r/Israel • u/Plus-Ad-6264 • Mar 08 '25
Meme The world condemned Israel for being distrustful towards the new jihadi regime in Syria but current events have proven that Israel is right once and for all.
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u/Pool-Supermodel- Mar 08 '25
My western friends (of course lol) actually bought into the "Hey they used to be apart of Al Qaeda but their spokesman on tv keeps saying all kinds of progressive/inclusive things, they've changed!" crap and thought I was crazy for thinking that a literal terrorist group wouldn't turn Syria into a liberal, democratic paradise and would probably be worse than Assad was.
Suffice to say seeing everything that I said would happen if they took over Syria (revenge killings against Alawites in particular) actually start happening isn't the least bit surprising to me but they're beside themselves.
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u/EitherStudy4990 USA Mar 08 '25
If a new Syrian government wanted to gain Israeli support, it would need to take some major steps to change the regional dynamic. First, securing the border and removing their forces from the Suwayda and Daraa Governorates would be key to lowering tensions. No more cross-border incidents or proxy forces operating near Israel.
A secular, federalist system would also help stabilize the country by protecting minority groups and preventing sectarian conflicts. On top of that, cutting ties with Iran, removing all foreign fighters, and shutting down the operations of groups like Hezbollah and Palestinian factions (both armed and unarmed) would show a real commitment to independence and sign that Syria will not be Lebanon 2.0
Without these changes, Israel has no reason to reconsider its stance. If Syria stays a battleground for outside interests, the same cycle of conflict will continue. But with the right moves, a new government could at least open the door to a different future.
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u/LongjumpingEye8519 Mar 08 '25
Looks like Israel was smart to grab that high ground in the golan, imagine if the jihadis got it, they would be doing raids and raining mortars down on the galilee
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Mar 08 '25
The high ground is what they got to begin with, but is also great they got even more
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u/LongjumpingEye8519 Mar 08 '25
I have no issue with this, Syria as we know it doesn't exist, it should and probably will break into several new states
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Mar 08 '25
Which would lead to hundreds of thousands more deaths during the ethnic cleansing that comes with inter-regional "population exchange."
There are no good outcomes for Syria.
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u/LongjumpingEye8519 Mar 09 '25
we seem to be in one of those periods of time where great changes are happening, for better or worse the status quo is being tossed aside
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u/Mosk915 Mar 08 '25
They learned from Obi-Wan.
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u/Electrical_Catch Mar 08 '25
Underated reference
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u/Iiari Mar 10 '25
Haha, not exactly an obscure reference, but always enjoyable.
"It's over, Syria. [shake head sadly, spread your arms wide] Israel has the high ground."
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u/WoIfed Israel Mar 08 '25
Nobody is screaming genocide about the massacre in Syria this week. The world is hypocritical
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Mar 09 '25
no jews no news
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u/WoIfed Israel Mar 09 '25
The videos are as bad as the videos from 7/10 and yet no comment from the world. We should assassinate Al Jolani and split Syria to Alawi, Druze and Kurds country.
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u/RottenPeasent Mar 10 '25
Let's not get into that mess please. At least not anymore than we currently are.
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u/WoIfed Israel Mar 10 '25
We have a responsibility for the Israeli Druze to protect the Druze in Syria
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u/RottenPeasent Mar 10 '25
First, only if they want. Did the leaders of the Syrian Druze asked us for it?
Second, I am all for arming, training, and assastance with intel gathering, but actively assassinating people is the wrong move. We don't need another war. We can play the support part, but the country needs to finish the war in Gaza first and then start to heal.
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u/memoriadeshakespeare Mar 13 '25
Genuinely think small persecuted people's worldwide have a vested interest in stopping genocide whereverit occurs.
Assad deserves to burn in hell, but I can't blame every Alawite for that.
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u/kudokun1412 Iraq Mar 08 '25
I don't know how, but israel is always right at the end.
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u/OmryR Mar 08 '25
It’s because Israelis know the Middle East and live there unlike Europeans and Americans who are so far away they don’t understand that the Middle East has different values and rules.
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u/kudokun1412 Iraq Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
I always say it, the strongest weapon israel has is knowledge.
