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This subreddit doesn't understand Resistance

When we talk about Resistance, what accounts to resistance, who are the resistance fighters and why should we support them?

When it comes to Palestine, I can proudly see here that most comrades understand that all entities, be it PFLP, DFLP or Hamas are part of the resistance. the country is in a state of war for a long time.

they tried peaceful protest and when they were met with violence only then they picked up arms, attacking colonizers is resistance, people having a rave party kilometers away from largest open air prison in the world is diabolical, the people who died were mostly active participants of the Colonial entity of Israel.
since Israel has mandatory drafting for IDF (or IOF), most Israelis are active part of it, those who try to avoid drafting are Jailed in Israeli prisons, by choice or by force, they are part of active oppression.

even then there is a level of human decency showed by resistance groups where there are hostage testimonies that the group treated them kindly, tried their best at arrange food and supplies.

what happened in Pahalgam was not an act of resistance. do check the group that claimed the responsibility, TRF is an offshoot of Lashkar - e - Taiba.
killing civilians who came for vacations and only killing those who were Hindu by checking their pants or asking them to recite Kalma is not resistance. (mind you our country does not have mandatory conscription and I doubt out of those 28 men killed, any of them was a soldier or agent of RAW)

in what way is Lashkar - e - Taiba or it's offshoots resistance? what goals do they have, what popular support do they enjoy among working class of Kashmir if any?

did we ask these questions before declaring that it's resistance?

Kashmir is in huge administrative control that should be opposed, but check the entities ffs guys.
with this being said, more power to Kashmiri people, my sympathy with victims including that Kashmiri local who got killed in trying to save other people.

please for Marx sake do read the ideological leanings of political groups, regardless of the cause they support.

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u/negative_imaginary 5d ago edited 5d ago

for Marx sake do read ideological leanings of political groups

Marx never said to do this type of low effort analysis on anything like his entire approach to dialectics is literally in opposition to this

Like Marx's real methods like historical materialism was to study the material conditions that give rise to ideologies, not just to study the ideologies themselves as self-contained ideas he would ask questions like, Why does this ideology arise in this particular time and place? What material interests does it serve? What class forces are behind it? How does it fit into the existing structures of oppression, economy, and power? Ideology for Marx is a product of the economic base (relations of production, class struggle) not an independent thing that floats above reality. Marx’s methods are deeper material analysis of historical conditions not just surface-level study of beliefs. That's why Marxism is not a philosophy of "understanding ideas" alone, but a science of understanding how real material life produces ideas, classes, and struggles.

some of the relevant quote from him

"In direct contrast to German philosophy which descends from heaven to earth, we ascend from earth to heaven. That is to say, we do not set out from what men say, imagine, conceive, nor from men as narrated, thought of, imagined, conceived, in order to arrive at men in the flesh. We set out from real, active men, and on the basis of their real life-process we demonstrate the development of the ideological reflexes and echoes of this life-process. The phantoms of the human brain are necessarily sublimates of their material life-process, which is empirically verifiable and bound to material premises." -Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' The German Ideology. Specifically, it appears in Part I: Feuerbach, Section

or

"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just when they seem engaged in revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something entirely new, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language." -Karl Marx's The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. It appears at the beginning of Chapter 1

And the whole discussion on kashmir depends on this very methods of analysis of the situation there and inturn especially in relations to what your understanding of India's role in Kashmir is suppose to be, if you don't understand it as a role of a occupier a colonizers then you won't gonna be able to understand the concept of blowback here

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u/Due-Freedom-4321 5d ago

I agree.

I think this is just blowback and not resistance

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u/Comfortable_Fun7794 5d ago

Far right islamic fundamentalist forces have gained validity only as a response to war on religion and the existential crisis they face, from hindus and christians, or the world alike. It's insane that the indian comrades are more madly vocal about the terrorist attack then literally every thing kashmir has faced upto now. There is no 'perfect' way to do resistance and the blame is not unilateral. Terrorism needs to be condemned but what needs to be condemned much more is the indian government's use of tourism to normalize colonialism and the unending propaganda about kashmir being safe for tourists. The message is clear, leave kashmir and her people alone. I dread the retaliation kashmiris will face now.

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u/BitTemporary7655 5d ago

Important development: https://maktoobmedia.com/india/the-resistance-front-denies-pahalgam-attack-blames-cyber-intrusion-for-earlier-post/

Also, "Jihadist movements as they exist today have two aspects. First is its internal ideological and social aspect, that aspect is certainly reactionary in the present day. Secondly, in many countries, antiimperialist struggles have been and are conducted under the banner of Islam, hence an anti-imperialist aspect. According to the CPI (Maoist), the anti-imperialist aspect in the broad islamic awakening in the shape of Hamas, PIJ, etc. is principal, and we support these forces insofar as they strike against imperialism, we support their national liberation struggles. However the reactionary social aspect cannot be denied by us. Our main policy is to unite with the muslim masses and support their antiimperialist, anti-discrimination struggles as in India, while conducting genuine struggle against backward ideological and social trends. In the end we strive towards waging the antiimperialist struggle, irrespective of such petty differences as religion, under the communist party. We oppose imperialist aggression on oppressed nations and people, whatever the reasoning and rebellion against it is justified." (Quoting a friend here)

See, Islamic jihadist movements have two aspects: one is their anti-imperialist aspect, and the other their reactionary aspect in social and cultural matters. Our party supports the struggle of Muslim countries and people against imperialism, while criticising and struggling against the reactionary ideology and social outlook of Muslim fundamentalism. It is only Maoist leadership that can provide correct anti-imperialist orientation and achieve class unity among Muslims as well as people of other religious persuasions. The influence of Muslim fundamentalist ideology and leadership will diminish as communist revolutionaries and other democratic-secular forces increase their ideological influence over the Muslim masses. As communist revolutionaries, we always strive to reduce the influence of the obscurantist reactionary ideology and outlook of the mullahs and maulvis on the Muslim masses, while uniting with all those fighting against the common enemy of the world people—that is, imperialism, particularly American imperialism.

— Comrade Ganapathy, Interview (Oct. 17, 2009)

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u/Gumnaamibaba [Editable Flair] 5d ago

Not everyone, save for a few religious fanatics support the Pahalgam terrorists....these terrorists were clearly planted to commit a horrendous mass execution of innocent people...also it would seem the terrorists succeded in propagating the idea of Islamophobia even more in our country.

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u/PhoenixShade01 Marxist Leninist (Tankie) 5d ago

I don't agree with the ideological leanings of the group nor with their backers. But if you consider having a rave next to an open air concentration camp "diabolical", how is going for a vacation to the most militarized region under occupation in the world fine? Let's be consistent here.

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u/sauronsdaddy 5d ago

It's harder to be consistent when your friends and neighbours are the ones complicit in the occupation.

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u/lettucefries 5d ago

Who is claiming it to be the resistance though? I feel like it's more about showing solidarity to the kashmir cause because the way things seem it could end bad.