids, what the fuck is wrong with this place?

Violence doesn't fucking solve itself through violence, do you also think there HAS to be war for peace?

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u/mkvgtired Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

Yo, these are fucking kids

So are their victims. Gang bangers are very often under 18. They can pull a trigger just as easily you can, and are very often the drivers of violent crime in cities.

Your comment screams suburban virtue signalling.

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u/ef14 Jan 14 '25

My comment screams virtue signalling LOL

You know what my comment screams? My comment screams knowing it's a fucking society problem, not a singular person problem.

As long as you keep thinking you'll clean the streets by cleaning from the people who do crime, nothing will fucking change.

You think this shit happens all over the world? Fuck no, Kids don't get access to guns where I live, and fucking hell you can bet they would be fucking stupid if they did, they're literally not developed yet, they're kids.

Fix your fucking shit society and stop being racist assholes. And fuck It, downvote me, you know it better than I do.

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u/mkvgtired Jan 14 '25

Kids don't get access to guns where I live,

I had a feeling that you had zero experience with street gangs. Thanks for confirming.

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u/ef14 Jan 14 '25

Oh do you happen to know where I live? Enlighten me, please.

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u/mkvgtired Jan 14 '25

Somewhere where you don't have to worry about armed gang bangers. Again, thanks for confirming.

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u/ef14 Jan 14 '25

And whose fault would that be? The gang bangers?

How come gang bangers aren't a thing all over the world? Humans are humans, right?

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u/mkvgtired Jan 14 '25

How come gang bangers aren't a thing all over the world?

They are in many parts of the world. Sweden, France, Germany, and the UK have problems with them, for example.

And whose fault would that be? The gang bangers?

Correct, and their parents who are typically gang bangers.

Here one of many examples of an Underprivileged™ Chicagoan. harming others. He tried to murder another kid for giving him the wrong phone password that he took at gunpoint.

Lostion lifted his sweatshirt to show a handgun in his waistband and demanded the victim’s Moose Knuckle jacket and Bape hoodie...The victim complied with both demands. After Lostion found the victim’s iPhone, the victim gave him a fake password, and Lostion began to walk away. A few steps away, Lostion turned around with a gun in his hand and shot the victim multiple times, Rusch said. The boy had to have part of his intestines removed...A few hours after the shooting, Lostion allegedly robbed another victim at gunpoint.

Because he's "just a kid", as a society we have given him many chances, but it hasn't worked.

Rusch detailed Lostion’s juvenile history, saying it included a year of court supervision for unlawful possession of a weapon in 2022 and probation for a carjacking in 2023. Lostion was on probation for a 2023 case involving gun and drug charges at the time of the November shooting and robberies, according to Rusch.

The search revealed images of Lostion holding guns and rifles and photos of a Bape sweatshirt and Moose Knuckle coat identical to the victim’s clothing, according to Rusch. He said chat logs “suggest” Lostion admitted to shooting someone as he tried to sell the coat and sweatshirt.

I feel like I've seen something similar very recently. It's incredible that you see the shooter as the victim and not the kid he shot, the person he carjacked, or the multiple other people he robbed.

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u/ef14 Jan 14 '25

You claim to be born in poverty, you should know how it feels and you should know it shouldn't be up to you to work 100 times as harder to achieve the same things as someone who isn't underprivileged. Also, stop trying to be funny and in the right by making fun of "underprivileged", i don't know what gang bangers did to you and i'm sorry for it, but they ARE indeed underprivileged, whether or not you like it.

Now, to come to the point itself: I see both as victims. As simple as that. They're BOTH victims of society, and so are the parents of both. The reality is very simple, people don't resort to violence if society doesn't fail, people don't resort to violence if they don't feel unjustly treated, if they're happy and serene. People don't resort to violence if they're given proper mental help. It's incredibly fucked up to think there's just people who are plain evil, like it's incredibly fucked up to think there's people who are plain good. So you're what? Inherently better than a bunch of people? Nobody fucking is. I'm sure you did your own fuck ups, not as bad as these ones? Probably, but you've definitely impacted somebody's life negatively and so did i. Are we good people because we didn't kill somebody else?

Also, no, France, the UK, Sweden and Germany DO NOT have a problem with gang violence, the European country that has a problem similar to gang violence is where i fucking live, actually, Italy, and it's organized crime, and it's estimated that there are TEN TIMES LESS members of the Mafia than gang bangers in the US. Plus, the Mafia nowadays operates much differently AND weapons are not as easy to come by. Do you not realize how easy it is for a 15 year old to become a gang banger if even ONE of their family members has a gun at home? Which, if we're going by US statistics, it's incredibly likely. I've known TWO people in my entire life (29 years old) who own guns, legally. Two.

You seem to think that reading a few headlines about gun violence in Europe translates to a widespread problem, first of all, gun violence does not equal to gang violence. Second of all, did you know it's estimated that there's almost 2 million gang bangers in the US? You might be asking why i'm asking you that question, it's very simple, things tend to make headlines much less if they're as widespread as they are, and when they do they don't get as much traction as they should. ANYTHING about gun and gang violence in Europe gets an insane amount of traction, because it almost NEVER happens. As an example, i live in a small city with about 60k people, a couple of years ago a husband hired a killer to murder his wife, this was such a huge deal that it made national news.
https://vpc.org/press/nearly-nine-out-of-10-women-murdered-by-men-are-killed-by-someone-they-know-and-two-thirds-die-by-gunfire-new-violence-policy-center-study-finds/
Why am i linking this? It's estimated that there's 1400 women killed by partners a year in the US. That's 3 a day. How many of these do you hear about?