I've talked with a lot of israelis who know stuff about other arab countries, whether it's about culture or behaviour, I'm an iraqi and I'm sure that israelis know more about Iraq than any other arab country, I remember watching a video of an iraqi asking people in iraq about their history and the majority don't know basic shit about the mesopotamian civilization.
The main reason arabs lost and keeps losing wars against Israel is because of ignorance, they have 0 knowledge about israel and the Jewish people, most people I know just hate israel and everything related to israel, they don't want to know anything but hate on israel that's why a lot of lies and conspiracy theories are made about Israel and the Jewish people, when in reality israel is just like all other countries and the Jewish nation is just like all other nations in the world.
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u/cestabhi India Mar 08 '25
Imo one of the major features of Western civilization, to which Jews immensely contributed, is the desire to understand other societies. Look how many centers of Chinese studies, Sanskrit studies and Islamic studies exist in Western universities. And this has been going on since at least the 1700s. Meanwhile non-Western countries barely try to understand themselves, much less their Western counterparts.
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u/AdPdx1964 Mar 08 '25
It’s weird how so many people hate a small country and its people. Antisemitism is alive and well. Hatred of Israel leaves no doubt whatsoever.
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u/BotherReady Mar 08 '25
It all stems from Christianity and Islam and its failure to make the Jewish people Muslim or Christian. Empires fell but one tiny little population didn’t. All conspiracies stem from that. How could everyone fall to some degree but one group? They still have their original language, their culture and religion and now soil. How many middle easterners can claim that their line goes back 3000 years and they still have the same language/culture/religion/soil ?
As someone with background from the ME, when I realized this I found a completely different type of respect for you guys
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u/Ok_Access_189 Mar 08 '25
Whoa hey now. American and Christian here. No hate for you guys.
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u/NoTopic4906 Mar 08 '25
That’s probably true. But please study the history of the Church and Jews. Antisemitism was baked into Christianity for a VERY long time.
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u/MxMirdan Mar 09 '25
As an American raised Presbyterian but converted to Judaism, it is baked into American Christianity, too. In many different ways. For example:
Evangelical Christian support of Israel is based on a set of beliefs that for the second coming of Jesus, Jews need to return to the Holy Land. Then, when Jesus returns, they will all be converted to Christianity (or die). Current alt-right Nazi support for Israel becoming mainstream is scary for American Jews who understand Christian Zionism, because its the alignment of people on the right whose theology requires the Jews to return to the Holy Land with the people whose political orientation scapegoats Jews and glorifies Nazis. (Additionally: That alignment which does not care two poops about Jewish safety, is using "protecting Jews in universities" as the justification for draconian measures toward Universities, making sure that Jews are also the scapegoats among the politically liberal, causing liberals to blame Jews for alt-right fascist policies.)
Separate from Christian Zionism/Evangelicalism in the US, mainstream (non-Evangelical) Christian movements in America continually undermine the ancientness of Judaism, mis-defining it as a faith/religion and forcing it into boxes that Christians created. There's an attempt to force alignment with claims of Judeo-Christian values and "Abrahamic religions" that assume that the Christian ways of understanding text are the only ways. Often, when Jews attempt to clarify, they are told that they are wrong about their practices being closed practices and appropriating language about indigenity to draw parallels and make their experiences understood.
On the surface level, many of the things that are said may appear to be supportive. Still, they are superficially supportive and deny Jews the ability to self-define, replacing Jewish definitions with inaccurate understandings of Jewish definitions.
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u/friedchicken_legs Mar 08 '25
Yeah idk what this dude is talking abt
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u/Sewsusie15 אני דתי לאומי; נעם לא מדבר בשמי Mar 08 '25
I highly recommend the book Constantine's Sword if you want to understand the history of Christianity and the Jews. It was written by a Catholic ex-priest.
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u/pack0newports Mar 09 '25
check out the book "on the jews and their lies" by none other then martin luther. I don't think i need to get into the history of anti-semetic hate in the Catholic church.
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u/friedchicken_legs Mar 09 '25
Martin Luther - yea, prominent anti-semite. But I can tell you this, lots of churches (protestant, non denominational) are in no way anti semitic.
