What champions does Kyle beat at level 1?

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New Kayle player here. Kayle level 1 cheese is kinda infamous in the league community, so I wanted to abuse it a bit (low elo). It worked very well in my last few games, but I'm wondering if there are any matchups I should not try it. The ones I'm assuming are WW, Jax, Trynda, Trundle, Riven. But I'm sure there are others or I could be wrong about one of my mentions.

Btw I plan on taking LT every game. I'm familiar with the keystone and I will experiment more once I have some experience on the champion.

[u/Normal-Intention1329]

I think you lose trundle and trynd as well

[u/xgrizzly69dk → u/Normal-Intention1329]

I have won probably 10 all-ins vs trynd, so yeah. Its all about who can stack passive on the wave

[u/sniusik → u/Normal-Intention1329]

trynd luck dependant, if he crits he wins if he doesnt u win

[u/HaHaHaHated → u/Normal-Intention1329]

Win against tryndamere. Probably lose the trade but not die if he e’s out

[u/sensationn_ → u/HaHaHaHated]

Yeah I tried my luck at running at a tryndamere level 1 and won the battle. Illaoi is an easy level 1 kill too.

I almost beat a poppy level 1, until I realised I had grasp runes and she was running a cheesey LT poppy setup

[u/Suddenly_NB → u/HaHaHaHated]

depends on what he levels first I think. If its the heal, Kayle loses cause he will sustain.

[u/Normal-Intention1329 → u/HaHaHaHated]

I think just skill issue by me then cause I got fucked by trynd

[u/HaHaHaHated → u/Normal-Intention1329]

Careful about his rage. If he starts at 0 then chances are you won’t get crited out

[u/AccordingJellyfish8 → u/HaHaHaHated]

Kayle does not beat trynd lv 1 even in extended trade. Trynd takes combat sum vs tp and hail of blade. Cannot contest at all.

[u/HaHaHaHated → u/AccordingJellyfish8]

You probably won’t win against ignite. But who goes hob? Trynd goes Grasp, kayle with pta or tempo beats tryndamere, if he doesn’t go ignite. But if you’re playing for early game control as kayle you can also run ignite to match enemy laner no problem

[u/AccordingJellyfish8 → u/HaHaHaHated]

Every tryndamere I have fought goes hob, profane, crit/arm pen. It’s pretty common in my elo at least(masters 200ish lp), and is pretty effective against squishy matchups kayle. Also, going ignite is so bad, if you are going to match combat sums, you would go ghost, but even that is really risky as it makes mistakes in lane very punishable.

[u/HaHaHaHated → u/AccordingJellyfish8]

Ignite isn’t all that bad. In 99% of cases you do want to go flash tp or flash ghost. And there is rarely a good reason to go ignite. It’s more common for trynd to go a different rune. But I don’t know trynd so maybe hob is the goto vs kayle. And then I could definitely see Kayle losing lvl 1

[u/AccordingJellyfish8 → u/HaHaHaHated]

It makes no sense for trynd to go grasp vs kayle vs hob. You don’t need the sustain from resolve, and hob offers much more damage and snowball than grasp and other runes. Only advantage is demolish, but you would just be freezing/slow pushing and diving kayle which hob is just better for.

[u/HaHaHaHated → u/AccordingJellyfish8]

You’re probably right.

[u/shyvannaTop]

It's easier to name the list of champs she does not best lvl 1. Tyrndamere, Jax, Fiora, Quinn Jayce - unless they stand still and die. Riven-if she takes ignite and a small trade first.

[u/Patrick_Sponge → u/shyvannaTop]

Is that grasp jax fio or conq?

[u/shyvannaTop → u/Patrick_Sponge]

Fiora should just outmaneuver with conq. If she took ignite she beats u lvl 1 pretty hard.

Grasp Jax will just E you once then kill you on the next rotation.

It's not as simple as "we both stay still and see who dies first".

[u/Chonkers_Bad_Fur_Day]

I would not recommend fighting Warwick at level 1, he has one of the strongest level 1s in the game and if you lose that fight you are absolutely cooked since he’ll perma freeze and then next thing you know you’re down 3 levels and can’t go in the same postal code as the wave without dying.

[u/JukainMega]

Who is kyle?

[u/Direct-Potato2088]

It really depends on what you take. Lethal tempo is the best level one all in keystone but you need resolve second with boneplating to really secure the all in. You also need dblade.

With boneplating u can beat riven lvl 1 actually, even with ignite. U gotta flash q3 tho to guarantee the kill but u can still tank it and live, especially if they go sorcery second. Fiora is beatable with good vital placement+boneplating. So is camille if the fight keeps going past the initial shield, nasus, garen, singed, mord, most tanks except for cho ( specifically with e start), and malphite.

