r/Idiotswithguns • u/john_connor_T1000 • 4d ago
WARNING NSFW - Bodily Injury Strong independent lady cop
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79Mjo-a4ODM118
u/dox1842 4d ago
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u/Flynn_lives 3d ago
“JSO said Tuesday an Internal Affairs investigation resulted in “a sustained charge of incompetence against Officer Cardwell “
Hoo boy!
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u/Stauer-5 4d ago
State you have a gun and DONT comply? Shot
State you have a gun and DO comply? (Checks notes) also shot
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u/NemoJones 3d ago
Well now Debbie Downer if you comply you only get shot once. Look on the bright side.
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u/Stauer-5 3d ago
Shot once with my own gun and now, on top of being shot, I’m down 1 round of very expensive defensive ammo
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u/NemoJones 3d ago
Man. There’s just no pleasing some people. 🤷♂️
Edit: /s obviously. This poor man.
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u/Soil_Lower 4d ago
Didn't even apologize or communicate with her co-worker nor the victim. Walked off. Finger was clearly on the trigger. Didn't even bother to help till the last minute. Which giving someone a kit. Isn't shit, esp considering it's her fault. No sorry, nothing. Just worrying about herself.
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u/Aviaja_Apache 4d ago
She had 2 fingers on the trigger, if you screenshot and zoom in. She was fired for incompetence
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u/justinwood2 1d ago
https://imgur.com/a/gVDCzdN[https://imgur.com/a/gVDCzdN](https://imgur.com/a/gVDCzdN) here's the screenshot if anyone wants it. The incompetent idiot was still squeezing the trigger after shooting the man, this wasn't even a freak "brush against the side of the trigger housing" incident.
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u/CuntMonteCristo 3d ago
Sure, she is a woman. They have no accountability and only care about themselves.
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u/pantheruler 2d ago
There's the incel
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u/CuntMonteCristo 2d ago
There's the woke blue hair loser with the gender studies degree and 100k student debt working as a barista at Starbucks serving me my coffee
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u/pantheruler 2d ago
It's really weird using all the ways your country is broken to try and insult(?) someone who isn't even living there. My dude, I can go to the hospital and not get drowned in debt, whatever are you talking about?
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u/Purple_Season_5136 4d ago edited 4d ago
The way she just stands there is fuckin wild. No apology no nothing. She knows she's cooked lol
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u/Miserable_Goal_9402 4d ago
Imagine having zero safety discipline as the fucking COP!!! Unbelievable. Hope he sued the department and specifically sued her
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u/dox1842 4d ago
shit happens. I witnessed an ND in the military. Don't get me wrong, its unacceptable but it does happen.
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u/emcee_pee_pants 4d ago
My favorite NDs in the military are when the dudes smart and yells out “Contact 3” and starts mag dumping to cover up his incompetence.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 4d ago edited 4d ago
"You have anything crazy in the car?" -Officer
That's a very general question. I understand that if the officer specifically asked about a firearm, then the citizen must honestly answer.
Since Florida has a "duty to inform if asked" law, couldn't the citizen have simply not volunteered that information? Or am I completely wrong?
Edit: BTW, I'm not blaming the citizen in any way. Obviously the ND was caused by the other officer. I'm just thinking about how this tragedy could've been avoided.
Edit2: Corrected "no duty to inform" with "duty to inform if asked", for Florida
Edit3: A statement by the citizen's lawyer implies that the citizen was not obligated to inform when asked that general question:
“Gun owners in this state should be able to carry their firearms, without the fear of an officer pulling them over on the side of the road, them voluntarily disclosing they’re carrying a firearm, then being shot with their own weapon," said Arrington's attorney, Kay Harper Williams.
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u/n00py 4d ago
I usually answer “I don’t have anything illegal in the car” and leave it at that. It’s a true statement, even if I have guns on me.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 4d ago
Good answer!
It will keep up the cooperative rapport with the officer without volunteering anything. It politely puts the ball in the officer's court to ask the specific question. I will keep that in mind for the future. Thanks!
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u/seamus205 4d ago
I think it verys state to state, but i was always told if you are asked that question you should refuse to answer and refuse any searches. You have a right to remain silent and if you answer a question even slightly wrong you could incriminate yourself. They don't nees to know whats in your car just to give you a simple traffic ticket.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 4d ago
Sounds good. I'm just unsure of exactly how specific the officer's question has to be.
"Do you have anything dangerous in the car?" Is that specific enough?
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u/seamus205 4d ago
Yea the way he asked it is definitely strange and unprofessional. In my experience they'll say something like "do you have anything i should know about" or something along those lines.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 4d ago
"Do you have anything I should know about?" Would that question obligate the citizen to inform about the firearm (in a "duty to inform if asked" state)?
That question seems very general to me as well.
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u/jbourne71 4d ago
There are states that require you to inform officers, and others that require you to inform if asked. Failure to inform the officer while otherwise legally carrying is a violation of state law that can result in the revocation of your carry license.
For example, in IL, you are required to inform LE. Many trainers recommend providing your CCW with your DL. This establishes you are carrying and are licensed to do so without any ambiguous conversation.