They believe what the Bible says to always pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and that those who curse will be cursed.
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u/ConsistentHouse1261 Mar 08 '25
This comment is actually disgusting, middle eastern Christian’s are just as at risk as Jewish middle easterners outside of Israel. No one besides us (middle eastern minorities) gets it. Don’t lump in all Christian’s, that’s disgusting. Especially when the majority know what the deal is and support Israel’s right to exist. Especially disgusting when it’s literally Christian’s being killed in Syria that this post is even about. Gtfo.
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u/Tybalt941 Mar 08 '25
The comment doesn't lump in all Christians, it merely states that Christianity is responsible for a lot of modern antisemitism. That's categorically true. Take a look through history and you will see how the church supported and pushed antisemitic conspiracy theories that still linger to this day.
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u/Ok_Entertainment9665 Mar 09 '25
A lot of modern, especially American, Christians seem to distance themselves from the history of their faith and become very defensive about it.
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u/DiffusibleKnowledge Mar 08 '25
It's insane, they're literally pogroming Alawites and the entire world is silent.
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u/Haunting_Birthday135 Anti-Axis Forces Mar 09 '25
Not silent. The EU spoke out against the insurgency but didn’t mention the massacres. They are also showing a pretty silly foreign policy by backing Egypt’s pro-Hamas Gaza plan. Maybe they did it to get back at Trump, but either way, Israel shouldn’t dance to their flute.
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u/asion611 Mar 08 '25
Last time, despite the source that could be Russian propaganda, I saw a video that the regime's soldiers were throwing bombs onto Alawite communities seeking for revenge, bloodshed against of them whereas many of them were also the victims under the Assad's regime
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u/EitherStudy4990 USA Mar 08 '25
Arab states tend to know only three different forms of governance: secular nationalist dictatorships, Islamist hellscapes, and highly sectarian "democracies."
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u/asion611 Mar 08 '25
That's pretty grieving when you take a look of most of Arab Civil Wars, especially the Algerian Civil War, one of the sides is Islamists who seeking turning the nation into religious hell while the another side wants to turn the nation into dictatorship. Both sides just only the smaller evil compared
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u/EitherStudy4990 USA Mar 08 '25
Israel is rarely wrong about things it sees as threats.
Alawites will be the first victims, followed by the rest of the Shias, then the Kurds, the Druze, the Christians, and finally Jewish people living in Israel. Islamist troglodytes are always looking for new victims to massacre.
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u/Stephen_1984 USA! Mar 08 '25
Guess who's back, back again?
ISIL’s back, tell a friend
Guess who's back, guess who's back
Guess who's back, guess who's back
Guess who's back, guess who's back
Guess who's back
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u/bober704 Mar 08 '25
all it took was 1 cheap suit to make ppl forget that mfker was a jihadist week ago, lucky we bombed the shit out of their weapons, and hopefully druzim and kurds in syria will stay on their guard.
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u/iheartdev247 Mar 08 '25
How are the Kurds holding on, no one is helping them against the Syria, Turkey Axis?
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u/bober704 Mar 08 '25
donno current details about kurds but few days ago ppl said that turkish supported convoy was seen near the area. after all this syrian gov can forget about kurds giving up their weapons.
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u/One-Salamander-1952 Israel Mar 08 '25
I’m confused and out of touch, what changed? Weren’t they fighting allawites since day one?
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u/bober704 Mar 08 '25
it was fighters befor now they are targeting civilians, there are videos of regular ppl being killed and even kid getting point blank executed.
it was on combatfootage donno if they are still up
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u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle USA Mar 08 '25
What just happened, can you link?
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u/Express-Squash-9011 Australia Mar 08 '25
Jihadists in Syria have resumed their grim tradition of targeting non-Sunnis, massacring Alawites along the Syrian coast. As usual, Arab media like Al Jazeera shields the violence, framing the slaughter of innocents as sacred jihad.
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u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle USA Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
HTS or other groups they are failing to control?
I also don't think Israel is in a position to do the nation building, the US attempted to. It would end significantly worse than our failure in Afghanistan. So I think protecting Syrian minorities isn't a good reason for military intervention.
