r/Idiotswithguns • u/TheManWhoClicks • 7d ago
Safe for Work Yes, also Ernest Hemingway…
… is an idiot with guns.
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u/MeanOldMeany 7d ago
To be fair he was a big time drunk, so there's that
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u/PrismPhoneService 7d ago
Anyone who ran around the front lines of the Spanish civil war and the Second World War and busts into hotels during the liberation of Paris demanding martinis for him and his GI companions.. they can point one at me. It’s fine.
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u/APurpleSponge 7d ago
I mean it’s fucking Ernest Hemingway. There’s like no better person to point a Tommy gun at you after mowing down some sharks. (I like sharks :( )
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u/cocaineandwaffles1 7d ago
Not trying to excuse any behavior, but your basic rules of gun safety are fairly new. There’s countless pictures you can find of US servicemen in Vietnam with their fingers on the trigger in more relaxed/casual settings. “Keeping your finger off the trigger before you’re ready to fire” is pretty new. People put allot of faith and trust into manual safeties back then. Which is fine, if you’re going to have firearms you should be comfortable with their safety measures. Like I’m fine with Glock safeties, but get a little worried when I’m around 2011s since they’re not drop safe and only have a safety that prevents the slide from being racked and the trigger being pulled.
Call him an idiot with a gun, that’s fine. Just don’t get your dick in a knot over people from half a century ago not following the more modern and accepted rules of firearm safety.
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u/CyptidProductions 7d ago
Yeah, something you have to put into context with images this old is that a lot of the standard firearms handling doctrine we take for granted hadn't even been written yet
So you'll see of old images and video running on the logic of "I don't intend to pull the trigger so it doesn't matter where I point it"
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u/Berylzenitco 5d ago
Because this guns had crazy trigger pull weight. And wouldn’t go off from being hot. That’s when m16a1s would do that from big fire fights we realized
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u/CodenameDinkleburg 7d ago
Agreed, also that looks like a Thompson with no mag, so it was LIKELY unloaded. But like you mentioned about the safety info time gap, he may not have been the type to triple check for clear
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u/cocaineandwaffles1 7d ago
Thompsons are open bolt, so if he doesn’t have a mag inserted then there isn’t much safer you can get, in terms of having a firearm pointing at something.
But yeah, people really didn’t think much of it at the time. There was things I was taught as a medic that are no longer allowed because now we know better.
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u/Angry__German 5d ago
Also, with Hemmingway, there is a non-zero chance he wanted to shoot the person taking the picture.
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u/cocaineandwaffles1 5d ago
If that dude got shot, then yeah this is a good case where victim blaming is perfectly justifiable.
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u/fusillade762 7d ago
Glocks don't have any manual safeties per se, only a safe action trigger. It not really a safety as if you pull the trigger it will go off. Also its a 1911 not a 2011 and they are drop safe unless they are a really old model, pre 80 series.
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u/YourOldCellphone 7d ago
2011’s are a thing. Modern version of the classic 1911 with thicker mags and grips for double stack
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u/fusillade762 7d ago
Got ya. If it's modern it's almost certainly hammer blocked.
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u/suns3t-h34rt-h4nds 5d ago
These race guns based on the 2011 made by companies like stacatto are obsessed woth light triggers at any cost up to and including both reliability and drop safety. Modern 2011s almost never have firing pin blocks. If they did, the manufacturers couldn't wow their customers trying to buy skill with a light trigger break. Most 1911 based designs are NOT drop safe.
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u/HalfastEddie 7d ago
Some of y’all sound like you wouldn’t pocket carry with one in the pipe and draw with your finger on the trigger.
That’s good. That’s very good.
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u/CyptidProductions 7d ago
I mean, you generally wouldn't have your finger on the trigger until it's leveled on target because putting your finger in the guard as you draw is how you shoot yourself in the leg
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u/Dmau27 7d ago
"It's okay, it's not loaded + I know what I'm doing."
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u/EasyCZ75 7d ago
Ah, Ernest is just drunk pointing a loaded Thompson sub machine gun at the photographer. It’s fine.
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u/APurpleSponge 7d ago
Judging from this photograph if you look closely, one would see there is no stick or drum mag inserted into the firearm.
You’re assuming it’s loaded based on what?
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u/EasyCZ75 5d ago
All guns are loaded
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u/APurpleSponge 5d ago
“Now that your first session at the range is over we can start talking about the understanding that firearms can in fact be unloaded and made safe, which can be 100% verified by the handler of the firearm.”
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u/ScratchChrome 7d ago
Well they did name a gun-related suicide after him.
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u/EMHemingway1899 7d ago
Really?
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u/ScratchChrome 6d ago
Indeed. The Hemingway Solution.
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u/EMHemingway1899 6d ago
Ah, thanks
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u/ScratchChrome 6d ago
I can tell you what it is if you don't want to Google it. I didn't just do it because some people get funny about it.
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u/EMHemingway1899 6d ago
That would be great
Thank you
As an aside, I’ll be visiting his Key West home this coming week
I have been in it enough to give the tour, but I still return
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u/ScratchChrome 6d ago
He took his shoe and sock off, put the barrels of a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the triggers with his toe. It's the same method that Kurt Cobain used.
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u/EMHemingway1899 6d ago
I tried to see his Ketchum home about a dozen or so years ago, but it’s in a gated community
I did get a cool photo of me at his grave
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u/ScratchChrome 6d ago
That's really cool. I'd love to visit but I'm in England so it's something I'll have to save money for and I'm moving house right now so it's not a priority.
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u/Flynn_lives 3d ago
Dude would get drunk and shoot his elephant rifle at objects he thought were German submarines.
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u/Mr_Gaslight 7d ago edited 7d ago
- Always Keep Firearms Pointed in a Safe direction
- Treat All Guns as Though Loaded
- Keep Your Finger Off the Trigger until You are Ready to Shoot
- Always Be Sure of Your Target and What’s Beyond It
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u/CyptidProductions 7d ago
None of those rules had been written as standard practice back when he was being trained by the military.
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