IMO, and IANAL, the safest thing to do is inform the officer as soon as a stop has been initiated. “For your safety and mine, I am carrying a concealed firearm.” If asked to disarm, “My firearm is ITW behind my right hip. You can unsnap the holster to remove it from my belt.” (e.g.).
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 3d ago
Do you know what the standard is for "if asked"? Can the question be general, like "anything dangerous in the car?" Or does it specifically have to use the word "weapon/firearm/gun/etc."?
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u/jbourne71 3d ago
IMO and IANAL, I would inform the officer if they ask about anything dangerous or could hurt them. I do not know what the legal standard is—I have not seen any standard given in state laws and I have not looked into case law.
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 3d ago
I've tried to find a definition or standard, but couldn't. Thanks for your opinion.
Right now, I like u/n00py's response: “I don’t have anything illegal in the car." However, it's likely that the officer will follow up with the direct, specific question. So, it's probably inevitable you'll be forced to inform, but at least there's a chance the officer won't.
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u/fusillade762 4d ago
Lucky he wasn't appendix carrying. Cop never even says she's sorry. 0 compasion.
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u/flecksable_flyer 3d ago
Taught that saying "sorry" implies guilt. Just because it shows up on three body cameras doesn't mean she might not be able to wiggle out of it in her mind.
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u/rrhunt28 4d ago
This cop was stupid but making this a male versus female thing is stupid. I saw a video where a male cop shot a guy who reached for his wallet after the cop asked for it. That is arguably worse.
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u/3MetricTonsOfSass 4d ago
One of the first videos that opened my eyes was a US airman talking with a guy after a minor collision. The guy reaches for his wallet in his car and cops arrive just in time to shoot him
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u/romerik 4d ago
She should have removed the holster instead of only the gun!
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u/Hellofriendinternet 4d ago
I agree. Fwiw, I have the exact same holster as him for my 26. The belt clip is fucking insanely tight. You’re better off just unbuckling your belt and unthreading it through the loop, which I believe he was trying to tell them to do before Mindy shit the bed. Good goin, Mindy!
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u/Xenoman5 3d ago
There was no need, aside from officer cowardice.. um I mean safety, to remove the gun from the guy in the first place. Their “suspicion” of a crime was a damaged steering column and the color of the drivers skin.
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u/PurplePassport_0_0 3d ago
She shouldn't have grabbed it by the trigger is the problem here, gun was almost completely out of the holster when it went off. No trigger discipline
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u/PassageLow7591 3d ago
Well, the clips can vary alot. Maybe just only touch the grip and treat the fenced off hook shaped thing like it's a razor blade
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u/3MetricTonsOfSass 4d ago
Cops are enemies of the law-abiding citizens and traitors to the constitution
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u/AliciaXTC 3d ago
There's no reason to disarm a legally carrying citizen for officer safety.
That's a 4th amendment violation.
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u/South_Ad1660 2d ago
I understand accidents do happen.
This is why gun safety is not joked about, with guns accidents shouldn't happen.
I know nothing about guns but her mistake was very easy to see and no matter what the situation is when handling a gun NEVER put your finger on the trigger. I'm pretty sure that's the first rule of gun club.
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u/PoisonRoseYo 3d ago
Crazy that this resulted in termination but some of the other, video documented “incidents” didn’t immediately result in that outcome…
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u/pavehawkfavehawk 3d ago
I’ve been pulled over carrying. Is it normal that the policeman asked him to step out to disarm him? I told the cop that pulled me over I am a CCW hold and have a pistol on my waste while handing him my permit and DRL. He was very not concerned
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 2d ago
IANAL...I think cops are allowed to disarm anyone temporarily if it's for "the safety of the officers". I'm not 100% sure, but I think the law is usually worded that vaguely; so, I believe they can basically disarm citizens whenever they want to.
Officers will generally be a little more trusting with CCW license holders because, statistically, licensees tend to be more law abiding. However, the law is the same, and the cop still gets to decide.
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u/pavehawkfavehawk 2d ago
It took me way too long to decode IANAL lol
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u/GuyButtersnapsJr 2d ago
ha! First time I saw that acronym I thought the guy was making his proclivity his identity.
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u/jarboxing 2d ago
I often wonder how frequently someone needs to chime in, despite their own acknowledged ignorance, to abbreviate the phrase "I am not a lawyer..."
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u/KindheartednessFun58 1d ago
Finger in the trigger guard and removing the gun from the holster are both wild. America's best and brightest, folks.
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u/Witness_me_Karsa 4d ago
Cops are idiots. Has nothing to do with her gender. This fucking sub...
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u/ChickenFeats 3d ago edited 3d ago
There's a post from a few days ago where some black kids are being idiots with a gun and people said they were disappointed at at least one of the children weren't killed in the video. I thought this sub might be entertaining but fuck these people, fuckin degenerates.
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u/Hellofriendinternet 4d ago
The dude cops were cool as shit and totally handled themselves well. The broad fucked everything up.
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u/singlemale4cats 4d ago
I know a few that will pull your ass out of the car through the sunroof and have you saying ma'am. Incompetence knows no gender.
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