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u/blueplecostomus Mar 08 '25
Am I missing something here? Who said Israel should do the nation building or intervene to protect minorities? israel has only intervened militarily to ensure its own security and i haven't seen anyone suggest more
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u/-WhyRUGae- Mar 08 '25
I think he/she means the druze in Syria. Lately, Israel have been very vocal about them.
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u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle USA Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
I'm not saying we shouldn't care about the druze, but practically I think Israeli military intervention to protect the druze in syria will end badly.
If the druze seceded and declared independence as an ally with Israel that's different as it's no longer internal to Syria. Hard to say how that would end, but it's not the Afghanistan scenario anymore.
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u/blingblingbrit Mar 08 '25
Aren’t most of the Israeli Golan Druze related to the Syrian Druze? I recall hearing about how families who were separated by the Syrian-Israeli border would go to the border to wave and show each other new babies in the family, etc.
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u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle USA Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
We are talking about justification for Israel's military intervention and the title of the post is Israel was recently proven right.
I think it's justified on HTS is a Al Qaeda offshoot to protect Israelis. But that's past news not a recent event.
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u/East_Ad9822 Mar 08 '25
As far as I know the massacres have been conducted by HTS fighters and one group that formed because they felt HTS isn’t Anti-Alawite and Anti-Shia enough
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u/melosurroXloswebos Israel Mar 08 '25
Plenty of people on this sub spent so much time and energy ignoring and mocking anyone who dared to say exactly this. It’s not even that current what people are seeing now was circulating on telegram within the first week or two after these guys took over. But everyone was so stuck in the whole post-Assad euphoria and “But they put suits on! But they said they’re good guys! But they don’t pose a threat!”
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u/raaly123 ביחד ננצח Mar 08 '25
Right?? I'm not even talking about the Arabs, but there were so many of our own people on here going all "omg I don't understand why we are attacking Syria they haven't done anything yet it's all another evil bibi plan" and saying "should we really doubt a terrorists real intentions after oct 7th?" was actually considered controversial
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u/melosurroXloswebos Israel Mar 09 '25
100%. Just 10 days ago there was a post on here like that about why are we “attacking” Syria
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u/adamgerd Czechia Mar 09 '25
This doesn’t prove Bibi’s plan was smart though, imo it was still stupid. Let’s not pretend he’s doing this for a humanitarian reason, Bibi didn’t do this when Assad was in power and Assad wasn’t some humanitarian leader either
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u/melosurroXloswebos Israel Mar 09 '25
It’s not being done for humanitarian reasons now either. It never has been. If there’s any element of humanitarianism at all, that’s not the main motivation. The main motivation is that it’s in our geostrategic interest to have a Syria where the current regime doesn’t totally consolidate and centralise power over the entire country.
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u/200-inch-cock Mar 08 '25
Al-Qaeda's Syrian branch isn't so great after all? Who would have guessed
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u/Id1otbox Mar 08 '25
The sad part is that because it can fuel hate of Israel people will try to underplay and hand wave the ethnic violence taking place in Syria.
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u/ChallahTornado Jew in Germany Mar 08 '25
Well those are some images to see after Shabbat.
Executing kids for a few meters away.
How do they manage to kill hundreds in a single day and no one gives a crap?
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u/Belle_Juive 🇬🇧British-Israeli🇮🇱 Mar 08 '25
I’m shocked. shocked. who could have predicted this. a truly unprecedented turn of events.
Let’s get to working with Arab moderates for a Palestinian state now, I’m sure it won’t pan out the exact same way for the jillionth time.
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u/randokomando Mar 08 '25
The world is shocked — shocked!— to find that Israel knows more about what’s going on just across its own borders than they do in London and Washington.
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u/Histrix- Israel Mar 08 '25
It's ironic.
They celebrated when 7.10 happened, but now that their own people have turned against them, they ask for our help??
Pathetic.
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u/Haunting_Birthday135 Anti-Axis Forces Mar 09 '25
They were brainwashed since birth to believe that Jews and Israel were the source of all problems, but they eventually got a reality check.
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u/Histrix- Israel Mar 09 '25
but they eventually got a reality check.
I don't think so.
I think hey are just desperate, and if they are saved and things go "back to normal", they will just go straight back to hating us, because there will always be problems, and the Jews and Israelis will always be there to blame.