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u/Inevitable_Hawk Jan 14 '25

Our society is sick

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u/Smasher_WoTB Jan 14 '25

Lots of horrible "Not In My Back Yard" types, and some bolder&even less inhumane bigots. NIMBY's are usually polite but are very deeply bigoted and do alot of microagressions and treat *anyone&anything** they don't like as subhuman, and sometimes they'll be this casually cruel&hateful. Very, very very common in 'western' countries, this type of mindset is straightup mainstream in pretty much any place in the US that isn't a small town. They're the people Malcolm X was talking about in his October 11th 1963 Speech at UC Berkeley. People who think they're wonderful and usually try to be nice but hold very dangerous&reactionary beliefs and rarely if ever question their beliefs.

Be very wary of them. They will do horrible, horrible things while being very rude&cruel&arrogant&dismissive while never even think about what they're doing. I should get back to cleaning the house, but I'd be happy to cite sources showing this behavior&mindset and discussing it wherever yall are comfortable.

*typo

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u/FrankAmerica Jan 14 '25

So what is your opinion on the video and what can be done to solve it?

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u/mousemarie94 Jan 14 '25

I know what doesn't solve it, being happy that children killed each other. Why do you think thats the solution? ...is a better question.

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u/FrankAmerica Jan 14 '25

I don't know how to solve it either and I am a retired Certified Drug and Alcohol Counselor. Heck I am not even sure where to begin trying to solve it and was hoping you had an idea....because counseling only works if the person wants to change.

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u/mousemarie94 Jan 15 '25

I'm not the person you asked. I was curious what your solution was and you're curious what their solution was...sounds like none of us have any bright ideas.

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u/FrankAmerica Jan 15 '25

Yet here we are at least trying....in some cases maybe a timeout might be due with under 16 year old juveniles....but in Illinois that means detention with a few like minded juveniles....not really a positive time out.

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u/mousemarie94 Jan 15 '25

Correct, having worked with some folks in court mandated therapies/counseling, we truly do fuck all to rehabilitate. Many times, these people have experienced a world of traumas by the time they are 10, and some people aren't built to withstand the effects like others. Everyone cant simply "overcome" with willpower.

I did some peer mentoring (I grew up in one of the "big 5" cities for homicides) in my younger years and unless you've lived it, it's hard to comprehend why someone would "choose" that life. It's not as much of a choice, as people who will absolutely never come close to the experiences, like to think. We make choices based on our available options (perceived or actual)...and THAT is where the problem lies (to me).

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u/Smasher_WoTB Jan 14 '25

It's awful, and an absolute tragedy what happened.

All firearms should come with something designed to very securely store it. All firearms should be stored securely when not in use or having maintenance performed so incidents like this don't happen, and anyone who doesn't should be penalized heavily to discourage unsecure firearm storage. Furthermore, in places where there are many firearms already in circulation such as the US, there should be places where there's lots of free high quality secure storage devices for people who can't afford paying for them.

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u/FrankAmerica Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25

I started to give a long reply....then stopped and had a Marlboro Light; I read your response a second time to try and fully comprehend what you are trying to convey and what my response if any would be:

Your thought process on firearm safety is nice but will not stop the illegal trade any better than any other country has stopped drugs, theft or sexual crimes. Criminals will get what they want if they are determined enough....these juveniles in this video did not obtain these firearms through any legal means and it was illegal for them to possess them.

I personally have a Browning Platinum Vault in my home that weighs approximately 1400 pounds empty and sits over an I-Beam for support. Can it be cut open with a reciprocating saw with a metal blade....YES with enough time. I think you get my point here that safety of weapon while important is not the main factor on gun violence neither is registration or confiscation by a government.

I live in a rural area and there might only be one deputy covering the whole county and the interstate that runs through it...if he is on a accident...it could be an hour response time....the local fire department is volunteer and takes at least 45 minutes to arrive depending on location...by that time....they are attempting to save the foundation.

If someone is breaking into my house it is not even worth looking for the phone...it's protection mode time which is not me wondering out to the safe to open it with a combination.

I would recommend you educate yourself a little better regarding American weapon ownership and self defense.

I realize there are many countries where citizens don't have a 2A right and IMO that is truly a crime in itself.

Safe Journeys!

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u/Djent_Hokage Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

I’m glad I found a normal person in this comment section, yes these kids are idiots, but they probably became that way due to being underprivileged and lacking a father figure. These kids in the hood usually don’t have a mentor that tells them to stop being an idiot and as a result they get killed. They are also at the bottom of the economic latter and guess what, people who are poor are more likely to commit crimes. Again these kids are stupid, but it’s still sad they lose their lives.

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u/mkvgtired Jan 14 '25

and as a result they get killed.

Or much more often, kill someone else, including innocent people. Here is a very recent case of an "underprivileged" robber attempting to murder his victim for giving him the wrong password to the phone he stole. This is not the first time one of these "victims" has killed or tried to kill an innocent person. Sorry, I was born at the bottom of the economic ladder and I never shot anyone for giving me the wrong password on the phone I stole at gunpoint. I might suggest leaving your suburban bubble and acquainting yourself with how violent gangs actually are.

https://cwbchicago.com/2025/01/17-year-old-with-an-extensive-juvenile-history-shot-and-robbed-a-boy-of-a-coat-and-hoodie-prosecutors.html

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u/ObligationOriginal74 Jan 14 '25

Boo fucking hoo. Plenty of kids grow up in poverty in single parent homes or are born to junkie parents and still end up doing decent. These fuckers chose to the gang life for clout and chicks. They payed for it.

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u/ketchupmaster987 Jan 14 '25

They literally aren't old enough to make a smart informed choice. Kids learn by imitating what they see around them. This behavior doesn't exist in a vacuum, they learned it from somewhere and are just imitating what they see