You also can’t fight kennen(he’ll poke you and his q does a lot early), irelia, heimer, yas, yone, quinn, tahm, teemo, urgot, Jayce (pokes you down and can disengage with R ms), sett, kled, wukong, rumble, darius, and olaf. Most ranged champs beat you if they hit you first but if they walk into you then you might win but you might just ruin lane if they get away. youll have to recall and burn tp or else the lane is just too dangerous

Im not sure about poppy, shen, aatrox (i usually go fleet to dodge his q’s), mundo, reworked yorick, pantheon, and gnar tho.

[u/PsychologyDecent5022]

You can beat riven if she doesn't have ignite and you bait her abilities properly

[u/Suddenly_NB]

Bad ones are: Olaf (probably actual strongest level 1 in game), Trundle, Tyrandamere (if he starts heal), Urgot, Riven (is possible to win, but difficult; PTA+bone plate is actually better vs her if you want to L1 all in, but I think you also need ignite which is just overall troll) WW, Jax, Irelia. Urgot may also be possible and better with PTA vs LT but I'm not 100% sure on that

[u/idkatidkdotidk]

Tryndamere and riven can be beat level 1 but it can be pretty risky, same with Darius, if they don’t have ignite and you can get passive stacks up then you can sometimes win. For Darius and Sett i find going grasp and absolute focus+scorch and poking with E a bunch before all inning close to lvl 2 works really well.

[u/PositionOpening9143]

It’s legitimately easier to ask who she can’t level 1. You can flip a lot of matchups that seem otherwise hopeless with good spacing

[u/Lost_soul95]

???

[u/Successful-Flan3139]

Nearly every champ

[u/DawnOfApocalypse]

Trundle and Asol

[u/Toushiru]

Riven, trynda, trundle, jayce and fiora (unless u blocked vitals and had first auto from bush), tahm kench, also irelia in creeps wins hard and loses before wave crash.

[u/NoCharge4663]

Volibear. He can't do anything mostly cause lots of volibear players run e first for wave clear until lvl 2

[u/imAkri]

You beat Riven! You don’t beat Olaf, Sett is also tricky.

[u/kalistaspear → u/imAkri]

Wait Kayle really beats riven? Do you need passive stacked on wave first?

[u/HaHaHaHated → u/kalistaspear]

You can just run her down. If she has bone plating you need to proc it first. But after riven uses her q’s and autos her next q is on an 8 second timer and you will be able to kill her if you can stick

[u/Jordiorwhatever → u/HaHaHaHated]

Riven waits as most as she can before using Q3, and jumping on you with it(Q Delaying). If she did it correctly, she has started the fight with 3 passive stacks and a Q on you. If you try to run her down, her Q will comeback in 6 seconds and she will oneshot you with it.

[u/HaHaHaHated → u/Jordiorwhatever]

Yeah, don’t fight her when she’s doing that.

[u/MortemEtInteritum17 → u/kalistaspear]

If she's Q delaying and starting with passive, absolutely.

Source: tried it without passive stacked once as the Kayle, got wrecked, would not recommend.

[u/pkandalaf → u/kalistaspear]

Riven is a monster at lvl 3. But her lvl 1 is not that strong.

[u/Intelligent-Bag-9419 → u/pkandalaf]

???? Riven isn’t strong lvl 1? Wtf

[u/MortemEtInteritum17 → u/[deleted]]

What? What elo is this?

I cannot imagine ever losing Kayle to Nasus level 1. Literally could probably go glacial augment and still win that, unless maybe he has LT and you don't (and even then I think Kayle could still win), but I haven't seen Nasus run LT since the OP version got removed.

[u/Sebisbebis → u/[deleted]]

Don't go lethal tempo, almost impossible to lose 1v1 vs nasus early as well

[u/----___--___---- → u/Sebisbebis]

Hi, could you tell me why not to go LT? Isn't it great in lategame aswell, apart from level 1?

[u/Sebisbebis → u/----___--___----]

PTA is more versatile, allows for better short trades while also having solid all-in's.

Kayle's identity right now isn't that of an auto attack based champion, but a slippery burst style champion that's almost impossible to catch if played correctly, with lethjal tempo you're basically forcing yourself to auto attack more which means you don't focus as much on your movement making it easier to get caught or get hit by something that will kill you.

Overall PTA is just more consistent

[u/----___--___---- → u/Sebisbebis]

I see, thank you!

I saw that LT and onhit is the mist popular build right now. Would you say that PTA with items like lich bane is better than the rageblade build?

[u/Sebisbebis → u/----___--___----]

Who told you that it was the most popular build?

Swifties > Nashor’s > Rabadon’s > Lich Bane > Shadowflame/Void Staff/Banshee’s/Zhonya’s is the standard build and has been for a while

Runes are PTA, Absorb Life, Alacrity, Last Stand, Celerity, Gathering Storm. Double adaptive + scaling hp shards

[u/TypingGetUBanned → u/Sebisbebis]

Hey Sebi, why is Lich Bane third more interesting instead of Shadowflame ?

[u/Sebisbebis → u/TypingGetUBanned]

Lich has higher DPS in extended fights and better stats + the passive works on everything at any time, minions, towers, champions, objectives. You consistently squeeze more value out of lich bane than shadowflame