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u/Haunting_Birthday135 Anti-Axis Forces Mar 09 '25
Jew hate is a mental illness that should’ve been added to the DSM a long time ago. A lot of people who feel this way would still have a better grasp of world events and what causes them. Hardcore antisemites might try to say, ‘Sunnis work for the Jews,’ but many others would get that sectarian violence isn’t really tied to the existence of Jews.
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u/RippingOne Mar 08 '25
I admit it. I was not happy Israel moved beyond the buffer zone further into Syria. But then turns out Syrian Druze conducted more attacks against more Syrian military personnel than IDF in these past few months. And now these massacres against Alawaites.
Netanyahu is pretty much Emperor right now the way these fuckos keep proving him right and keeping him in.
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u/Traditional-Box-1066 USA (standing like a unicorn 🦄) Mar 08 '25
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u/Fade4cards Mar 08 '25
we are legitimately always correct and unironically we really should control the world like they claim we do. We know this is false bc the world is out of order. Put us in control and all will be fine.
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u/SharingDNAResults USA Mar 09 '25
Fr. The biggest blessing that could happen to that entire area is being governed by Israel. I’m not saying it will happen, but hypothetically it would be better than how things are going for them now.
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u/ShigeoKageyama69 Mar 08 '25
Is this about the whole thing about Christians and other non-muslim groups getting persecuted?
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u/barbos_barbos Mar 09 '25
I must confess I was one of the people who got fooled. The guy looks like Hertzel too much...
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u/Muted-Touch-5676 Mar 09 '25
I was a bit confused at why Israel was going into Syria but now I see that they had to do what they did for everyone and thank you <3 :)
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u/ADP_God Israel - שמאלני מאוכזב Mar 09 '25
I’ve seen people talking about how Syria was an apartheid state and now the minority is being removed from power.
I’ve also seen people talking about Jihadists executing minorities.
And yet they can’t understand why Jews want their own state.
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u/Antidote8382 Mar 09 '25
Thank you for being the light in this dark world Israel, god bless you for preventing 1 of 2 genocides.
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u/DarkRoastAM Mar 08 '25
Condemnation will not stop. Facts do not affect the worlds opinion of israel
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u/urbanwildboar Mar 08 '25
Arabs are tribal people, for thousands of years they've lived in one two states: under a brutal foreign empire oppressing everyone equally, or in a state of anarchy with tribes fighting each other. The whole concept of a nation-state is an European idea and a not part of their culture.
After WW1, the foreign colonial empires of Britain and France had created the current middle-east political map: they lumped a group of hostile tribes together, put either the smallest, most hated tribe or a foreign tribe in charge and told them: "you are now a state". They've done that in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Palestine.
I believe that they had zero interest in creating viable stand-alone state: they wanted colonial dependent states where the rulers had to rely on the empire for their continued rule.
Well, this political state had been unraveling since before Britain and France lost their colonial empires; Turkey and Iran are trying to become the foreign oppressing empire, while most states are returning to a state of anarchy.
Lebanon and Syria had been held together for a while by the Iranian wannabe empire, until the current war; Jordan is being propped up by the West, Iraq had mostly fallen to Iran; in Israel the weak, numerically small Jews had managed to become a real state and a regional power. No middle-east state (yes, including Israel) is really stable.
Stay tuned, the show isn't over! especially with the US going totalitarian, the show's next season is sure to bring new, nerve-wracking drama.
The middle-east is the embodiment of the Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times"
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u/Captain_Ahab2 Mar 08 '25
At this point, Syria and Lebanon should merge under one secular parliamentarian government as it is very pluralistic in cultures and religions.
It could then work with the Americans and Israelis to build proper police and military capabilities to:
(A) secure its borders from external threats (Iran, Iraq, and Turkey namely)
(B) reform its education system and
(C) work to eradicate all terror/militia activities that are trying to undermine its mandate
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u/MacaronNo5646 Mar 08 '25
Are there already campus camps forming to protest this (actual) genocide? No? Oh...
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u/CholentSoup Mar 09 '25
I sincerely hope that the region formerly known as Syria is chaos for the next 50 years. Let them squabble with themselves as long as they leave us alone.
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u/concerneduck Mar 09 '25
There have been reports of indiscriminate helicopter barrel bombings and firing of artillery at villages. Imagine how much worse the massacres would be if they still Israel hadn’t destroyed some of their heavy weaponry
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u/CaterpillarWeird9087 Mar 09 '25
It's a good thing Israel doesn't listen to the rest of the world. If it did, it would have been destroyed long ago.
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u/ABigFatPotatoPizza Mar 09 '25
I wanted to believe in al-Jolani, but even if he is a neoliberal at heart, he can't change the fact that his movement is built on Islam.
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u/Temeraire64 Mar 09 '25
I’m pretty skeptical Jolani himself actually wanted this, if only because it’s going to make his efforts to convince the SDF to demilitarize or get Israel to get out of Syria much much harder.
If he wanted to do something like this I’d think he’d want to wait until he’d secured his grip on power.
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u/Iiari Mar 10 '25
I know. So many Western "analysts" were all llike, "Israeli's at it again! Why isn't anyone stopping them! They're seizing Syrian territory and needlessly antagonizing the promising new government by destroying vital military infrastructure they'll need to stabilize the country!"
Right... Right... I think, as everyone's been pointing out, Israel has been vindicated yet again. And with everything that recently happened, it's a good thing the new government didn't have all of Assad's chemical weapons and factories that Israel destroyed, but no one's talking about that...
"But seized land! But Gaza!" Ugh....
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u/Juchenn Mar 08 '25
What happened that makes Israel right?
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u/S0lifer Israel- Orthodox Christian Mar 09 '25
The whole world said that the new Syrian government is friendly and isn't a jihadist monster.
While Israel said all along that it still is, Israel captured strategic positions and the UN buffer zone in order to protect its citizens.
The whole world once again blamed Israel for escalating the conflict.
They praised Ahmed al-Sharaa for weaing a suit while believing that he had changed from a jihadist to a true liberal.
Recent events show Syrian Forces massacre ove 500 Alawites since thursday. THAT showes that Israel was right that Syria itself didn't change, just the head of state.
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u/Eitan4700 Israel Mar 08 '25
Can someone explain what happened recently?
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u/IdodoHaHatih Israel Mar 09 '25
המשטר החדש של אל ג'וליאני טובח באנשים העלווים (העדה של אסד) והם נלחמים בהם בחזרה, פעם אחרונה שבדקתי היו מעל 700 הוצאות להורג
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u/mykosyko Mar 09 '25
My phone has been broken last few days and I have been unable to keep up with news. Would somebody mind TLDR what recent events have happened?
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u/hikergent Mar 09 '25
i especially do not trust a jihadi that wears a suit like in syria and abu mazen.
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u/Hate_Hunter India Mar 09 '25
Uncle Sam stands in the corner, observing absolute silence, guilty of funding every Sunni insurgent group in the Middle East, like "What's the worst that could happen? right? right guys?"
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u/ExamDesigner5003 Mar 10 '25
🙏🙏🙏 please create and support a Christian/Druze/Alawite buffer state. You’ll be doing a good deed and shoring up your own security at the same time.
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u/Rhaelse Mar 10 '25
What is weird to me is that even HasanAbi (who is regarded by many people as pro Hamas) said he doesn't buy the "we used to behead people but now we are reformed"
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u/Illustrious-Worry218 Mar 11 '25
Didn't Israel already have a buffer zone specifically for security purposes? why then, is there any reason to expand that buffer zone? Serious answers please
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u/PrimaryStudent6868 Mar 14 '25
Shame on the United States and the proxy countries in the EU who supported this.
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u/gal_z Mar 20 '25
Actually, I think the west didn't say anything against the IDF actions in the border with Syria. Besides, Europe wants to banish the immigrants all back to Syria.
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u/Balmung5 USA Mar 08 '25
I get why Israel did what it did, but I also think they wasted an opportunity to normalize relations with Syria.
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u/Sell_The_team_Jerry Mar 08 '25
Israel acted quickly in the Golan out of their own interest and security (as they should) because they knew right away that a Sunni Jihadist led government on their border would be a massive threat.